Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist!

Apocalypsse · 24th January 2012, 06:20 PM

Well wtf, this is just stupid.

Aussie flag flyers more racist: survey - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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Aussie flag flyers more racist: survey

People who fly Australian flags on their cars have more racist views than the rest of the population, a new study has found.

Many flag flyers also support the now-defunct White Australia Policy and are afraid the Australian culture is under threat, researchers from the University of Western Australia say.

Researchers surveyed 513 revellers among the 300,000 gathered to watch the Australia Day fireworks in Perth last year.

One in five of those surveyed said they had attached Australian flags to their cars.

WA University anthropologist Farida Fozdar says those flying the flags expressed more racist opinions on a number of issues.

"People who had flags on their cars, 43 per cent of them believe the White Australia Policy had saved Australia from problems that other countries had experienced," she said.

"Fifty-six per cent of those with flags on their cars feared their culture and its most important values were in danger compared to 34 per cent of non-flag flyers."

Professor Fozdar says of the people surveyed who do fly flags, the common factor was fear.

"You can't actually ask outright a question about 'do you feel fearful?' I guess the question that I asked that was closest to that was the one about fearing the loss of one's cultures and most important values," she said.

"Certainly 56 per cent of people with car flags agreed with that statement, but there was definitely a feeling of, I guess, being under siege."
Minorities targeted

There is a place for more public education about the value of diversity to Australia to encourage people to feel more positive about that diversity.
WA University anthropologist Farida Fozdar

She says the majority of those polled - whether they flew Australian flags or not - had negative views of Aboriginal people, Muslim Australians and asylum seekers.

"I asked a question about some of the minorities within Australia who tend to bear the brunt of Australian racism," she said.

"There were a lot of people who felt negative towards Muslim Australians particularly and towards asylum seekers particularly."

But Professor Fozdar says according to her research it is simplistic to believe all of those with flags on their cars or trucks hold racist attitudes.

"You had flag flyers who were expressing non-racist views, so I wouldn't like people to go away from hearing about this research thinking, 'oh well all people who have flags on their cars are racist'. That's certainly not the finding," she said.

"But there is a place for more public education about the value of diversity to Australia to encourage people to feel more positive about that diversity."
Culture shift
Audio: Flag wavers more likely to express racist views (The World Today)

She says Australian flags on cars are a common sight in the West.

"I think that's partly to do with the fact that here, Australia Day is a bit more of a celebration in terms of the fireworks and so on," she said.

"Clearly they were trying to say something by doing this and so I wanted to know what exactly were they trying to say."

But since 2006 there has been a drop-off in the numbers of people flying flags.

Professor Fozdar says this may partly be down to less businesses giving away cheap plastic flags, but she also says there may be a cultural shift.

"This might be a phenomenon that it's had its peak and now, you know, people are moving on to other things and they don't feel the need perhaps to express their nationalism in this sort of way," she said.

"Perhaps it also may demonstrate that people are feeling less insecure about their Australian identity."

Jeff Darby · 24th January 2012, 06:51 PM

These people will not be happy until we cant fly out flag, can not express our opinon, become third rate citizens in our own country...I'm Australian and proud of it, If you do not like this tuff...go home be happy.

Australian National Anthem - YouTube

Brent Ferris · 24th January 2012, 08:17 PM

Well put, Jeff !!!

bill24 · 25th January 2012, 10:02 AM

Political correctness is out of control in this country, so what if the people that fly the flag have opinions, isn't that why we live in a democratic country where you have freedom of spe..........oops, sorry nearly forgot, you can't express to many opinions re anyones religion, sex preference, ethnicity etc.

My grandfathers, both WWI vets, would roll in their graves if they could see some of this bullshit.

People like Farida Fozdate could get far better respect from looking for positives in the community, not delving into irrelevancies to hinder assimilation.

I sometimes wonder what the agenda is for studies like this, whats behind it, why would a University bother to fund it ?

Paul Toivonen · 25th January 2012, 10:30 AM

You may as well say anyone flying an indigenous flag on AU day is racist.
All these "studies" sound good on paper but arent worth using to wipe the rear end with.

Tony Knight · 25th January 2012, 08:21 PM

Quote:

"Under the Southern Cross I Stand
A sprig of wattle in my hand,
A native of my native land,
Australia you little beauty."

To hell with em, I'll see racists and those that label honest, proud Australians as racists out of here. There jealous and scared of our constituation and support for this country.

Happy Australia day all, have a beer, a shrimp, sleep or work its your choice because this is Australia.

Tony

Eric Frei · 25th January 2012, 08:40 PM

Racism by Hanson 1996

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Pauline Hanson's maiden speech in federal parliament

Tuesday, 10th September 1996.

5.15pm : Mister Acting Speaker, in making my first speech in this place, I congratulate you on your election and wish to say how proud I am to be here as the Independent member for Oxley. I come here not as a polished politician but as a woman who has had her fair share of life's knocks.

