Inner Circle of a Tree Website: Peer Comment

mdvaden

Howdy, y'all....

So, like a couple of you, I participate on a few forums. In the last week, I unintentionally discovered a way than information can be accessed within one that I was planning to join. I didn't really go looking for entry, it just coincided.

(We webmasters, should all realize most parts of our websites are not inpenetrable - anyway)

So... one message really caught my eye, because it looked like a local arborist participated in a conversation about me behind my back. This is one of the more mild statements...

Another tree worker, to have met me a couple of times, would have to be in northern Oregon, or southern Oregon, but not the coast, as I don't recall meeting coastal arborists in person a couple of times.

So my logical guess, is the "sotc" may likely mean "Southern Oregon Tree Company" - s - o - t - c

What strikes me as odd, is how a tree service worker in this area would not "be sure" about me. Any I've met, should already have been able to form a good opinion or a bad opinion. My website has been in the face of almost all tree services here for two years, and I can't imagine they wouldn't have visited the site and noticed this page right off the bat...

http://www.mdvaden.com/testimonials.shtml

Locally, I've only had to meet individual Master Gardeners once, and they came to conclusions in a matter of a day - good ones, thankfully. I've worked for several in succession, and they invited me for a speaking engagement they held at the university in Ashland, nearby, last winter. And apparently, are interested in another, let alone repeat work.

Over at the coast, the same happened with Brookings / Harbor Garden Club Members, both speaking and working 3 times in less than 2 months at the coast.

Locally, I can't believe that this "sotc" would be Bartlett Tree Service of Medford, Oregon, as I don't think he could pull my leg for the genuine friendliness when I drop by his home, or when we eat lunch together.

He's an awesome arborist. A "10" on a scale of 1 to 10 for eithics, skill and personality. Other guys are good, but I'd give anyone else an "8" which is good. But there's no "9" here yet. Barlett is head and shoulders up there. I just don't think its him.

Anyway, I've always enjoyed visiting and confiding with arborists here - at least Certified Arborists. If you wanted to figure out who is worth confiding in, or not, how would you go about it? Similar experiences?

I may well steer clear of the other forum for a while, until I think this over a bit.

I've got thick armour on my back though. Nobody gets under my skin. Its more a matter of who can be trusted with personal trust and conversation.

Ideas?

Thanks

Eric Frei

Mario

Did you miss the exposure of many at TB when anonymous users were exposing some vile sprays out of MB's Treehouse?

Even Tom Dunlap copped it good. Some are out of a hidden area called The Batcave over there where selected people bitch about members. The Elders over there is not much different.

When you select a forum or even an employer you need to know what the character is. Did you not see the exposure of MB's child porn and drug manufacture, distribution and user charges?

Those people are trouble, with only degradation in their minds, they enjoy slagging off on others.

Have you read this article about the pack mentality?
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/lani...6.2_index.html

The owner boasts of unsafe practices and even offers how to guides which are bloody stupid.

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mdvaden

Well, since the means is available, I decided to extract a couple of other comments, so people may understand...

Our profession, might expect different, even if we are not someones "fave"...

Especially with me being born in Canada, if they are in fact, Canadian.

Most Canucks I've met, have been very cordial and discreet. Its very believable that that person may not be like that in person, but could be feeling peer pressure to "chime-in" with comments that go cross grain with what's known by many Oregon tree and landscape professionals. I like to cut people slack whenever I can, if a chain of behavior is unknown to me. Sometime, if registration completes, I should PM a message to the Canadian and talk one on one - see if that's really how they feel.

Eric Frei

Used car salesman?!

Hey, this is about as hard as it gets to know about you.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mario+vaden&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
And that's about the intellect you'd expect from a child.

So a small bunch of back stabbers reside in some forum slandering decent community people. You spend lots of time studying, learning, growing and helping but there's a group who are always so much smarter deciding your "real value" in the arb community.

Beware the on line collective. No other forum owner would support such garbage, but here you have one that has made a profitable business out of it.



Birds of a feather do certainly flock together, be wise people and have faith in the way this board is run ... any garbage like that which you are experiencing Mario will be run out of this town. You had no opportunity to defend yourself nor were asked .... just a load of rubbish.

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TreeCo

M.D. it's kind of a game they play running people down over there. I didn't worry much about it when they were talking about me and my adivice to you is to not worry much about it either.

