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Old 23rd April 2008, 09:54 AM   #51 (permalink)
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... But only if you'd noticed him get his gun out straight away and only if the first innocent victim hadn't been you!... To do that you would have to be on your guard all the time, checking out everyone that walked into any place you were in, anytime, night and day...
I am hardy innocent, in any case the man walked into the restaurant with his .357 in his hand and shot the first two people of ethnic origin he saw. Of course I would not have known that. I'm sure I would have assumed that it was a robbery, something I would have been willing to sit quite still for.

But once he fired the weapon I would have drawn and fired. It wouldn't have been the first time I've had to do that, I was trained well and have been literally "Expert" rated with a .45 caliber handgun with either left or right hands. My 9mm S&W is much lighter and more accurate than what I used to qualify as expert.

But all that is informed speculation on my part, and a gunfight has no guarantees of success for any of the participants. I do know for sure that while I'd be willing to watch him rob, I would not be willing to watch him kill, my wife and I could be next.

And yes, it is difficult to be on constant vigil in day to mundane tasks, but I can assure you that I make every effort to do that. In restaurants I always pick a table where I can watch the door and the room. My wife by now knows that I do this from seeing me do it thousands of times.

Call me paranoid if you wish, but it's quite natural for me, even 40 years after leaving the Corps. Seeing friends die due to lapses in judgement and training will do that for you.

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Old 23rd April 2008, 10:54 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Wow check you guys out!

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Old 23rd April 2008, 02:12 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Now Australia's imprisonment rate is

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The imprisonment rate of 153 prisoners per 100,000 adult population
Source: Prison Statistics Australia

And we dont have conscription.

Maybe if the monies spend on armed forces was halved and spent on special cops instead it would be better.

But a rate like this
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3,042 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males
and not being dealt with is a system and country in denial.

Now our indigenious prison rate is way over the top too.
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With an imprisonment rate of 1,888 prisoners per 100,000 adult Indigenous population (a 5% increase
on the 2002 rate), Indigenous persons were 16 times more likely than non-Indigenous persons to be
in prison (15 times more likely in 2002). The highest Indigenous imprisonment rate of 2,744 prisoners
per 100,000 adult Indigenous population was recorded in Western Australia.
However they try not to lock them up so much anymore, they try to have their own communities and Elders policing them, many systems are trying to break the mould on this. Do realise a lot of our Aboriginals live in dedicated "alcohol free" communities. There's serious efforts made however the crux of the matter is they commit crime, but not shooting people, more like burglary, fighting and rape. If you lock them up they hang themselves leading to huge and expensive enquirires into "Arboriginal Deaths in Custody". But do realise, these people were only discovered 230 years ago, mistreated till 1950's region.

That means their heritage, their culture has not adjusted. They are hunters and gatherers by nature but now have a complex system of laws and monetary values to deal with. The feeling of loss would be very present and Australias previous govt was in high denial of recognizing their grievances. It is being addressed, no matter how you look at it in 1770 the Brits stole their land, in a system of first come first serve they were here first.

I too agree that conscription, a base of at least 3 years of forces training, ripping these bums from their inept parents and instilling some value, some skills, some purpose and respect wont do them harm. Our adolescent male suicide rate is high, young men are a little lost in todays world and army etc other than the first 3 months of hard core training does a lot for a person.

When the youngsters F'up the MP's and the military deal with them, that alone is far more worrying than the civil system which would prohibit a month of toilet scrubbing and midnight guard posts.

Australia still has a lot of guns around, hand guns (pistols) were always sort of "banned", but beyond the argument of "it's not guns that kill people but people" then the USA needs to look closely at the people it has bred.
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