My view on issues is based on commonsense, and my experience as a mother of four children, as a sole parent, and as a businesswoman running a fish and chip shop. I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals.

We now have a situation where a type of reverse racism is applied to mainstream Australians by those who promote political correctness and those who control the various taxpayer funded "industries" that flourish in our society servicing Aboriginals, multiculturalists and a host of other minority groups. In response to my call for equality for all Australians, the most noisy criticism came from the fat cats, bureaucrats and the do-gooders. They screamed the loudest because they stand to lose the most - their power, money and position, all funded by ordinary Australian taxpayers.

Present governments are encouraging separatism in Australia by providing opportunities, land, moneys and facilities available only to Aboriginals. Along with millions of Australians, I am fed up to the back teeth with the inequalities that are being promoted by the government and paid for by the taxpayer under the assumption that Aboriginals are the most disadvantaged people in Australia. I do not believe that the colour of one's skin determines whether you are disadvantaged. As Paul Hasluck said in parliament in October 1955 when he was Minister for Territories:

The distinction I make is this. A social problem is one that concerns the way in which people live together in one society. A racial problem is a problem which confronts two different races who live in two separate societies, even if those societies are side by side. We do not want a society in Australia in which one group enjoy one set of privileges and another group enjoy another set of privileges.

Hasluck's vision was of a single society in which racial emphases were rejected and social issues addressed. I totally agree with him, and so would the majority of Australians.

But, remember, when he gave his speech he was talking about the privileges that white Australians were seen to be enjoying over Aboriginals. Today, 41 years later, I talk about the exact opposite - the privileges Aboriginals enjoy over other Australians. I have done research on benefits available only to Aboriginals and challenge anyone to tell me how Aboriginals are disadvantaged when they can obtain 3 and 5 % housing loans denied to non-Aboriginals.

This nation is being divided into black and white, and the present system encourages this. I am fed up with being told, "This is our land." Well, where the hell do I go? I was born here, and so were my parents and children. I will work beside anyone and they will be my equal but I draw the line when told I must pay and continue paying for something that happened over 200 years ago. Like most Australians, I worked for my land; no-one gave it to me.

Apart from the $40 million spent so far since Mabo on native title claims, the government has made available $1 billion for Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders as compensation for land they cannot claim under native title. Bear in mind that the $40 million spent so far in native title has gone into the pockets of grateful lawyers and consultants. Not one native title has been granted as I speak.

The majority of Aboriginals do not want handouts because they realise that welfare is killing them. This quote says it all "If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish you feed him for a lifetime."

Those who feed off the Aboriginal industry do not want to see things changed. Look at the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation. Members receive $290 a day sitting allowance and $320 a day travelling allowance, and most of these people also hold other very well paid positions. No wonder they did not want to resign recently!

Reconciliation is everyone recognising and treating each other as equals, and everyone must be responsible for their own actions. This is why I am calling for ATSIC to be abolished. It is a failed, hypocritical and discriminatory organisation that has failed dismally the people it was meant to serve. It will take more than Senator Herron's surgical skills to correct the terminal mess it is in. Anyone with a criminal record can, and does, hold a position with ATSIC. I cannot hold my position as a politician if I have a criminal record - once again, two sets of rules.

If politicians continue to promote separatism in Australia, they should not continue to hold their seats in this parliament. They are not truly representing all Australians, and I call on the people to throw them out. To survive in peace and harmony, united and strong, we must have one people, one nation, one flag.

The greatest cause of family breakdown is unemployment. This country of ours has the richest mineral deposits in the world and vast rich lands for agriculture and is surrounded by oceans that provide a wealth of seafood, and yet we are $190 billion in debt with an interest bill that is strangling us.

Youth unemployment between the ages of 15 to 24 runs at 25 % and is even higher in my electorate of Oxley. Statistics, by cooking the books, say that Australia's unemployment is at 8.6 %, or just under one million people. If we disregard that one hour's work a week classifies a person as employed, then the figure is really between 1.5 million and 1.9 million unemployed. This is a crisis that recent governments have ignored because of a lack of will. We are regarded as a Third World country with First World living conditions. We have one of the highest interest rates in the world, and we owe more money per capita than any other country. All we need is a nail hole in the bottom of the boat and we're sunk.

In real dollar terms, our standard of living has dropped over the past 10 years. In the 1960s, our wages increase ran at 3 % and unemployment at 2 %. Today, not only is there no wage increase, we have gone backwards and unemployment is officially 8.6 %. The real figure must be close to 12 to 13 %.

I wish to comment briefly on some social and legal problems encountered by many of my constituents - problems not restricted to just my electorate of Oxley. I refer to the social and family upheaval created by the Family Law Act and the ramifications of that act embodied in the child support scheme. The Family Law Act, which was the child of the disgraceful Senator Lionel Murphy, should be repealed. It has brought death, misery and heartache to countless thousands of Australians. Children are treated like pawns in some crazy game of chess.