Drouin Tree Service

Sounds fishy to me mario, but coming from where it did im not suprised at all...

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mdvaden

Well here's the way it sits this evening - the registration got activated.

But I'm going to hold back on posting, other than an introductory for the moment. Well...... maybe a few for fun.

I try to be civil. (even if but "been here, thanks, see you later")

One thing about my nature though, I have a very, very long fuse. But once the fuse gets lit, I tend to be a "scrapper".

For all practical purposes, I like organization, and that means that I don't care to leave unfinished business just laying around.

Eric Frei

Hey, here's my little moto.

Be thorough, follow through and leave no loose ends.

I have lived by that for years now, things get done, you sleep well at night and no hauntings from things incomplete coming back to bite you.

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Stumper

Mario, I DID post something about you behind your back. I apologize. Gossip is something I hate and I let myself slip into it. As for what I posted-it is the impression I gleened from our mutual participation on other boards. If it is inaccurate and unfair, my apologies but it is the impression I have based upon your posts. Please forgive me for saying anything at all that was less than complimentary.

mdvaden

Fair enough.

Apology accepted.

Here's a fragment of information pertaining to my experience as a board member of Oregon's landscape contractor board that's associated with "hearsay".

The Governor appointed me to the position, and the signed document says this (should be image)....



The nifty thing about board appointments, is its not like some political campaign. And it stems more from who you are known to be, locally - where it counts.

The governor's staff, verify character and and background of board members, from the references provided - local people and who are in the best position to know an individual.

That's why I added that kind of stuff in my website.

It leaves a documented witness nation-wide. It leaves a "check and balance" between people who really know you, and people who really don't know you on a daily, or yearly experience basis.

Anyway, thanks again. No hard feelings here. Besides, as I wrote, my back has 2" of steel armour on it.

I'm doing an OPEN HOUSE today, so I'll be on and off the forums between greeting and making sure snacks are fresh.

Mario

canuck

Do I have you confused with some one else?

If my memory serves me well I thought you moved to Medford took a job as car salesman at a Lithia dealership.

mdvaden

I took a temporary job in sales, until my body started hurting worse from not working, than from really working. Unique thing...

I resigned my license number, and they can never be reused. Old numbers are valuable, because a smaller number in Oregon immediately identifies that someone has longer experience in business.

When I called to apply for a new business license to do landscaping and tree work, I learned that the administrator had buried my license resignation, because he felt the industry is where I should be. So I was able to get my original license number again.

By the way, if anybody really wants to know what I'm doing, the website is updated weekly, if not daily. It's in almost all my signature links, and easy to find on the web. If ever in doubt, check the web.

Actually, the re-start in business here, after a 6 week pause, was very useful. It triggered advancing into some stuff I've wanted to do more of. I'm starting on a DVD pruning video geared to homeowners, and SilkyUSA sent me complimentary equipment to use in it, since I'll be mentioning them.

Speaking engagements multiplied down here, and I finally got around to teaching some college classes. And, I worked on my website, so that now, instead of costing me $150 per year, it's bringing in $130 per month from the 900 page views per day.

So all in all, its been a more productive experience than I expected.

Tree Machine

I love your site, Mario. I think you've done a great job with it. I've visited frequently over the last couple years and always amazed how it evolves.

I'm glad it's paying you back a bit, nothing close to the investment in time you have in it, but better to be on the monthly positive than negative.

Eric Frei

I too enjoy Mario's writing.

It's down to earth, honest and in layman's terms understandable.

I remember a comment I read ages ago when Mario was testing out his new pages. One wrote words to the effect "building a shrine for yourself" ... how bazaar.

When one has accumulated a lot of knowledge over time and wishes to share it that's no way to thank them for it.

Imagine saying to Shigo the same thing!

Good on you Mario. And if there wasn't negative implications from Google for duplicate content I'd just copy paste some of those tips to my site.

Stand tall and proud, you the man and ya customers should be damn proud to have you on the job.

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Pineoil

These are all good posts reflecting sincere feelings about each other. It's too bad in the United States we depend on sites filled with suspicious hatred and distrust but if they are owned by child pornography collectors I would expect nothing less.

Eric Frei

Pineoil,

First of all welcome.

There's a lot more to this than meets the eye.

There is a long list of recipients of such treatment.

