fire situation out of control

Bruce Hopf · 11th February 2009, 07:19 AM

I heard on the News this morning, that they expect over 200 Deaths, because of the Fire. Watching everything that you have Worked Hard for all your Life must be Really Devastating. Bruce.

Jeff Darby · 11th February 2009, 09:18 AM

How sad is this, and no accident!, I could not deliberate on this case...I would string the perpetrator/s up by their short and curlies...maybe even burn them too!... Once proven beyond a doubt.

TrevMcRev · 11th February 2009, 09:41 PM

Bruce there are still so many unaccounted for and will take some time to sift through the carnage... it will go close to 300.

Pomie Backpacker · 11th February 2009, 10:41 PM

I Sit here watching the news everyday and the death toll keeps rising. There are some horrible stories on the news of people witnessing neighbours being trapped in their houses.

It hit's home when you are actually in Australia and this is happening basically just up the road from Melbourne.

Bad times

Drouin Tree Service · 11th February 2009, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pomme

Does any one know who to contact re aid. i don t just mean cash i am willing to get on a plane to help, i have family and friends in the region

GoVolunteer

pomme · 12th February 2009, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Official death toll now 181

'Money no issue' in bushfire rebuild: Brumby - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Coroner ready to receive bodies - Local News - News - General - The Canberra Times

And sadly amongst this tragedy is nut cases that reckon it's divine intervention.

Peter Costello slams cult's Victorian bushfire retribution claims | The Australian

FFS where do these people get off they are beyond belief

newguy18 · 12th February 2009, 08:07 AM

F-cking fanatics,they're just as bad as the arsonists imo.

StrictlyPalms · 12th February 2009, 08:54 AM

Easiest way for them to get Media attention. We have them here in the US too. Not really fanatics as much as Media hungry assholes who don't care how they get attention for their church.

Eric Frei · 12th February 2009, 09:01 PM

Council ignored warning over trees before Victoria bushfires

newguy18 · 13th February 2009, 12:30 AM

TrevMcRev · 13th February 2009, 05:46 PM

The wind has swung easterly today and blown all the smoke towards suburban melbourne. The sky now has gone grey all around and you can smell the smoke.

Drouin Tree Service · 13th February 2009, 08:59 PM

Going to be donating time and work platform to drop dead and dangerous trees for people rebuilding,Another guy i know will have a 23m tower.

Anyone interested in helping with this let me know on this thread.

TrevMcRev · 13th February 2009, 09:47 PM

Me & some crew might be able to come out & help, keep us up to date with when how where etc.

newguy18 · 14th February 2009, 12:12 AM

We had a few thousand acres of slash pine go up in flames back in 07,nothing as bad as this though,none died in the fires i speak off.Take care guys,be safe.

Q.Q. · 14th February 2009, 01:21 AM

We had smoke up here on thursday in Bollon and St George from the fires, long way too travel.

Green Wedge Ha, now because of there stupidity they have nothing left. I was just saying to Cindy on Sunday how I thought that us as a nation does not burn off enough like we use to.Might have to be a yearly event now I think,sections at a time.Get the fireries out though the week and do some burning.You only have to drive around out here and see the amount of dead fuel on the ground,trees,logs leaves grass,and cypruss pine trees,and that's just our road sides.Or get the councils to get of there arses and do some work.
As for the Arsonist's,Therrin and I would help with the firing squad I think

newguy18 · 14th February 2009, 12:06 PM

Shit,give me about an hour with them.

Eric Frei · 10th August 2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_lopa

Bit of wind around today and its flaring up a bit,god knows what would happen if we get more nth wind and hot days,just so many fires.

Pomme,mate theres not alot anyone can do,a relative of mine that recently passed away we have given his clothes in that was nice knowning that there needed.Its a very nice gesture mate if i something comes up ill let you know.

Sadly Sam the koala passed away.

Firefighter David Tree devastated at Sam the Koala&squo;s death | Herald Sun

Bruce Hopf · 10th August 2009, 09:29 PM

Very Sad thing to hear, and Sorry to here about this. She will be a symbol of hope, for generations to come, like Smokey the Bear has done over here in North America. Bruce.

Eric Frei · 19th January 2012, 07:52 PM

Scientific research loaded up as PDF

Newspaper article also below, non remnant vegetation is better and clearing to 40m away from house also better.

Clearing reduces risk of bushfire threat: study › News in Science (ABC Science)

Quote:

Clearing reduces risk of bushfire threat: study
Thursday, 19 January 2012

Clearing trees within 40 metres of a house is the most effective way to reduce the probability of it being destroyed in a bushfire, according to new research.

Bushfire scientist, Dr Geoff Cary of the Australian National University, and colleagues, report their findings today in the journal PLoS ONE.

"Our study showed that the characteristics and cover of the fuel closest to houses was more important than the effects of prescribed burning in reducing house loss," says Cary.

On 7 February 2009 more than 2000 homes were destroyed in a series of intense bushfires in southern Australia.