The child support scheme has become unworkable, very unfair and one sided. Custodial parents can often profit handsomely at the expense of a parent paying child support, and in many cases the non-custodial parent simply gives up employment to escape the, in many cases, heavy and punitive financial demands. Governments must give to all those who have hit life's hurdles the chance to rebuild and have a future.

We have lost all our big Australian industries and icons, including Qantas when it sold 25 % of its shares and a controlling interest to British Airways. Now this government wants to sell Telstra, a company that made a $1.2 billion profit last year and will make a $2 billion profit this year. But, first, they want to sack 54,000 employees to show better profits and share prices. Anyone with business sense knows that you do not sell off your assets especially when they are making money. I may be only "a fish and chip shop lady", but some of these economists need to get their heads out of the textbooks and get a job in the real world. I would not even let one of them handle my grocery shopping.

Immigration and multiculturalism are issues that this government is trying to address, but for far too long ordinary Australians have been kept out of any debate by the major parties. I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40 % of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate. Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in who comes into my country. A truly multicultural country can never be strong or united. The world is full of failed and tragic examples, ranging from Ireland to Bosnia to Africa and, closer to home, Papua New Guinea. America and Great Britain are currently paying the price.

Arthur Calwell was a great Australian and Labor leader, and it is a pity that there are not men of his stature sitting on the opposition benches today. Arthur Calwell said "Japan, India, Burma, Ceylon and every new African nation are fiercely anti-white and anti-one another. Do we want or need any of these people here? I am one red-blooded Australian who says no and who speaks for 90 % of Australians." I have no hesitation in echoing the words of Arthur Calwell.

There is light at the end of the tunnel and there are solutions. If this government wants to be fair dinkum, then it must stop kowtowing to financial markets, international organisations, world bankers, investment companies and big business people. The Howard government must become visionary and be prepared to act, even at the risk of making mistakes.

In this financial year we will be spending at least $1.5 billion on foreign aid and we cannot be sure that this money will be properly spent, as corruption and mismanagement in many of the recipient countries are legend. Australia must review its membership and funding of the UN, as it is a little like ATSIC on a grander scale, with huge tax-free American dollar salaries, duty-free luxury cars and diplomatic status.

The World Health Organisation has a lot of its medical experts sitting in Geneva while hospitals in Africa have no drugs and desperate patients are forced to seek medication on the black market. I am going to find out how many treaties we have signed with the UN, have them exposed and then call for their repudiation. The government should cease all foreign aid immediately and apply the savings to generate employment here at home.

Abolishing the policy of multiculturalism will save billions of dollars and allow those from ethnic backgrounds to join mainstream Australia, paving the way to a strong, united country. Immigration must be halted in the short-term so that our dole queues are not added to by, in many cases, unskilled migrants not fluent in the English language. This would be one positive step to rescue many young and older Australians from a predicament which has become a national disgrace and crisis. I must stress at this stage that I do not consider those people from ethnic backgrounds currently living in Australia anything but first-class citizens, provided of course that they give this country their full, undivided loyalty.

The government must be imaginative enough to become involved, in the short-term at least, in job creating projects that will help establish the foundation for a resurgence of national development and enterprise. Such schemes would be the building of the Alice Springs to Darwin railway line, new roads and ports, water conservation, reforestation and other sensible and practical environmental projects.

Therefore I call for the introduction of national service for a period of 12 months, compulsory for males and females upon finishing year 12 or reaching 18 years of age. This could be a civil service with a touch of military training, because I do not feel we can go on living in a dream world forever and a day believing that war will never touch our lives again.

The government must do all it can to help reduce interest rates for business. How can we compete with Japan, Germany and Singapore, who enjoy rates of two %, 5.5 % and 3.5 % respectively? Reduced tariffs on foreign goods that compete with local products seem only to cost Australians their jobs. We must look after our own before lining the pockets of overseas countries and investors at the expense of our living standards and future.

Mister Acting Speaker, time is running out. We may have only 10 to 15 years left to turn things around. Because of our resources and our position in the world, we will not have a say because neighbouring countries such as Japan, with 125 million people; China, with 1.2 billion people; India, with 846 million people; Indonesia, with 178 million people; and Malaysia, with 20 million people are well aware of our resources and potential. Wake up, Australia, before it is too late. Australians need and want leaders who can inspire and give hope in difficult times. Now is the time for the Howard government to accept the challenge.

Mister Acting Speaker, everything I have said is relevant to my electorate of Oxley, which is typical of mainstream Australia. I do have concerns for my country and I am going to do my best to speak my mind and stand up for what I believe in. As an independent I am confident that I can look after the needs of the people of Oxley and I will always be guided by their advice. It is refreshing to be able to express my views without having to toe a party line. It has got me into trouble on the odd occasion, but I am not going to stop saying what I think. I consider myself just an ordinary Australian who wants to keep this great country strong and independent, and my greatest desire is to see all Australians treat each other as equals as we travel together towards the new century.