What is ugly is the communal badgering, the rallying and near "you better join in or else" leadership.

Whilst many people may have differences and express them in a variety of ways it's of the same mentality as the Gestapo to actually lead a group to war.

You wont see that here.

One other thing, druggies and porno addicts never rehabilitate, and recent evidence from there clearly shows that with reference being made to scoring rock herion, weed, ecstacy, hash etc ... this is common.

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Pineoil

You are welcome and it's nice to be on board.
After browsing the posts it is apparent this site reflects professionalism, not uneducated ground worker wanna bees with a penchant for jailhouse gutter talk. It is the the sorry leadership and ass-kissing followers from The Outhouse that prompted my move.

Eric Frei

Well, you're just another on the list.

In my experience I can say the influence upon others is certainly negative, and the coalition amongst the brethren is strong, yet the purpose is futile.

You'll seldom experience an inquisitive questioning mind but most often encounter a stern opinion supported by thuggery.

The conclusions and deductions they have arisen to for many a soul reflects their typical interior views.

For example, according to one of them "experts" all Thai women are ...

fancy that, in fact my brother married a Thai lady, lovely lady, has a degree and well educated and works hard.

I'm continually amazed at the psychotic paranoid delusions they commonly share ... they join forces and lie in unison, then actually believe their own bullshit.

You know, not one of them could part with a lousy $2.95 to get the facts on MB, ostriches mate!

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Loadstar

I'm here to hear from other tree men that understand and help out instead of trash and puke on there own kind. Me and my bro are second generation tree men that are sick of watching any pion with a chain saw that learned how to spike a pine tree ten year ago and think they are the best there is. We call them hack jobbers that the only tools they own is one chain saw and a twentyear old piece of junk truck. i know that fool Butch guy from friends and hes got tattoos and tough fellow attitude but they say he cries like a baby that's why I joined here , and can't even climb anymore but brags about climbing everyday to his web site. Hey a man cant smoke pot and tug on pure whiskey everyday and do what we do. We plan on moving rigs down to his town and sqeezing some work sure enough hes not doing it we get calls from there. Good to be here thanks.

Loadstar

Oh I'm sorry I should let you know who I am.

I'm an American Indian and a member of the Choctaw Nation. A full blood. Our nation provides fire fighters to any call seeking our assistance at any time and any place. We train with the Cherokee Nation of
Oklahoma who also stand by with hot shot crews. I am proud to represent my people and also served in the United States Marine Corps and am a member of the Black Leggings Society of the Native American Veterans Association. We do not drink alcohol or destroy our bodies with addicting habits.

Today my brother and I logged into the Tree house website, something we have done many times and never posted anything. They are fighting about the economy their white brothers caused and blaming everyone bbut themselves. In the true spirit of General George Armstrong Custer who was instermental in conducting genocide against our people, a member named Stumper said this((((((( Sigh. Anybody else wish longingly for the days when people wanted to tell each other "Now you are free. GO GET 'EM."?Many years ago a very sweet old man who had worked the oil rigs throughout the middle east, a man I never heard curse save for this one occasion long before 9/11, said to me. "The best thing we could do is kill all them damned ragheads.".
I know that is immflammatory and ethnically bigoted....but more and more I understand that the only true solution for some cultures is oblitoration.)))))

I'm looking for this man and we will find him before his hatred against others inspires more violence. America is fast becoming a hot bed of hate and theft and we seen it before but this time we go ahead and do something about it. Okay to just let you know my feelings,
I am sorry. Back to trees and men, real trees and real men not these white christian drunken child molesters.

Eric Frei

Loadstar,

Welcome.

Rigs from memory is a good guy. So is a guy called Big John. If they went to Alexandria Lousiana they'd clean up!

Have you read this post? http://www.treeworld.info/f9/so-whad....html#post9809

He's a rotten egg, and behind hidden doors rallies people of like minds to hatred. Recently he was banned from TB, probably will blame that on me too!

Here, we try very hard to be at the cutting edge of tree stuff and techniques, including consulting as well as practical stuff. We try to have some fun too. It's important that we sift the rubbish and myths out, and discuss things in a mature manner without sledging personal attacks.

Welcome, and tongue in cheek thought you'd like this.

fighting terrorism since - Google Image Search

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Drouin Tree Service

Yes its a sad situation,Hope you find him.

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