Do ghosts exist?

Crow Horse · 13th March 2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Well you need to ask your spirit guides.

They say you're a ista gonge wicasa, but maybe only need ista maza.....

Eric Frei · 13th March 2010, 07:59 AM

You been playing World of Warcraft again?

newguy18 · 13th March 2010, 02:19 PM

Ah the age old debate of do ghosts exist?With shows like the ghost hunters more people believe but i think its all staged,my reasoning is all the equipment they have to setup,come on how hard would it be for them to setup a few recodings,some fake videos or make some chairs move?until something happens to make me believe i refuse to accept that ghosts exist,and yes i played with ouija boards and all that crap,waste of time.Eric very funny cartoon btw.

Bruce Hopf · 13th March 2010, 02:25 PM

Low and behold, like a Ghost, appears, and he is named Bill.

. Where have you been NG18? Bruce

newguy18 · 13th March 2010, 02:34 PM

Very,very busy,i've had alot going on lately.

Bruce Hopf · 13th March 2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Very,very busy,i've had alot going on lately.

Glad to see you are back, and doing well. Have a good one. Bruce.

newguy18 · 13th March 2010, 02:37 PM

Thanks Bruce,you stay safe too.

Eric Frei · 13th March 2010, 04:57 PM

I think my spirit guides summonsed him.

Crow Horse · 13th March 2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Ah the age old debate of do ghosts exist?With shows like the ghost hunters more people believe but i think its all staged,my reasoning is all the equipment they have to setup,come on how hard would it be for them to setup a few recodings,some fake videos or make some chairs move?until something happens to make me believe i refuse to accept that ghosts exist,and yes i played with ouija boards and all that crap,waste of time.Eric very funny cartoon btw.

It would probably be easy to stage an event at the risk of jeopardizing the shows "credibility" (if one is to assume it has some credibility). All it would take would be one leak and their house of cards would collapse...

Just curious, as I'm reading it, you never had an experience that couldn't be explained away by science or conventional reasoning?

banner · 14th March 2010, 12:09 AM

If thers's a market it will be exploited.

Crow Horse · 14th March 2010, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by banner

If thers's a market it will be exploited.

The trick is to cull out the phonies......

clementine · 14th March 2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Done it

ista gonge wicasa.

kl Wacekiye wicasa woglake tokeca iyapi!

Iye sni ista gonge, iye wayate enana!

banner · 14th March 2010, 01:52 AM

That's correct, problem is I don't get paid to cull. "Show me the money".
Trusting people that indulge in fascination are targets to exploit. Culling is difficult and time consuming and frequenty enough dangerous, like being a snake handler. Nations and peoples have been enslaved and exploited by this marketing skill. Don't ever think we can't be outsmarted. Education is the core of evolution be it to our best interest or not it's innate to all life.

Crow Horse · 14th March 2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by banner

"Show me the money".

Yes, the money would have to be in undeniable, irrefutable, and reproducible results......

Done it · 15th March 2010, 12:09 AM

Hey Clem, you've got way too much time on your hands.

But I think you're right.

clementine · 15th March 2010, 12:46 AM

You too then if you think I'm right!

newguy18 · 15th March 2010, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crow Horse

It would probably be easy to stage an event at the risk of jeopardizing the shows "credibility" (if one is to assume it has some credibility). All it would take would be one leak and their house of cards would collapse...

Just curious, as I'm reading it, you never had an experience that couldn't be explained away by science or conventional reasoning?

Nope,not one.

Done it · 15th March 2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by clementine

You too then if you think I'm right!

No, I'm too busy. I just got a friend to do it for me.

Jeff Darby · 16th March 2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Done it

No, I'm too busy. I just got a friend to do it for me.

I'd like to be the ghost that whispers into her ear...

TrevMcRev · 17th March 2010, 12:11 AM

I've ignored this thread till now...

Just read the whole thing (slow TV night!)

Eric Frei · 1st May 2010, 09:37 PM

Here we go.

