Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll

Eric Frei · 1st June 2011, 09:12 PM

The question is:- Do UFO's and aliens exist? Yes or No. Vote.

In a similar thread we have a poll about ghosts:-

Do ghosts exist?

And more people believe in ghosts than not.

You cant really have UFO's without Aliens, whether the craft are manned or not the context is the craft are from another planet and/or intelligent species (microbes etc excluded). So for this thread aliens and UFO's go hand in hand.

If you have your own experience do share it, but I suppose you need to have thick skin to deal with any criticism you get.

The question is:- Do UFO's and aliens exist? Yes or No. Vote.

Jeff Darby · 1st June 2011, 09:48 PM

I think we all spent countless hours while we were growing up starring at the night sky...wondering if aliens exist ? well maybe they do maybe they dont...but I do know were to find some bonafide klingons.....guess where...lol..

I saw some thing years ago in the night sky, what it was I do not know...."The answer is out there"

Rob Chace · 1st June 2011, 09:52 PM

errr what about highly probable but not 100% sure... well thats my vote anyway.

Eric Frei · 1st June 2011, 09:53 PM

What's the Starship Enterprise and toilet paper got in common?

Both circle Uranus looking for Cling-ons.

Eric Frei · 1st June 2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Robstar

errr what about highly probable but not 100% sure... well thats my vote anyway.

No fence sitting grey area here, you are in or out, black or white, no hedging bets.

Rob Chace · 1st June 2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

No fence sitting grey area here, you are in or out, black or white, no hedging bets.

or i'll go a split 0-2 and middle columns and first twelve....

or just yes.

derwoodii · 1st June 2011, 11:27 PM

Be assured. There is nothing out there. Governments are not hiding anything. All is well. There is nothing to be seen. Do not ask questions. You will have pancakes for supper.

Gort Klaatu barada nikto.

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2011, 06:33 AM

You can see the trend developing, along with ghosts and aliens no wonder the world is in the state it is with such belief systems.

Now only if I could marry up the ghost believers with alien believers, I reckon they're the same people for most parts.

And then may I be so bold as to test these peoples analytical and critical thinking skills along with IQ and see if they're just gullible?

Here's a good site.

Wake-up call on alien visits

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Wake-up call on alien visits
By Stephen Pincock

Over the past 30 years or so thousands of people around the world have reported being abducted by aliens. The basics of their experiences are familiar to us all, courtesy of a host of television shows and documentaries.

It goes something like this: one moment they were lying in bed or driving along a lonely road, and the next they'd been whisked away to a flying saucer and subjected to shocking experiments by extraterrestrials with big heads, almond eyes and slits for nostrils.

The people who report such visitations are utterly convinced they happened, but there is no evidence that aliens have ever been on the planet. In an effort to understand this disparity, researchers have been studying the psychology of alien abductees, with some revealing results.

A recent study was reported by Professor Chris French, head of the Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit at Goldsmiths College, University of London.

French and his colleagues wanted to compare the psychology of a group of 19 people who believed they had had experiences of alien encounters and another group of 19 age-and gender-matched people who hadn't. The team subjected all the people to tests that measured their tendency to have paranormal beliefs and hallucinations, the ease with which they become engrossed in experiences and their propensity to enter into altered states of consciousness.

On all those scales, the 19 who said they had experiences of alien encounters scored significantly higher than the control group.

"What was interesting was that the 'experiencers' scored more highly for paranormal beliefs and other paranormal experiences," French says. "It's not just that these people have one-off experiences - they have a range of them."

The researchers also asked the subjects if they had experienced a little-known phenomenon called sleep paralysis, a condition that takes place when our sleep cycles slip out of synchronisation. Rather than moving easily between sleeping and waking, we get caught midway.

The result is that our mind "wakes up" before our body does, leaving us in a dreamlike state, unable to move. This is something that about 40 per cent of the population is said to experience at least once in their lives, and is often associated with hallucinations, a feeling that some malevolent person or thing is in the room with you, and a sense of a crushing weight on your chest.

"It all seems very real and it's very, very frightening," French says. "But what is happening is that people are still in a kind of REM sleep - the kind associated with dreams - which is coming through into consciousness."

Most people who experience sleep paralysis shrug it off, but a fraction are more concerned about the experience. In some cultures, the phenomenon has been thought of as a sign that evil spirits or other nasties have taken over your body.

In our high-tech world we scoff at the idea of evil spirits. But some people who experience sleep paralysis associate it with alien abduction, as Susan Clancy, a psychology researcher from Harvard University, describes in her recent book Abducted: How People Come to Believe They Were Kidnapped by Aliens.