I will fight hard to keep my seat in this place, but that will depend on the people who sent me here. Mister Acting Speaker, I thank you for your attention and trust that you will not think me presumptuous if I dedicate this speech to the people of Oxley and those Australians who have supported me. I salute them all.

Paul Toivonen · 25th January 2012, 08:47 PM

That is Gold.

derwoodii · 26th January 2012, 03:28 PM

Take the test see how ya go

Australian Citizenship – Australian citizenship practice test

Hint, Never knew each state had its own constitution,, that be the feds and state public service duplicating red tape eh..

Eric Frei · 26th January 2012, 05:13 PM

Each state has it's own sovereign right and others are permitted into that state (like federal bases etc) under agreement.

This is why extradition is required for other states to hand over their crims etc.

There is a lot of debate about Federal funding vs States etc, like health care .... should it be a State responsibility or Federal? Lots of dispute but you'd like to think some things were same and consistent Australia wide.

Only this year has the Queensland education system come into alignment with the rest of the states, hopefully some smarter people come out of it. I blame Joh for that, an island isolationist mentality that gripped this state far too long, but he did balance the books better than some. Queensland is catching up, maybe there is hope for Tasmania yet!

Oh, by the way, I got 16 out of 20 right straight off the bat. Not sure which ones I got wrong though, that software doesn't show you.

derwoodii · 26th January 2012, 07:40 PM

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Oh, by the way, I got 16 out of 20 right straight off the bat. Not sure which ones I got wrong though, that software doesn't show you.

Well done, tis a shame about the file set up, I had to try over n over to see which answer I was gettin wrong with the state constitution thing. I recall the lecture now about the state rights, makes sovereign sense but also makes more gumnut work, hard to know what's best.

Looks like Julia and Tony got a freedom of speech n to protest touch up today..

Tony Knight · 26th January 2012, 08:30 PM

Hey, 2 outta 20 whats that get me (besides a row boat outta here).

Nah 18, not sure the stuff up but will look into it. (The 1901 thing was a guess).

Oi Oi Oi...

Tony

bill24 · 26th January 2012, 08:34 PM

I'm all for tolerance, and so should the rest of you blokes, in the name of tolerance I want you to support the following principles in your daily lives :-

**********

Tolerance

I am truly perplexed that so many of my friends
are against another mosque being built in " name yr town".

I think it should be the goal of every
Australian to be tolerant.

Thus the Mosque should be allowed, in an effort
to promote tolerance.

That is why I also propose that two nightclubs
be opened next door to the mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the
mosque.

We could call one of the clubs, which would be
gay, "The Turban Cowboy ", and the other a topless bar called "You Mecca Me Hot."

Next door should be a butcher shop that
specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbeque pork restaurant,
called "Iraq o' Ribs."

Across the street there could be a lingerie
store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret ", with sexy mannequins in the
window modeling the goods.

Next door to the lingerie shop there would be
room for an adult sex toy shop, "Koranal Knowledge ", its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called "Morehammered."

All of this would encourage the Muslims to
demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so the mosque problem would be solved.

Eric Frei · 26th January 2012, 08:55 PM

LOL, that's a ripper.

Then again, I'm an athiest and believe in no religion.

Eric Frei · 26th January 2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by derwoodii

Looks like Julia and Tony got a freedom of speech n to protest touch up today..

This is the news:-

PM, Abbott run protest gauntlet

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PM, Abbott run protest gauntlet
Lisa Martin And Katina Curtis
January 26, 2012 - 8:39PM

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott were forced to run a gauntlet of Aboriginal protesters after violent scenes marred an Australia Day medal ceremony.

About 200 protesters trapped Ms Gillard and Mr Abbott in a Canberra restaurant, where they were attending the inaugural national emergency medals ceremony, before police arrived to clear a passage for the pair.

The protesters, from the nearby Aboriginal tent embassy, banged on the three glass walls of The Lobby restaurant chanting "shame" and "racist".

On a day that many Aboriginal people consider "invasion day", they had taken offence at comments by Mr Abbott that the embassy may have reached its used-by date.

The embassy celebrates its 40-year anniversary on Friday and thousands of indigenous Australians have travelled to Canberra for a three-day "Corroboree for Sovereignty".

About 50 police, including the riot squad, were called to The Lobby shortly after 2.30pm (AEDT).

While trapped inside the restaurant, The Nine Network recorded Ms Gillard expressing her concern for Mr Abbott's safety.

"Okay, what about Mr Abbott? Where have you got him? We'd better help him through too, hadn't we?" she told her security guard when he informed her it wasn't safe to stay much longer.

Meeting up with Ms Gillard, Mr Abbott said he was concerned the glass windows would be smashed and asked when they would leave.

"They'll let us know. We'll just pull together," Ms Gillard reassured him.