Some ""breatharian" reckons he's only lived on air (no food or water) for 70 years+

And now science has to sort his spiritual claims out, or should I say prove him a fraud.

Man claims he ate, drank nothing for 70 years | Herald Sun

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SCIENTISTS are studying an 82-year-old man who claims he has not had any food or drink for 70 years.

Prahlad Jani’s claims are being put to the test at a hospital in Ahmedabad, where he is being closely monitored and studied by India’s Defence Research Development Organisation, which believes he may have a quality which could help save lives, The Telegraph reports.

He has so far spent six days without food or water under the strict observation of doctors who say his body is yet to show any signs of hunger or dehydration.

Mr Jani is regarded as a "breatharian" who can live a "spiritual life-force" alone. He believes he is sustained by the "elixir" of a goddess.

The research organisation believes Mr Jani could hold the key to helping soldiers or disaster victims survive without food for longer periods in times of crisis.

"If his claims are verified, it will be a breakthrough in medical science," said Dr G Ilavazhagan, director of the Defence Institute of Physiology & Allied Sciences.

"We will be able to help save human lives during natural disasters, high altitude, sea journeys and other natural and human extremities. We can educate people about the survival techniques in adverse conditions with little food and water or nothing at all."

However, others have dismissed Mr Jani as a "village fraud".

Leading Australian nutritionist, Dr Joanna McMillan Price, said the study was a dangerous and pointless exercise.

"What’s the point? To show spiritual strength? You would struggle to go for more than a week without water and without food, your body starts to break down muscle, eventually attacking the heart muscles needed to provide energy to the brain until ultimately you have a heart attack and you die," she said.

Dr McMillan Price says Mr Jani's beliefs probably helped him overcome basic survival instincts but would not physically sustain him.

"Your spiritual beliefs can give mental strength but the idea that spirituality can replace food and water is ludicrous," she said.

"He would certainly be fighting strong physiological responses. Your body starts getting pretty strong hunger pangs after a few days because your brain is telling you that you need to eat or you’ll die."

Dr McMillan Price said she couldn't see Mr Jani lasting any more than a few extra days without water and she said his fasting gave the wrong message.

"The determination he’s showing is certainly a nice message but I really think it could be put to better use than to go without food and water," she said.

Done it · 1st May 2010, 10:21 PM

Don't tell me they're back. I haven't heard of Breatharianism in years, it went a bit quiet after a few deaths. There was one I heard about in Sydney about 5 or 6 years ago, it's not in here. Breatharianism

Hightrax · 2nd May 2010, 03:25 AM

I have a house in Harris Park, Sydney, that was built about 1830. It has been a rental, and so quite a few people have lived in it. Some of my tenants have moved out very hurriedly. It has three resident ghosts/spirits, a middle aged lady, an old woman and a small dog. The middle aged lady likes to appear and have chat now and again. She introduces herself as Thelma Harrison. She wears a long floor length black dress, a white blouse and has her hair gathered in a bun. She appeared to an old lady just down the road not so long ago on the same night as joining in a polite discussion with the Maori people. The interesting thing is the old lady who she appeared to that night (who shooed her with a broom) (Mrs Amy King) knew her when she was a little girl before WW1. Said so.
Thelma is a sweetie, though, not a chain dragger. She was a "lady's companion" who got a small retainer and free food and accommodation for looking after the old lady. They had a little dog, too.
My last tenants were Maoris, who recognise ghosts and dont have a problem with them. She appeared a number of times to them, the last while one was washing up. She had a tea towel over her shoulder and offered to help.

A Lebanese family moved in next door a year ago and they bolted. Reports are that the two ladies and a the dog kept appearing as they walked up the steet at night, sometimes tapping the ladies on the shoulder for a chat!
I have not met her, though I sleep in the house when working there. I do feel anxiety, a bit,even though there really is nothing to fear. Wonder how I will react. Some experts in spirit communication have all told me the ghosts are not actally aware they are dead, often. There is no dimension of time in the spirit state according to spirit seers and the Bible.