She recounts stories told to her by several people who think they were abducted. James, a 50-year-old dermatologist, described it like this: "I found myself waking up in the middle of the night, seized with fear. There were beings standing around my bed, but I was totally paralysed, incapable of moving. I felt surges of electricity shooting through my body."

For researchers such as Clancy and French, this sounds a lot like sleep paralysis. They see alien abduction as part of a wider matrix of paranormal experiences, such as seeing ghosts and past-life memories.

Clancy says most people she has spoken to who think they have had encounters with aliens don't initially have memories of the experience. They "simply believed that they'd been abducted", she writes.

In many cases, those who do acquire memories do so after undergoing techniques such as hypnosis, regression therapy or guided imagery designed to help them "retrieve" their memories of events. These processes can create memories of things that never happened.

Even without hypnosis, false memories can be generated in the right person, Clancy notes. The key factor is protracted imagining of an event in the presence of an authority figure who encourages belief in the memories that emerge. This, she says, is what happens when alien abductees fall into the hands of abduction researchers who help them "recover" abduction memories.

"We've all seen The X Files, we know what alien abduction is supposed to be like," French says. "So people weave together their expectations, beliefs and so on into what they convince themselves is true." For people who have the psychological profile he found among his alien experiencers, this may be an easier task than for others.

French goes further and hypothesises that at least in some cases, childhood trauma such as sexual abuse, physical abuse or terrible illness may trigger a kind of psychological coping mechanism that allows people to become absorbed in a fantasy life as a way of escaping from unpleasant reality.

derwoodii · 2nd June 2011, 06:04 PM

The advent of the Internet has brought good and bad. Sadly the bad are now getting their views out to many gullible fools, they seem to be growing in numbers.
The persuasive writing techniques cause me alarm. They as so slick these days leading even the most sharp minded down a path where at its end only agreement with the premise can be made.
I suspect were going to have go along with this a few years until bottoms out and the conspiracy writers run out of ideas and their reader begin to doubt as story after story runs out of puff and truthfulness.

sorry my last twas feeling a bit glib just joking

James Sayers · 2nd June 2011, 06:09 PM

if we where so small minded to think we where the only planet out there with life ,then we must all belive in god then no .As how would u explain life only on earth

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pomie

if we where so small minded to think we where the only planet out there with life ,then we must all belive in god then no .As how would u explain life only on earth

That's already been explained over and over, but ......

1 billion+ people still believe a virgin (Mary) gave birth to a guy (Jesus) who is the son of God, who died on a cross like hundreds of others coz that's what they did back then but ......

Rose from the dead but then decided to go back to heaven .... very believable with billions of followers.

You ought to see what another or so billion people believe in, there's many religions.

We are talking UFO's, abductions, sightings and aliens here. Not the possibility of it but the fact, an intelligent life form likely further advanced than us with these space ships buzzing us.

Jeff Darby · 2nd June 2011, 07:24 PM

Space the final frontier... YouTube - ‪Star Trek - TV intro (season 1) (1966)‬&rlm; enjoy you non believers..

tell Spock he doesnt exist...

Drouin Tree Service · 2nd June 2011, 07:30 PM

Jeff Darby · 2nd June 2011, 07:57 PM

Trust Lopa to find a alien...

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JayD

Space the final frontier... YouTube - ‪Star Trek - TV intro (season 1) (1966)‬&rlm; enjoy you non believers..

tell Spock he doesnt exist...

LOL,And you are not alone, many confuse science fiction with real science.

And USA too realises space is the final frontier as it cancels the Space shuttle missions, one to go in July and lights out.

PATTERSON: Requiem for a space program - Washington Times

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May 30, 2011
Even before Apollo 11 blasted off in July 1969, Vice President Spiro Agnew predicted that America would put a man on Mars by the end of the 20th century; he would not be the last to blithely assume that Mars (and beyond) represented the next and inevitable stage in human colonization.

Some, including physicist Stephen Hawking, have argued that transplanet habitation is indeed the only way to ensure the long-term survival of our species, as our current home will not remain lush and verdant forever. Not to worry, says NASA Administrator Michael D. Griffin, who once told the editors at the Washington Post that one day, “there will be more human beings who live off the Earth than on it. … We may have people living on the moons of Jupiter and other planets.”

Really? Our fascination with the exploration of our own moon lasted only from 1961 until 1972, when the Apollo program was canceled because of lack of public interest. George W. Bush’s proposed return mission, Constellation, was nixed by his successor. The space shuttle program is winding down with a whimper; after Atlantis makes one more foray into the heavens in July, the United States will once again be an earthbound nation.