The two leaders, protected by police and security officers, escaped out a side door after almost 20 minutes.

Ms Gillard stumbled and lost a navy-blue suede wedge shoe while running to her car.

The protesters later collected the shoe and proclaimed it as a trophy.

On the tent embassy's Facebook page there is a picture of Ms Gillard losing her shoe with the caption:

"What is losing a shoe compared to losing an entire continent?"

On Thursday morning Mr Abbott had said he understood why the tent embassy was set up "all those years ago".

"I think a lot has changed for the better since then," he told reporters in Sydney.

"I think the indigenous people of Australia can be very proud of the respect in which they are held by every Australian.

"I think a lot has changed since then, and I think it probably is time to move on from that."

Embassy founder Michael Anderson said the opposition leader's comments were disrespectful.

"Abbott said the Aboriginal embassy had to go. We heard it on a radio broadcast," he told AAP.

"We thought no way, so we circled around the building."

He said the protesters wanted the leaders to clarify their position and to know whether Mr Abbott was serious about removing the embassy.

"It's just madness on the part of Tony Abbott," Mr Anderson said.

"What he said amounts to inciting racial riots."

Indigenous leader Mick Gooda condemned the protesters' behaviour.

"While we need to acknowledge that there's a real anger, frustration and hurt that exists in some indigenous communities around Australia, we must not give in to aggressive and disrespectful actions ourselves," he said.

Ms Gillard, welcoming international ambassadors for a function at the Lodge on Thursday night, said she was fine.

"The only thing that angers me is that it distracted from such a wonderful event with great people from emergency services," she told AAP.

"I'm absolutely fine, I am made of pretty tough stuff and the police did a great job."

She refused to comment on whether Mr Abbott should apologise for offending the activists.

A spokesman for Mr Abbott said he would not retract his comments.

Police have said they will not make any arrests.

One of the medal recipients inside the restaurant, Tracy Griggs from Victoria, said she would not let the incident mar her day.

"I still know what I did on the day (during the 2009 Victorian fires) and the role I played," she told AAP.

The Aboriginal tent embassy had its origins opposite Old Parliament House in Canberra, on January 27, 1972.

Four men camped underneath a beach umbrella in protest of the McMahon Liberal government's refusal to recognise Aboriginal land rights.

Over the years the issues of sovereignty became central to the embassy's ongoing protest.

Hmmm, peaceful protest my ass.

They got their apology from Rudd, but not from me as I did nothing to them. I was born here no different to them, what came before my time from persons non related nor of same national origin I do not apologise, nor can I right any wrongs but I certainly can accept them.

We are all here to stay and I feel we are all of the same stature. I have great respect for their culture and their ways being the original true Australians but I should not have to apologise for being here myself or being different.

I see govts have been generous, have done fairly well for them in the last 30 years but that will always be criticised and open to spin doctoring. I know that an aboriginal born today has a far better life than that born prior to Capt Cook arriving and better than being abandoned to their cultural ways without intervention today.

Acceptance can only come from them. None of us are leaving.

bill24 · 26th January 2012, 10:30 PM

Of course the P.M.'s car has an Aussie flag on the front bonnet, maybe thats what stirred them up ?

I mean, who does she think she is, must be onside with the racists of W.A. if she allows that sort of scandalous behaviour !

Apocalypsse · 27th January 2012, 12:56 AM

Tony Abbot has been in the media quite a bit lately, all negative. Its strange seeing a politician go out of the box like this, especially said politician being the Opposition leader.

I missed the news today, did the PM (I just blanked and forgot her name) say "sorry" or what?

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Ms Gillard stumbled and lost a navy-blue suede wedge shoe while running to her car.

The protesters later collected the shoe and proclaimed it as a trophy.

Sounds like someone scored on Australia Day.

Eric Frei · 27th January 2012, 08:13 AM

It's a mess at the moment, no real leaders around, no vision, no idea.

I'd say the more patriotic would fly a flag, and they'd likely be the more ridgey didge Australian, you know, born here, BBQ's, meat pies, football etc. They'd likely have more definitive views and like Australia to be what they have known for their time here which on average would be their age.

So if the average age of a flag flyer is 35yo it is likely they have seen the negatives of migration policies etc. Seen whole areas like Cabramatta which has a movie coming out, seen the Cronulla riots, seen many things that form their views.

To simply say you do not like the way a group behaves, do not like their culture, do not like the way they assimilate is not racist just an observation but for those politically correct do-gooders they will get mileage out of everything.

Talk to any tradie about what it is like dealing with certain nationalities and they'll tell it to you the way it is, not racism but fact.

Eric Frei · 28th January 2012, 09:13 AM

Here's some video

Channel 9 News: Julia Gillard & Tony Abbott escorted to safety by police - YouTube

Now what sparked apparently was comments by Abbott taken the wrong way, in fact misconstrued.