Had a mate who was member of the skeptics years ago, a Uni fellow. Well he denied any possible existence of ghosts vociferously, but I challenged him. There is an old pub near the Victorian border where over 30 people were murdered for their money in the stables by the publican last century. It is one of the worst haunts in Australia, Ive read. Two academic guys decided it was hooey and had themselves locked in there for the night. When they were let out they were raving, shaking, terrified, white as sheets. One had to be admitted to a mental hospital and the other one committed suicide soon after. I offered Joe a thousand dollars cash if he could stay in there for one night. If he came out he had to pay me a thousand dollars instead . He wouldnt do it. Nuff said?

Eric Frei · 2nd May 2010, 09:11 AM

Well, if people can see them so can cameras.

Crow Horse · 2nd May 2010, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Well, if people can see them so can cameras.

Probably, but not necessarily. Similar to EVP's, where disembodied voices are not heard by the human ear yet register on voice recorders. The reverse might sometimes be true with video recording. Full spectrum photography seems to address this.....

clementine · 3rd May 2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hightrax

I offered Joe a thousand dollars cash if he could stay in there for one night. If he came out he had to pay me a thousand dollars instead . He wouldnt do it. Nuff said?

Pay my fare over, food and booze and other lodgings and the $1000 and I'll stick it for a night no worries!

Eric Frei · 17th March 2011, 10:38 AM

Of course familiarity with humans, the location and trust of humans who have cared for the old koala has nothing to do with it, all has to be psychic mumbo jumbo eh.

Shhh ... It's a koala whisperer | Warwick Pets | Animal and Dog News in Warwick | Warwick Daily News

YouTube - Animal Whispering to Koala in Wrong Tree - by K and Dr Michael of Connect with Spirit

newguy18 · 17th March 2011, 02:18 PM

Hey no fair, I want to be the next animal whisperer. I'm gonna be the crow horse whisperer.

Jeff Darby · 17th March 2011, 06:04 PM

Here we go people, tell me what this is ???

This white glow near or coming from my TV was noticed after the picture was taken, it was not the reason we took the photo ??

Eric Frei · 17th March 2011, 09:38 PM

Definitely a ghost .... couldn't be anything else, those parallel rings on the outer have nothing to do with lens flare and the emanation could no way be reflection of light (coming through the window) off the flat screen TV. Nah, that explanation just couldn't cut it, so definitely ghosts.

View Poll Results: do you believe in ghosts?
Yes	33	55.93%
no	26	44.07%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

13th March 2010, 07:59 AM	#152
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13th March 2010, 02:19 PM	#153
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Do ghosts exist? Ah the age old debate of do ghosts exist?With shows like the ghost hunters more people believe but i think its all staged,my reasoning is all the equipment they have to setup,come on how hard would it be for them to setup a few recodings,some fake videos or make some chairs move?until something happens to make me believe i refuse to accept that ghosts exist,and yes i played with ouija boards and all that crap,waste of time.Eric very funny cartoon btw. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

13th March 2010, 02:25 PM	#154
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13th March 2010, 02:37 PM	#157
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13th March 2010, 04:57 PM	#158
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Do ghosts exist? I think my spirit guides summonsed him. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

14th March 2010, 12:09 AM	#160
banner Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kentucky....oh yeah baby Posts: 135	Re: Do ghosts exist? If thers's a market it will be exploited.

14th March 2010, 01:52 AM	#163
banner Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kentucky....oh yeah baby Posts: 135	Re: Do ghosts exist? That's correct, problem is I don't get paid to cull. "Show me the money". Trusting people that indulge in fascination are targets to exploit. Culling is difficult and time consuming and frequenty enough dangerous, like being a snake handler. Nations and peoples have been enslaved and exploited by this marketing skill. Don't ever think we can't be outsmarted. Education is the core of evolution be it to our best interest or not it's innate to all life.

