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| Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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| Whales, dolphins ... who cares seems to be the message from the Japanese. Grit your teeth when you read the story. Massacre of the dolphins: How the dolphins being massacred to satisfy a food fetish are poisoning the Japanese who eat them | Mail Online Also a covert movie was shot, the Japs want the film makers behind bars. watch the video. The Cove Movie: Welcome or ![]()
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| Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Earth
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Some slaughter chickens and cows, and some slaughter whales and dalphins. Massacure or slaughder, nice choice of words. It makes me sick to see it, and i think its wrong, but they eat the meat just like i eat chicken and beef. Have you ever seen how your food is killed? I know i'll hear some crap about this opinion, oh well. |
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Perhaps if you read the article you would not have such an ignorant opinion.
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I think we humans will kill just about anything that walks or crawls to feed ourselves when we are hungry enough! Everyone loves dolphins so this gets bad press. They are also on the endagered species list mainly due to being caught in nets used to fish for Tuna and the likes. All fish are soon to be scarce due to overfishing. Will we leave them all alone or hunt them down to the last one?
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beautiful creatures. poor stewardship. unnecesssary and cruel. |
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| Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Shropshire, UK
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All fish are beautiful creatures, who determines which should not be caught? Rarest first?
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Perhaps if you read the article you would not have such an ignorant opinion. Thx Ekka...I did read it, and as i wrote, it makes me sick. |
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A food source or poison source: Quote:
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| Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Earth
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The same was done after the Chernobyl Nuclear Accident in Ukraine, but with contaminaded beef. They spread the beef all over so everyone got a little apossed to a small group getting alot, and told no one about it. Government greed!
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At least with cattle and chickens we raise them for that purpose, we arent slaughtering off a dwindling supply and then not replenishing it. Im pretty certain cattle and chickens arent in danger of going extinct any time soon. And I dont think they're poisoning people with huge doses of heavy metals. The two arguments are of a similar nature but dont even nearly hold the same grounds. Poor dolphins =( That's pretty gruesome. I've had dolphins play with me while scuba diving, they're pretty curious and a blast to have an experience with while underwater. Cant say I've had the same experience with cows. Or chickens, for that matter. |
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Sounds like Sea Sheppard needs to get some cannons for their ships, they do have a couple of ex-navy/coast guard vessels. Japan just needs to be stopped, the world leaders are too pansy to do anything coz it would damage relations. |
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| Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North of Sebringville, Ontario, Canada
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Japan has pretty much fished out their waters. A few years back (not sure how many) they were up here fishing in Canadian waters illegally. They had to be escorted out of the Canadian waters a few times. This is a real shame to see this kind of stuff going on. Bruce.
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Same here, but we got tougher on them an Siezed their boats, created diplomatic problems, now we just send them to NZ.
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Yep not good. It needs to be stopped I think. Dogs and Cats breed much quicker, why carn't they stick to that
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Dogs and Cats breed much quicker, why carn't they stick to that now that's funny!
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| Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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I suggest everybody see this film, absolutely gob smacking! ![]() The arrogance of the Japs is unbelievable, and what these people did to get the story out was incredible. But the slaughter continues, just like the whales, even when the meat is toxic. You'll also see what other demands fuel the dolphin captures, and you will not be surprised. ![]() You will be stunned to see who was involved and their dedication to a cause and why. Seriously, I consider this movie a must see, and hopefully it will invoke a few more people to do more than sit on their asses and watch the world go by. There was specific mention about how the young ones aren't taking the bat to the ball anymore, no-one coming up through the ranks to push for change. Clearly we are becoming a corporatized society and appears that most care more about their status within that man made regime' than anything else. Hats off to the people that made that movie happen, a very true word said was if you wait for government to make changes you will seldom see much at all, and most change occurs from passionate motivated people.