Tent embassy should have packed up years ago: Carr

This just shows the typical mentality of a mob. Now they spit and burn our flag, imagine what would happen if I spit and burned their aboriginal flag in front of their embassy?

Now there is polls running in papers for packing up the Tent Embassy, flag burning becoming illegal etc.

Jeff Darby · 28th January 2012, 09:50 AM

I'm outraged by this !! bring these people to answer for this affront on the Prime Minister. Ugly mob mentality for sure. Arrest them and make them political prisoners.

Eric Frei · 28th January 2012, 10:01 AM

Well, they moved on all the Occupy protesters in major cities recently, so why should this MOB get preferential treatment?

As far as flag burning I voted no to making it illegal as to me it is a form of protest and not currently illegal in this country... no harm done really and if you think you can upset me by burning some cloth you are wrong.

Not that long ago a university dude burned Koran and Bible pages as a cigarette rolled up in a test to see which had better flavour, a major big deal for some .... not to me either.

So to make more rules and laws to protect an over emotional person to me is a folly, the people who want that should ..................

Perhaps if people developed themselves more the incidence of protest and the making of laws would all subside as intellect would overcome idiocy, that goes both for the lawmakers and troublemakers.

Jeff Darby · 28th January 2012, 10:17 AM

lols, a spoonful of cement in your mugachino...this what these protestors need, the living Australians of today did not take their land, they burn our flag when in reality they should burn the Union Jack, they got their apology...time to move on indigenous folks of Australia how long can you hold a grudge?

Apocalypsse · 28th January 2012, 01:16 PM

Reading more on that incident. The protesters thought the police used too much force in escorting the PM and Opp Leader away. What did they think was gonna happen when they surround the building the PM and Opp Leader is in, then proceed to scream and beat the windows and try and block their cars from leaving. They're lucky the police didn't arrest them. If that happened to Obama, the people jumping on the cars wouldn't be alive for long.

Now they want to take action against police and "...one officer in particular".

Eric Frei · 28th January 2012, 04:02 PM

Well I agree with the union jack, it was the Poms who stole their land not us, dang Pommy's making all that trouble for us!

I don't think the aboriginals even had a flag when the Poms took over.

Now listen, here's an interesting piece of scientific data. Definitely the aboriginals found this land. Source.

Quote:

DNA confirms Aboriginal culture one of Earth's oldest
By:AG Staff with AAP | September-23-2011

The first Aboriginal genome sequence confirms Australia's native people left Africa 75,000 years ago.

Aboriginal Australians are the oldest continuous culture on Earth, confirms a new genetic study. (Credit: Getty Images)

ABORIGINAL AUSTRALIANS ARE descendents of the first people to leave Africa up to 75,000 years ago, a genetic study has found, confirming they may have the oldest continuous culture on the planet.

Professor Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen, who led the study, says Aboriginal Australians were the first modern humans to traverse unknown territory in Asia and Australia. "It was a truly amazing journey that must have demanded exceptional survival skills and bravery," he says.

A century-old lock of hair, given by a West Australian indigenous man to an anthropologist, has led to the discovery that ancestors of Aboriginal Australians reached Asia at least 24,000 years before another wave of migration that populated Europe and Asia.

Experts from the University of Western Australia (UWA) and Murdoch University were part of an international team that analysed DNA from the hair, and found no hereditary material from European immigrants to Australia. This made the man's DNA a perfect candidate for looking at the history of Aboriginal migration.

Aboriginal Australians first to cross Asia

Studying his DNA, the researchers found that the ancestors of Australian Aboriginals had split from the first modern human populations to leave Africa, 64,000 to 75,000 years ago. Dr Joe Dortch, a scientist at UWA, says the discovery turns on its head the existing theory that Aboriginals arrived here less than 50,000 years ago. The findings are detailed today in the journal Science.

"[The discovery] strongly supports the idea that Aborigines were [part of] an early and separate wave of human expansion out of Africa, before the subsequent wave that established Europeans and Asians," says Professor Alan Cooper, director of the Australian Centre for Ancient DNA at the University of Adelaide. "However, while this is a major step forward, the key unresolved question remains the unique story of Aboriginal history within Australia."

"This new DNA study powerfully confirms that Aboriginal Australians are one of the oldest living populations in the world, certainly the oldest outside of Africa," agrees evolutionary biologist Professor Darren Curnoe of UNSW. "Australians are truly one of the world's great human populations and a very ancient one at that, with deep connections to the Australian continent and broader Asian region. About this now there can be no dispute."

Oldest living population in the world

In another study, in the American Journal of Human Genetics, researchers found that when these ancestors of Aboriginals crossed through Asia, they may have interbred with Siberian people known as the Denisovans.

For that study, DNA was extracted from a finger bone excavated in the freezing temperatures of Siberia to analyse the migration of people to tropical parts of Asia and Australia more than 40,000 years ago.