15th March 2010, 12:09 AM	#165
Done it Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Australia. Posts: 784	Re: Do ghosts exist? Hey Clem, you've got way too much time on your hands. But I think you're right.

15th March 2010, 12:46 AM	#166
clementine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Shropshire, UK Posts: 509	Re: Do ghosts exist? You too then if you think I'm right! __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons - for you are crunchy and taste of chicken!

17th March 2010, 12:11 AM	#170
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: Do ghosts exist? I've ignored this thread till now... Just read the whole thing (slow TV night!)

1st May 2010, 10:21 PM	#172
Done it Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Australia. Posts: 784	Re: Do ghosts exist? Don't tell me they're back. I haven't heard of Breatharianism in years, it went a bit quiet after a few deaths. There was one I heard about in Sydney about 5 or 6 years ago, it's not in here. Breatharianism

2nd May 2010, 03:25 AM	#173
Hightrax Sappling Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 13	Re: Do ghosts exist? I have a house in Harris Park, Sydney, that was built about 1830. It has been a rental, and so quite a few people have lived in it. Some of my tenants have moved out very hurriedly. It has three resident ghosts/spirits, a middle aged lady, an old woman and a small dog. The middle aged lady likes to appear and have chat now and again. She introduces herself as Thelma Harrison. She wears a long floor length black dress, a white blouse and has her hair gathered in a bun. She appeared to an old lady just down the road not so long ago on the same night as joining in a polite discussion with the Maori people. The interesting thing is the old lady who she appeared to that night (who shooed her with a broom) (Mrs Amy King) knew her when she was a little girl before WW1. Said so. Thelma is a sweetie, though, not a chain dragger. She was a "lady's companion" who got a small retainer and free food and accommodation for looking after the old lady. They had a little dog, too. My last tenants were Maoris, who recognise ghosts and dont have a problem with them. She appeared a number of times to them, the last while one was washing up. She had a tea towel over her shoulder and offered to help. A Lebanese family moved in next door a year ago and they bolted. Reports are that the two ladies and a the dog kept appearing as they walked up the steet at night, sometimes tapping the ladies on the shoulder for a chat! I have not met her, though I sleep in the house when working there. I do feel anxiety, a bit,even though there really is nothing to fear. Wonder how I will react. Some experts in spirit communication have all told me the ghosts are not actally aware they are dead, often. There is no dimension of time in the spirit state according to spirit seers and the Bible. Had a mate who was member of the skeptics years ago, a Uni fellow. Well he denied any possible existence of ghosts vociferously, but I challenged him. There is an old pub near the Victorian border where over 30 people were murdered for their money in the stables by the publican last century. It is one of the worst haunts in Australia, Ive read. Two academic guys decided it was hooey and had themselves locked in there for the night. When they were let out they were raving, shaking, terrified, white as sheets. One had to be admitted to a mental hospital and the other one committed suicide soon after. I offered Joe a thousand dollars cash if he could stay in there for one night. If he came out he had to pay me a thousand dollars instead . He wouldnt do it. Nuff said?

2nd May 2010, 09:11 AM	#174
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17th March 2011, 02:18 PM	#178
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Do ghosts exist? Hey no fair, I want to be the next animal whisperer. I'm gonna be the crow horse whisperer. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

17th March 2011, 06:04 PM	#179
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Re: Do ghosts exist? Here we go people, tell me what this is ??? This white glow near or coming from my TV was noticed after the picture was taken, it was not the reason we took the photo ?? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011 Last edited by Jeff Darby; 17th March 2011 at 06:41 PM. Reason: added more info

17th March 2011, 09:38 PM	#180
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Do ghosts exist? Definitely a ghost .... couldn't be anything else, those parallel rings on the outer have nothing to do with lens flare and the emanation could no way be reflection of light (coming through the window) off the flat screen TV. Nah, that explanation just couldn't cut it, so definitely ghosts. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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