Knife in a Gun Fight - Self Defense in this Millennium

Aerial

Well JohN Dee, you seem to be the type that enjoys a good scrum with your mates, and what's a head butt, or broken nose among friends right?

I don't want to be judgmental about you JohN Dee, and I'm sure you are great guy, but I have to tell you that I go to great lengths to avoid people as you portray yourself here.

Particularly disturbing is your desire to try out a knee strike to the inner thigh, yes it can leave a nasty bruise on your victim, but it will also piss him off. Choose your next victim wisely or you may just have your balls up in your throat as he demonstrates the proper placement of such a knee strike.

Your chainsaw is roaring, but your climbing is slow. Sorry, I had to say it.

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newguy18

I was in a fight once where 3 guys thought they had me,The one who was getting in my face was the one i took hold of first,the other 2 just watched me beat the living snot outta him,then took off before i got one of them.I grew up in akron ohio right outside summit lake,i use to run around firestone park,west side of cleveland and of course east canton[bloods and crypts territory].What they call the projects around here is nothing compared to where i came from.I'd like to take a few of those kids around here who think they're something to my old neighborhood,something tells me they'd be afraid to leave the car.I've had cops stop me while walking in east canton after dark asking me if i was trying to get shot.

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Hey, newguy, I went to KSU and know the Akron area well. The Akron Zips, I believe they got that name after the guns they carried back in the day, now they've all got AK47s.

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newguy18

I used to hang around asu [back when i was a smoker]and smoke and run around with my friends after i dropped out of school.A friend's uncle owned a tobacoo outlet and sold us smokes and somefrom time to time.I can't really say good times.

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JohN Dee

Lol mate, I understand where you're coming from, I really do. The text just doesn't do the justice. All of these instances I never once went looking for... They all found me.

It may sound as though I'm some thug, but I'm really not. I cherish my family, my work, my friends. I'm a little bit of an intravert, but once I get to know ya I'd never shut up... I like keeping to myself and avoiding these situations... Especially now that I'm an adult and I'm responsible for my own actions.

Eg: At the club, you know everyone is drinking and having a good time, when I accidentally bump into people I grab em rather then risk them wanting to jump me or go me, I give them a handshake say I'm sorry for the bump and wish them a good night. So far all is well and everyone is receptive. I once accidentally trot on the foot of a female (not knowing at all) in the packed dance floor and she pulled me up... Wasn't to say sorry though, she stomped my foot back with her heel :'(. Was all good and I continued on the night, avoiding her for the feak of her cutting off my foot with that heel...

Yes I suppose, that is abit weird and disturbing... I've never used it, but given the right circumstances I definately would.

Hmm, I think my posts are coming across really thuggish/offensive, when this is a self defence thread... I may later delete them. Gotta give it some thought.

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Aerial

Sometimes people can give a wrong impression when trying to express themselves in writing. I myself did that in a major way when I first posted on this forum. It took a lot of explaining before my true feelings came out, and much of the misunderstanding came from my writing style.

Hang in there, JohN Dee, your last post went a long way to reveal that you are not itching to use your fists, as your first posts seemed to indicate.

I didn't start this thread to brag-up how bad a dude I am, hell I'm 60 years old and can't go three rounds anymore, much less twelve.

The core topic is "Knife in a Gun Fight - Self Defense in this Millennium" What I was trying to indicate is how do you keep yourself and your Family safe, now that in many societies the populace has been disarmed.

At the height of my "bad ass dude" days, when I was 21 and fresh out of the Marine Corps any 12 year old with a Saturday night special could have capped me from 20 feet.

Similarly, in the bar fight posted earlier, if that second assailant would have picked up a beer bottle he could have put me out in one blow. As it was, I was happy to have him kicking me, I knew where he was and what he was up to. He was gonna be next, and in fact was.

I could have killed the first guy with the palm strike to the nose, and not skinned up my knuckles on my hand. As it was I'm pretty sure I broke his nose. In my mind that was enough of a lesson to teach. The same with the second guy, although I can't be as sure as the lights went out for me once I got pile drived into the floor by the bouncer.

I had to have 7 staples in my head and still carry the scar. The two other guys got off easy on that one, and perhaps learned something about starting fights in bars, even with 40 year old geezers, as I was at the time.

I scared the hell out of my wife to be on that night, she saw a side of me that she had no idea existed. Very few have. To this day she thinks the relentless beast she saw that night resides within me very close to the surface, I hope she is wrong about that, I've tried to bury it deep within.

These days I'm more of a pacifist than rowdy bar brawler. But I can still go one round with anybody if I am forced to, but you'd have to force me, or catch me.

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Therrin

Wow, aren't you blokes all a bunch of bad ass dudes.


I left home at 17, lived on the streets for 5 months and lived in a pickup truck for another year. Lots of stories....

Been in several fights, been stabbed (upper left shoulder), been shot at several times... Used to spend my time with folks of ill repute.

Finally decided at some point that all of it was pretty stupid and never looked back after that.

Still carry a gun everywhere though. Some habits are hard to break. These days it usually stays in the truck unless its A) nighttime, B) a bad part of town, or C) somewhere I'm not familiar with.

Have a concealed carry permits for 38 states. Did private contract armed bodyguarding in Los Angeles and Chicago. Found that clicking the switch on a stun gun get's people's attention 9 times out of 10 in ways that a normal gun never will.

Go figure.


Oh yeah... indoors, pepper foam is great stuff. Cover's their face with a gelatinous foam made of CS and peppers. They claw it out of their eyes and get it all over themself in the process. It has a UV marking dye which can provide positive ID via blacklight. Makes em scream like babies... good stuff

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newguy18

I can make anyone cry just by smacking[not punching]them in the nose.Usually breaks it.

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Aerial

I got Debi (the wife) a zapper, so far I'm the only one she's used it on. Quite effective, she gave me a jolt in the thigh and it dropped me to the floor.

They have used the CS / pepper spray as a bear deterrent and it seems to work.

What are the laws in Australia concerning these non-lethal weapons?

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Therrin

I picked up a 600,000v model Muscle Man stun gun...

Decided that before I started carrying it, I'd have my landlord "test" it on me.. cuz I wanted to see how well it worked.

I should have seen the evil gleam in his eye and the grin on his face when I asked him, but somehow it slipped by me. He had his two boys hold my arms and he got me in the chest with it.

I found myself on the ground... slightly dazed. They were laughing and he said "Ken, you should've heard yourself screaming"

They're pretty effective. Only problem is that you have to be close enough to touch someone. I did event security at a revival type thing several weeks ago, and went to find a taser (shoots electrified barbs), but they started out at $350. Little pricey for me.

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Aerial

You sure that's not 60,000 volts ?

True you have to bring it into contact to employ it, but as you say, making it snap, krackle, and pop is a great deterrent.

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Therrin

600,000v, yup. It'll even go through heavy clothing.

they're only like 5 milliamps or so. It's the amps that'll kill ya, remember?

Yeah, on the normal stun gun there's a set of metal posts out front that you gotta touch em with, but between those there's two more which put out the audible/visible lightning crack. They're pretty loud too, only a pop or two will get the attention of an entire room.

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Ekka

I have no idea, but seeings that their not for sale I guess banned.

Funny thing is guys, all these "defence" weapons are also sold to perps!

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Aerial

WHEN GUN ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.

Pardon me "shouting" but it is just true. The perps, won't have stun guns, they will have AKs hence the "Knife in a Gunfight" title of this thread.

I would much rather be robbed by a guy with a stun gun than by a guy who finds it easier to shoot me in the head to see what's in my wallet.

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Ekka

Yeah right, that's why USA's crime rates is so low.

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