This no doubt distresses optimists who have long foreseen American shopping malls on the red planet but have failed to understand the unique cultural context in which the U.S. space program was born - manned space exploration was entirely a Cold War creature, only one aspect of the multifaceted competition between superpowers for the hearts and minds of the world’s peoples.

Sputnik, the first artificial satellite, was launched in 1957 and became a major public-relations coup for the Soviets, who boasted that the technological marvel proved the superiority of their political system. Americans shuddered to think that a Soviet surrogate hovered over them in the night sky, and that anxiety drove them to up the ante and beat the Soviets to the moon in 1969, an unprecedented feat of engineering that reaped untold propaganda rewards for the United States.

But America wasn’t finished. In the 1980s, President Reagan threatened to weaponize space with his proposed Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), a satellite-based system for targeting and destroying incoming missile attacks. Many of Reagan’s domestic critics scoffed at the possibility that it could work, but the Soviets were not so sure - after Apollo, they had ceased to doubt American ingenuity in matters of space.

SDI was a crucial bargaining chip that Reagan played masterfully in his negotiations with the Soviets. In the end, they concluded they couldn’t keep up with a terrestrial arms race with the United States, let alone another space race. Within a few years, the Cold War was won, and America’s supremacy in space had proved key to the U.S. victory.

Yet when the Soviet threat vanished, so, too, did the raison d’etre for the U.S. space program. Shuttle missions became boring and routine, with not a few Americans wondering what we were getting out of such a costly and dangerous enterprise. NASA struggled to find a clear mission and regain the reverence it had once enjoyed.

Then the first decade of the 21st century gave us an enemy that lurked in caves, not orbit. And debt driven by entitlement promises made in the 1930s and 1960s began to overwhelm the nation’s finances even as two presidents, one from each party, foolishly added to them. Now, in 2011, not only is there no reason for a space program, there is no money for one, either.

Countries that require billions of borrowed dollars each day to meet their obligations soon have trouble projecting power across the globe, much less the stars. Countries that carry $14 trillion in debt do not go to Mars - they hide from creditors and, maybe quietly, maybe messily, expire.

The billions of dollars spent simply are not worth it.

Fields of dishes waiting for a signal, not worth it.

Yes, the governments have appeased the alien fantasy whilst millions are homeless and starving, and not one shred of solid evidence after that sort of money has been spent at that level of scientific research.

The one thing that has paid off is the Hubble Space Telescope which took a picture called The Eye of God.

All this technology and hello, Mr Ordinary sees space ships and little green men.

Jeff Darby · 2nd June 2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

LOL,And you are not alone, many confuse science fiction with real science.

Oh please...lol !...

Mans imagination went hand in hand with real science to get man into space. So science fiction has a parallel with real science.

Drouin Tree Service · 2nd June 2011, 08:31 PM

If they are out there and so advanced(like the movies) i don't think they will bother with us IMHO

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2011, 10:42 PM

Back in 1500, like 500 years ago an Italian fella named Leonardo DaVinci was around, he pioneered some contraptions.

500 years ago, a tank, parachute, and a glider ... I do not believe people back then would have known the words "science fiction".

But even long before him the Chinese were already using rockets, we're talking 6th century.

But of course many have trouble remembering much beyond their birth date so that's why history has to repeat itself so often and what was once old is new again.

What about Plato and Aristotle, those fellas were around like 300BC.

Are you getting this into perspective now? There's centuries of time to reflect on ideas and concepts to refine them, and many by people who were already noticed as "different".

However to assume that due to a movie like say http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4219259/the_fly_1986_movie_trailers/, teleporting is possible just needs to be more hygienic is nonsense.

There's plenty of others, Time Tunnel, Sliders, Stargate, The Time Machine and of course my favourites like Alien, Predator etc

Jeff Darby · 2nd June 2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

Back in 1500, like 500 years ago an Italian fella named Leonardo DaVinci was around, he pioneered some contraptions.

500 years ago, a tank, parachute, and a glider ... I do not believe people back then would have known the words "science fiction".

his contraptions came from his imagination, his dreams, who really knows because the living connection is long since passed. However I put forward his imagination was his sci fi, but the people of the day probably seen it as witchcraft ?

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

even long before him the Chinese were already using rockets, we're talking 6th century

The Chinese have forgotten many inventions, I remember seeing a documentary on how the chinese invented the clock and forgot about it. Also mass rocket launchers only the rockets were spears.

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

of course many have trouble remembering much beyond their birth date so that's why history has to repeat itself so often and what was once old is new again.

Sadly this is true. just look at todays hairstyles for men they reflect the styles of the fifties.