Examining DNA from the finger, researchers from the Harvard Medical School in the US and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany concluded that the Denisovans - a primitive group of humans descended from Neanderthals - migrated from Siberia to tropical parts of Asia. They contributed DNA to Aborigines along with present-day New Guineans and an indigenous tribe in the Philippines known as Mamanwa.

Aboriginal people had Siberian ancestors

To make the link between the Denisovans and indigenous Australians, the study looked at two Aboriginal populations, one of which was from the Northern Territory. The researchers concluded that Denisovans interbred with modern humans in South-East Asia 44,000 years ago, before Australia separated from Papua New Guinea.

"This paper helped fill in some empty pieces in the evolutionary puzzle that began after early humans left Africa, and reinforces the view that humans have intermixed throughout history," say the scientists behind the research in a summary of the findings.

"The study also confirms controversial claims that the ancestors of all living Eurasians interbred with the Neandertals, while past Asians/Oceanians also mated with the mysterious ancient humans from Denisova cave[s] in Siberia," comments Darren from UNSW. "This is clear and independent validation of DNA work on both these extinct humans [the Neanderthals and the Denisovans], confirming today's other big announcement about their deep connections to Australians and other indigenous people in our region."

kyRee Elain · 31st January 2012, 02:01 PM

????'em

Aboriginal culture may be the oldest currently on the planet which means the Aboriginal people who want to adhere to it are very primitive at worst or just super nostalgic at best. Unfortunately the world has moved on since 65,000 years ago and in that time I can't help but notice how little the Aboriginal culture has developed.

As for the Aussie Flag getting burnt and spat upon...what a lot of dumb????s!! They had to by that flag!! Well done you idiots! Reminds me of a bunch of anti-religious nutjobs burning the Koran and Bible...they had to go and BUY the things first!!

/end rant

Paul Toivonen · 31st January 2012, 03:44 PM

You are so right.
Was there not talk of it becoming an offence to burn the flag?
I wish Krudd had never apologised....

Eric Frei · 31st January 2012, 07:55 PM

I speculate that the lack of evolution displayed by Aboriginal may have come from isolation.

Being isolated on a continent means less need for innovation to overcome, something Islanders and Europeans had to do to survive. So they built weapons, ships, traded, made laws etc.

The aborigine at the very same time stayed pretty much the same.

So now they are struggling with a quantum leap in evolution but for most parts the modern day aborigine is educated, is working and is different. But that was not the case without our intervention.

24th January 2012, 08:17 PM	#3
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25th January 2012, 10:02 AM	#4
bill24 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Victoria, AUST. Posts: 148	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! Political correctness is out of control in this country, so what if the people that fly the flag have opinions, isn't that why we live in a democratic country where you have freedom of spe..........oops, sorry nearly forgot, you can't express to many opinions re anyones religion, sex preference, ethnicity etc. My grandfathers, both WWI vets, would roll in their graves if they could see some of this bullshit. People like Farida Fozdate could get far better respect from looking for positives in the community, not delving into irrelevancies to hinder assimilation. I sometimes wonder what the agenda is for studies like this, whats behind it, why would a University bother to fund it ?

25th January 2012, 10:30 AM	#5
Paul Toivonen Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AUS Posts: 131	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! You may as well say anyone flying an indigenous flag on AU day is racist. All these "studies" sound good on paper but arent worth using to wipe the rear end with.

25th January 2012, 08:47 PM	#8
Paul Toivonen Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AUS Posts: 131	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! That is Gold.

26th January 2012, 03:28 PM	#9
derwoodii Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 407	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! Take the test see how ya go Australian Citizenship – Australian citizenship practice test Hint, Never knew each state had its own constitution,, that be the feds and state public service duplicating red tape eh..

26th January 2012, 05:13 PM	#10
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,848	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! Each state has it's own sovereign right and others are permitted into that state (like federal bases etc) under agreement. This is why extradition is required for other states to hand over their crims etc. There is a lot of debate about Federal funding vs States etc, like health care .... should it be a State responsibility or Federal? Lots of dispute but you'd like to think some things were same and consistent Australia wide. Only this year has the Queensland education system come into alignment with the rest of the states, hopefully some smarter people come out of it. I blame Joh for that, an island isolationist mentality that gripped this state far too long, but he did balance the books better than some. Queensland is catching up, maybe there is hope for Tasmania yet! Oh, by the way, I got 16 out of 20 right straight off the bat. Not sure which ones I got wrong though, that software doesn't show you. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

26th January 2012, 08:30 PM	#12
Tony Knight Mature tree Join Date: May 2011 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 268	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! Hey, 2 outta 20 whats that get me (besides a row boat outta here). Nah 18, not sure the stuff up but will look into it. (The 1901 thing was a guess). Oi Oi Oi... Tony Last edited by Tony Knight; 26th January 2012 at 08:43 PM.