The so-called Black Saturday fires provided a rare opportunity to research the relative importance of different factors, especially bushfire fuel, in determining whether or not a house survives a fire.

Cary and colleagues looked at tree cover and type, the amount of prescribed burning, the distance between houses, the fire weather and the slope of the terrain.

"We used statistical modelling to determine the relative importance of these factors in determining whether a house was lost during the Black Saturday fires," says Cary.

The study, which involved 12,000 measurements from 500 houses affected by the fire, found that clearing trees from around a house was the most effective way of reducing this risk.

"Clearing vegetation around houses was at least twice as effective as recent prescribed burning in the near vicinity for protecting houses on Black Saturday," says Cary.

The researchers found tree cover close to houses varied from 90 per cent down to nearly zero.

When native tree cover was high, the probability of house loss was 60 per cent and this reduced to 30 per cent as the cover was reduced to zero, says Cary.

"Our study showed that the higher the cover of vegetation within 40 metres of a house, the higher the likelihood that it was destroyed," he says.

"There were a large number of houses which had high levels of tree cover and may not have been lost in those fires if the tree cover had been reduced."
Strategy

With the loss of life and property from bushfires forecast to increase due to population growth and climate change, there has been an increased effort to reduce available fuel.

For example, the 2009 Victorian Bushfires Royal Commission recommended prescribed burning to 5 per cent of public land.

Cary says there needs to be a shift away from broad-scale fuel reduction and a focus on removing fuel close to properties.

"The focus of prescribed burning is generally further away from houses," says Cary.

The new study found prescribed burning is likely to be most effective when carried out close to the house - as close as 500 metres, rather than many kilometres away.

It found that recent prescribed burning close to the house reduced the chance of house loss by 15 per cent, compared to prescribed burning that had been undertaken many kilometres away.
Vegetation choice

Cary acknowledges that many people are unlikely to clear all the trees around their house for aesthetic reasons or to preserve biodiversity or privacy.

He points out the probability of house loss was lower for planted vegetation, than for remnant native vegetation.

The research found a high cover of planted vegetation near the house correlated with a 40 per cent chance of the house being lost.

As the level of this vegetation cover approached zero, this risk fell to below 20 per cent.

Bushfire Urban Design expert Justin Leonard of CSIRO's Climate Adaptation Flagship agrees careful plant selection and garden design is important, and recommends using plants with low flammability that suit the local climate and if possible are native to the area.

He says people can consider using tools such as the CFA plant key to design their gardens.

Leonard says it is also important to design and maintain houses to protect them from embers and radiation.

But he agrees with Cary and team that the most effective thing to do is manage the vegetation around houses.

"The concept of vegetation closest to the building having the highest level of influence [on house loss] is highly consistent with our research," he says. "It is great to see other independent work confirming this."

Tony Knight · 19th January 2012, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Frei

108 dead and rising.

FOXNews.com - Neighbor of Australian Fire Victim: Arsonists 'Will Have to Pay' - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

120 picture gallery here, give a little time for it to load, maybe 15 seconds.

Victoria's killer fires | NEWS.com.au

Couple of pics that really stood out.

I didn't realise this thread existed until now, the top pic is on my place (place I managed), the bottom is from Labatouche looking west, my place is were the plum of smoke is. We worked like dogs for 3 days to keep the major assets. I'll did up the DVD and find a pic or 2 from the inside.

Cheers

Tony

Darrell Mcleod · 19th January 2012, 11:17 PM

Tell you what Tony

ever thought about a career as a photographer

treeshaveneeds · 19th January 2012, 11:49 PM

I agree with Darrell. Your pics are first rate - generally easier than tree work,

Tony Knight · 20th January 2012, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treeshaveneeds

I agree with Darrell. Your pics are first rate - generally easier than tree work,

Sorry can't take credit for these, a AAP (Australian Asociated Press) Photographer took the top one and I believe another press photographer too the bottom one. If I remember the top one (we call it Hells tree (thats the one to the right)) was the front page of the Hun Sunday. The pics I have of the fires themselves lack in quality somewhat as they were taken mostly by my neighbours (as they weren't affected, some with good cameras, some with phones ) and Sharon took some on her phone whilst in the shed with the dogs. I'll dig a couple up, whilst not as glossy they paint a clear picture iof the day.

Cheers

Tony

Darrell Mcleod · 20th January 2012, 10:30 PM

Hey mate

best you keep that chain saw going, chew the dust and enjoy the two stroke fumes then

when not hay bailing, looking after cattle, fixing fences, watching over pumps and being a farmer

just awesome pics though

Tony Knight · 26th January 2012, 05:53 AM

I threw some pics up in my pix thread here's the link

Cheers

Tony

11th February 2009, 07:19 AM	#31
Bruce Hopf Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North of Sebringville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,176	Re: fire situation out of control I heard on the News this morning, that they expect over 200 Deaths, because of the Fire. Watching everything that you have Worked Hard for all your Life must be Really Devastating. Bruce. __________________ McCulloch chain saws 1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's, 2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener, 1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver 2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10 Stihl chain saws 2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084, Strunk chain saws 1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

11th February 2009, 09:18 AM	#32
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Re: fire situation out of control How sad is this, and no accident!, I could not deliberate on this case...I would string the perpetrator/s up by their short and curlies...maybe even burn them too!... Once proven beyond a doubt. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

11th February 2009, 09:41 PM	#33
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: fire situation out of control Bruce there are still so many unaccounted for and will take some time to sift through the carnage... it will go close to 300.