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

about Plato and Aristotle, those fellas were around like 300BC.

Are you getting this into perspective now? There's centuries of time to reflect on ideas and concepts to refine them, and many by people who were already noticed as "different".

and they were persecuted for being "different" aswell...being different scares those who are not.

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

to assume that due to a movie like say The Fly, teleporting is possible just needs to be more hygienic is nonsense.

There's plenty of others, Time Tunnel, Sliders, Stargate, The Time Machine and of course my favourites like Alien, Predator etc

Dont forget Quantum Leap. Very entertaining, I enjoyed watching all of the ones you mentioned... Remember the eloi and morlocks from The Time Machine where one farmed the other for food..far fetched? who knows cause we have not had the war to wipe everything out yet for some thing like this to evolve.

I know your a man that likes the facts, I too look for the facts to make sense out of things.

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2011, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JayD

I too look for the facts to make sense out of things.

Really? Ghosts and UFO's. Show me the facts.

Jeff Darby · 3rd June 2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

Really? Ghosts and UFO's. Show me the facts.

Please do not mis understand me. I can not vote yes or no, for I have observed both in my life time. Do I believe in them, part of me says well you did see these things once a long time ago but nothing since ???.

The ghost episode could possibly be explained by to much alcohol ? How ever when you mention what you saw at the breakfast table and another persons jaw drops and pipes up and says they seen the same thing....well, one person halucinating is one thing but two people with the same experience it makes you wonder. The only fact in this case I could present is my Sister in law who also observed the same thing as I did.

UFO's is probably the easiest thing to provide fact for, for anything that flys that can not be identified is termed an Unknown Flying Object. For folks in the 1800's seeing Polair would have them running in fear.

The imagination that runs side by side with science fiction which in time in some case turn into science I will provide you some fact when I get home.

I do believe in your right to dis believe, as do I believe in my right to mention what I saw and post it up.

Eric Frei · 3rd June 2011, 08:40 AM

Who's debating science fiction?

And for the context of the thread UFO's mean alien craft, stay with the program.

Have you already forgotten about mass hysteria syndrome, like Melbourne airport. Or all those people who see Jesus or Mary etc. They believe, so do extremists to the point they blow themselves up.

You do not believe in my right to disbelieve ..... well that demonstrates how far gone you are. But you grant yourself the right to believe without a shred of evidence, data, fact.

Do you believe that the millions spent on searching for proof and solid evidence is what, a cover up? Was

Men in Black

a documentary or something.

People still believe in supernatural forces playing part in the Bermuda Triangle.

When people's belief systems distort their perception they'll generally gravitate toward the answer that aligns with their belief system the best.... must be aliens because that makes sense, well to them anyway.

Have you already forgotten this thread?

Ignorance is Contagious| Critical Thinking| Mob mentalities

Drouin Tree Service · 3rd June 2011, 08:52 AM

Jeff Darby · 3rd June 2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JayD

Please do not mis understand me. I can not vote yes or no.
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I do believe in your right to dis believe, as do I believe in my right to mention what I saw and post it up.

Eric if you comprehended the bolded sentence you would have read that I did not remove your right to dis-believe.

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

You do not believe in my right to disbelieve ..... well that demonstrates how far gone you are. But you grant yourself the right to believe without a shred of evidence, data, fact.

Not once have I said that you have lost the plot, or how far gone you are however you did say that to me. Not nice Mr Frei.

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

Who's debating science fiction?

And for the context of the thread UFO's mean alien craft, stay with the program.

No one debateing sci fi, fact is UFO has always stood "unidentified flying object" but for the purpose of this thread we will agree that UFO stands for AC.

Treeworld is your place, so I will not say anymore in regard to this thread...Live long and prosper Mr Frei

Eric Frei · 3rd June 2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JayD

Eric if you comprehended the bolded sentence you would have read that I did not remove your right to dis-believe.

Not once have I said that you have lost the plot, or how far gone you are however you did say that to me. Not nice Mr Frei.

No one debateing sci fi, fact is UFO has always stood "unidentified flying object" but for the purpose of this thread we will agree that UFO stands for AC.

Treeworld is your place, so I will not say anymore in regard to this thread...Live long and prosper Mr Frei

Yes, I did misread that. And based on that I did write

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well that demonstrates how far gone you are

Which I would stand by if it was the case.

My opening post wrote:-

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You cant really have UFO's without Aliens, whether the craft are manned or not the context is the craft are from another planet and/or intelligent species (microbes etc excluded). So for this thread aliens and UFO's go hand in hand.

For the context of this thread believing in aliens, UFO being their craft.

I think that people who believe in ghosts have a psychological issue of sorts.