26th January 2012, 08:34 PM	#13
bill24 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Victoria, AUST. Posts: 148	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! I'm all for tolerance, and so should the rest of you blokes, in the name of tolerance I want you to support the following principles in your daily lives :- ********** Tolerance I am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against another mosque being built in " name yr town". I think it should be the goal of every Australian to be tolerant. Thus the Mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance. That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque. We could call one of the clubs, which would be gay, "The Turban Cowboy ", and the other a topless bar called "You Mecca Me Hot." Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbeque pork restaurant, called "Iraq o' Ribs." Across the street there could be a lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret ", with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the goods. Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, "Koranal Knowledge ", its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called "Morehammered." All of this would encourage the Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so the mosque problem would be solved.

26th January 2012, 08:55 PM	#14
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,848	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! LOL, that's a ripper. Then again, I'm an athiest and believe in no religion. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

26th January 2012, 10:30 PM	#16
bill24 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Victoria, AUST. Posts: 148	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! Of course the P.M.'s car has an Aussie flag on the front bonnet, maybe thats what stirred them up ? I mean, who does she think she is, must be onside with the racists of W.A. if she allows that sort of scandalous behaviour !

27th January 2012, 08:13 AM	#18
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,848	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! It's a mess at the moment, no real leaders around, no vision, no idea. I'd say the more patriotic would fly a flag, and they'd likely be the more ridgey didge Australian, you know, born here, BBQ's, meat pies, football etc. They'd likely have more definitive views and like Australia to be what they have known for their time here which on average would be their age. So if the average age of a flag flyer is 35yo it is likely they have seen the negatives of migration policies etc. Seen whole areas like Cabramatta which has a movie coming out, seen the Cronulla riots, seen many things that form their views. To simply say you do not like the way a group behaves, do not like their culture, do not like the way they assimilate is not racist just an observation but for those politically correct do-gooders they will get mileage out of everything. Talk to any tradie about what it is like dealing with certain nationalities and they'll tell it to you the way it is, not racism but fact. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

28th January 2012, 09:50 AM	#20
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,047	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! I'm outraged by this !! bring these people to answer for this affront on the Prime Minister. Ugly mob mentality for sure. Arrest them and make them political prisoners. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

28th January 2012, 10:01 AM	#21
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,848	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! Well, they moved on all the Occupy protesters in major cities recently, so why should this MOB get preferential treatment? As far as flag burning I voted no to making it illegal as to me it is a form of protest and not currently illegal in this country... no harm done really and if you think you can upset me by burning some cloth you are wrong. Not that long ago a university dude burned Koran and Bible pages as a cigarette rolled up in a test to see which had better flavour, a major big deal for some .... not to me either. So to make more rules and laws to protect an over emotional person to me is a folly, the people who want that should .................. Perhaps if people developed themselves more the incidence of protest and the making of laws would all subside as intellect would overcome idiocy, that goes both for the lawmakers and troublemakers. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

28th January 2012, 10:17 AM	#22
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,047	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! lols, a spoonful of cement in your mugachino...this what these protestors need, the living Australians of today did not take their land, they burn our flag when in reality they should burn the Union Jack, they got their apology...time to move on indigenous folks of Australia how long can you hold a grudge? __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

28th January 2012, 01:16 PM	#23
Apocalypsse Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 1,154	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! Reading more on that incident. The protesters thought the police used too much force in escorting the PM and Opp Leader away. What did they think was gonna happen when they surround the building the PM and Opp Leader is in, then proceed to scream and beat the windows and try and block their cars from leaving. They're lucky the police didn't arrest them. If that happened to Obama, the people jumping on the cars wouldn't be alive for long. Now they want to take action against police and "...one officer in particular".

31st January 2012, 02:01 PM	#25
kyRee Elain Sappling Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! ????'em Aboriginal culture may be the oldest currently on the planet which means the Aboriginal people who want to adhere to it are very primitive at worst or just super nostalgic at best. Unfortunately the world has moved on since 65,000 years ago and in that time I can't help but notice how little the Aboriginal culture has developed. As for the Aussie Flag getting burnt and spat upon...what a lot of dumb????s!! They had to by that flag!! Well done you idiots! Reminds me of a bunch of anti-religious nutjobs burning the Koran and Bible...they had to go and BUY the things first!! /end rant

31st January 2012, 03:44 PM	#26
Paul Toivonen Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AUS Posts: 131	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! You are so right. Was there not talk of it becoming an offence to burn the flag? I wish Krudd had never apologised....

31st January 2012, 07:55 PM	#27
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,848	Re: Fly an Aussie flag in your car? You might be racist! I speculate that the lack of evolution displayed by Aboriginal may have come from isolation. Being isolated on a continent means less need for innovation to overcome, something Islanders and Europeans had to do to survive. So they built weapons, ships, traded, made laws etc. The aborigine at the very same time stayed pretty much the same. So now they are struggling with a quantum leap in evolution but for most parts the modern day aborigine is educated, is working and is different. But that was not the case without our intervention. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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