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The Japanese arrogance is beyond reality. I used to support those guys when I was an engineer. No one could say anything about anything there, so they would lean on us "gaiji" (literally meaning 'external charachers', but more realistically meaning 'ugly Americans') to resolve their problems. One time we sent an apps engineer there just to plug the computer array into the goddamn wall outletl! True story! None of the lower employees could tell the boss that it was not plugged into the wall, because it was so obvious that it would make the boss look bad. And you absolutely cannot in any way make the boss look bad in Japan. We later had a rep there that was at the big table, and he had to filter his issues up and down the table to the big boss at the other end. He got pissed off with the process, and went to the big boss and told him directly what was happening. Next day he was on a plane to the states with a note to send someone else. Just look at Toyota and the brake recall. They have had problems for years, but they are totalitarian in Japan and built on an ideal. People working there are completely controlled by Toyota. They are machines. There have been several guys that came out about the issues over the years there, but they are ignored. Now people are looking at what is going on after the recalls. It is creepy, from an American perspective. The Toyota Way: NPR.org Looking For Answers In Japan's Toyota City By the way, Dolphin safe tuna is about the only tuna that you can buy here any more. I saw a TV show on the way that Aussies catch and pen Tuna for export to Japan. It is truely amazing. And it all best practices. No slaughtering. No dolphins killed. All so the Japs can have raw tuna without killing themselves from the parasites. It will come down to food in the end though. There are what, 7 billion people now? They all have to eat... |
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My brother is an engineer too, spent a little time over there. He also confirms exactly what you say, suppression. In that link you dropped it wrote:- Quote:
In the movie they say in Japan when a sharp nail raises through the floor boards it is pounded back down, meaning when issues surface beat them down rather than deal with them, maybe Treevet got his training there. ![]() When video evidence was shown to the heads they were more concerned about how the footage was gained not the content, that's the beating the sharp nail down routine. I also believe they never ever recoved economically from the 1987 stock market crash, imagine 20+ years of recession, due to their inability to change .... tradition can be a bitch. In the movie The Cove they discussed why the Japs killed the dolphin, in claims of tradition it was clearly a lie as they hid the fact from the mass population, media ban, most didn't even know and the toxic meat is renamed something else and eaten. There were deformities alright. Source: Dolphin Spirit Quote:
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I find this horrible and it breaks my heart. I worked at Sea Life Park Hawaii for over a year working closely with these animals. I got to photography them and film them on daily and intimate bases. And correction to some of you who are calling these gorgeous creatures fish. They are mammals, please do not forget that. They are highly intelligent, they just like us have very deep feelings and that I have witnessed first hand. Yes I understand that we eat all sorts of animals and who are we to chose who lives or dies, but this is just sickening...these creatures don't reproduce like a cow, chicken, pig or many of the other animals that we decide we want to consume. A dolphin's gestation period is a year and once the dolphin has given birth they do not breed for another two years because they are nursing their calf. And you have to think out in the wild a dolphins average life span is only 22 to 24 years. They aren't even mature enough to breed until they are at least 5yrs of age so think about it, if they live the full 24 years they can have up to 6 offspring in their entire life span...this is assuming each offspring survives the dangers of our polluted oceans, the mother has enough of a food source or other normal pregnancy issues that dolphins may have. Not even in captivity with all the vets good money can buy would be able to save a calf from natural complications. As for the Japanese who are wanting these film makers to go to jail for outing the truths of their barbaric trade, I hope that the Japanese who had done these things meet the same ill fate these amazing animals have. |
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| Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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Darn well said! I was horrified that this band of men got stuff all funding. Also the politics at play is intense. I still find it hard to believe a secret this big was kept. Thank you for the insight into the dolphins life cycle. There was mention in the film where dolphins sort of suicide from emotional stress. The Japs have been in recession since the stock crash of 1987, mainly due to their inability to adapt to change, it's one thing to have customs, but another to know facts and move on. The once industrious nation that embrace manufacturing ideals like TQC (total quality control) and JIT (Just in time) stock management have stifled their evolutionary progress due to culture and myth. They threaten nations who make a stance with economic boycotts, just another from of financial terrorism. I dont care for them much at all, but slowly the world will let them know their place, and the poorer nations that feed off their handouts for votes will soon realise the hand that feeds them is the one that kills them.... just like the dolphins, it's called bait and trap.
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They have too many people to feed so I think it would be best if they bred guinea pigs or something and leave the lovely dolphins alone. And maybe use more contraceptives so they don't breed so much. Shame the Japanese aren't endangered. ![]() That was the saddest thing. |
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mirboo North
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Hi Ekka, Cant watch ANY thing on this subject, Ekka! ![]() I got out before pics came up! Who's gonna stop them? It just sickens me. Like you said, "they dont care" And that's the operative! Hey have you noticed how there is a mean slant on the moola these days? Money is the god! Hope the wife & kids are all good. Cheers, Farawaytree | |
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| Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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| Sure have. Which brings up the point all the time, when is enough profit enough? So we see shrinking package sizes for same money, we see sky rocketing profits during tough times (especially oil companies during Gulf war). I hear of American's paying like 70% WC premiums, and insurance companies paying bonuses to staff for cancelling claimants policies whilst they're claiming (yes they're hired to find a reason to fire a claimant). What a world.
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