11th February 2009, 10:41 PM	#34
Pomie Backpacker Sappling Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 5	Re: fire situation out of control I Sit here watching the news everyday and the death toll keeps rising. There are some horrible stories on the news of people witnessing neighbours being trapped in their houses. It hit's home when you are actually in Australia and this is happening basically just up the road from Melbourne. Bad times

12th February 2009, 08:07 AM	#37
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: fire situation out of control F-cking fanatics,they're just as bad as the arsonists imo. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

12th February 2009, 08:54 AM	#38
StrictlyPalms Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Orlando, Florida USA Posts: 177	Re: fire situation out of control Easiest way for them to get Media attention. We have them here in the US too. Not really fanatics as much as Media hungry assholes who don't care how they get attention for their church. __________________ Strictly Palms, Inc. Orlando, Florida USA

12th February 2009, 09:01 PM	#39
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: fire situation out of control Council ignored warning over trees before Victoria bushfires __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

13th February 2009, 12:30 AM	#40
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: fire situation out of control __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

13th February 2009, 05:46 PM	#41
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: fire situation out of control The wind has swung easterly today and blown all the smoke towards suburban melbourne. The sky now has gone grey all around and you can smell the smoke.

13th February 2009, 08:59 PM	#42
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	Re: fire situation out of control Going to be donating time and work platform to drop dead and dangerous trees for people rebuilding,Another guy i know will have a 23m tower. Anyone interested in helping with this let me know on this thread. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

13th February 2009, 09:47 PM	#43
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: fire situation out of control Me & some crew might be able to come out & help, keep us up to date with when how where etc.

14th February 2009, 12:12 AM	#44
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: fire situation out of control We had a few thousand acres of slash pine go up in flames back in 07,nothing as bad as this though,none died in the fires i speak off.Take care guys,be safe. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

14th February 2009, 01:21 AM	#45
Q.Q. Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western QLD. Australia Posts: 282	Re: fire situation out of control We had smoke up here on thursday in Bollon and St George from the fires, long way too travel. Green Wedge Ha, now because of there stupidity they have nothing left. I was just saying to Cindy on Sunday how I thought that us as a nation does not burn off enough like we use to.Might have to be a yearly event now I think,sections at a time.Get the fireries out though the week and do some burning.You only have to drive around out here and see the amount of dead fuel on the ground,trees,logs leaves grass,and cypruss pine trees,and that's just our road sides.Or get the councils to get of there arses and do some work. As for the Arsonist's,Therrin and I would help with the firing squad I think __________________ Q,Q's Tree & Garden Maintenance FAMILARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT

14th February 2009, 12:06 PM	#46
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: fire situation out of control Shit,give me about an hour with them. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

10th August 2009, 09:29 PM	#48
Bruce Hopf Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North of Sebringville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,176	Re: fire situation out of control Very Sad thing to hear, and Sorry to here about this. She will be a symbol of hope, for generations to come, like Smokey the Bear has done over here in North America. Bruce. __________________ McCulloch chain saws 1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's, 2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener, 1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver 2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10 Stihl chain saws 2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084, Strunk chain saws 1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

19th January 2012, 11:49 PM	#52
treeshaveneeds Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,399	Re: fire situation out of control I agree with Darrell. Your pics are first rate - generally easier than tree work, __________________ My business: Tree Pruning and Removals -- Strump Removals -- Advice -- Consulting -- Arborist Reports Consulting Forester If you want an honest opinion, call Brent Ferris...because, Trees want to Live Too ! We do great jobs, even in small yards. Free Estimates Oakville to Oshawa - North to Bradford (Will travel further if cost of travelling covered) Email -- treeshaveneeds@3web.com Cell 416-460-5704

19th January 2012, 11:17 PM	#51
Darrell Mcleod Mature tree Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Victoria Australia Posts: 242	Re: fire situation out of control Tell you what Tony ever thought about a career as a photographer

20th January 2012, 10:30 PM	#54
Darrell Mcleod Mature tree Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Victoria Australia Posts: 242	Re: fire situation out of control Hey mate best you keep that chain saw going, chew the dust and enjoy the two stroke fumes then when not hay bailing, looking after cattle, fixing fences, watching over pumps and being a farmer just awesome pics though

26th January 2012, 05:53 AM	#55
Tony Knight Mature tree Join Date: May 2011 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 271	Re: fire situation out of control I threw some pics up in my pix thread here's the link Cheers Tony

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