I believe same for alien abductees and UFO flying aliens.

If you believe in that then I do think there's something wrong, I'll say the same to anyone. And if it were me that witnessed any event like that then I dare say it would become my life mission to figure out WTF really happened not ruling out physical and psychological issues.

There was a movie with Travolta, called

Phenomenon

. He saw this little light slowly coming toward him then BAM, hit him in the head and he becomes some genius with ESP. Buddhists have long spoken of a light that hits you in the forehead. But does it actually happen or is it the brains way of delivering a message?

In western society when the light comes on for some we call it "the penny dropped".

Dreams are only electrical signals in the brain, images we see, same. It is possible to construct believable images with eyes shut and body sleeping, all via tiny electrical signals. They have some evidence of that with MRI, scans etc.

Is it possible that we actually change what we see or distort what we see like a mirage? Of course.

These are the things to explore. A recent brilliant movie with DiCaprio called

Inception

took this further where they connected each other up in dreams and shared the dream but tried to control it. If tiny electrical impulses are what gives us images then they might be able to be plugged into etc.

Here's a good site to read:-

Souls do not Exist: Evidence from Science & Philosophy Against Mind-Body Dualism

So yes, I do see it as a defective to believe in nonsense. And I do believe it appropriate to extinguish all other possibilities before entertaining such nonsense as aliens and ghosts. But that's me, wanting to get to the bottom of it all with evidence, data and fact.... hard core solid proof.

Drouin Tree Service · 3rd June 2011, 06:02 PM

There out there Eric just far far away,there probably nice people LOL

Eric Frei · 3rd June 2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by a_lopa

There out there Eric just far far away,there probably nice people LOL

What, the aliens or the believers? .....

........ both are way way out there!

Do Bigfoot| Yowie| Abominable Snowman| Sasquatch EXIST? Poll

Drouin Tree Service · 3rd June 2011, 06:30 PM

UFO's and Extraterrestrial Aliens - Why Earth Has Never Been Visited

They would definently need more than a spacecraft to make the distance...

Eric Frei · 3rd June 2011, 06:58 PM

I watch many of the docos at the planetarium, the galaxies and distances etc.

Very very interesting.

In fact all we see is the light from there, and if it is 10 million light years away then if that star died today we wouldn't know for 10 million years.

For all we know much of what we are looking at is already changed or gone.

They talk of other sweet spots (Drake Equation) where life could exist. Sure, it's a mathematical model. Some-one recently took me on with that one and asked what I thought of that for a rebuttle, my rebuttle was that they were a gambler and running the numbers. But it is possible that microbial life is evolving elsewhere or has evolved elsewhere with perhaps going past our species.

Anything is possible if you try hard enough especially with mathematical models. "It is possible the tree will fall and hit my house so I want it gone", cry many people but what is possible and what is probable are very different things.

The probability of another species evolving past ours and visiting from other galaxies is so miniscule that it is a folly.

James Sayers · 4th June 2011, 04:24 PM

so u say that of all the stars /planets out there ours is the only one with life and nowhere else has there been the right conditions for life to evolve just hear on earth and so how did that happen ? as i said if thats the case then it must be god ,jesus,and the holy ghost

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1st June 2011, 09:12 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll The question is:- Do UFO's and aliens exist? Yes or No. Vote. In a similar thread we have a poll about ghosts:- Do ghosts exist? And more people believe in ghosts than not. You cant really have UFO's without Aliens, whether the craft are manned or not the context is the craft are from another planet and/or intelligent species (microbes etc excluded). So for this thread aliens and UFO's go hand in hand. If you have your own experience do share it, but I suppose you need to have thick skin to deal with any criticism you get. The question is:- Do UFO's and aliens exist? Yes or No. Vote. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

1st June 2011, 09:48 PM	#2
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll I think we all spent countless hours while we were growing up starring at the night sky...wondering if aliens exist ? well maybe they do maybe they dont...but I do know were to find some bonafide klingons.....guess where...lol.. I saw some thing years ago in the night sky, what it was I do not know...."The answer is out there" __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

1st June 2011, 09:52 PM	#3
Rob Chace Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 238	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll errr what about highly probable but not 100% sure... well thats my vote anyway.

1st June 2011, 09:53 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll What's the Starship Enterprise and toilet paper got in common? Both circle Uranus looking for Cling-ons. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

1st June 2011, 11:27 PM	#7
derwoodii Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 406	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll Be assured. There is nothing out there. Governments are not hiding anything. All is well. There is nothing to be seen. Do not ask questions. You will have pancakes for supper. Gort Klaatu barada nikto.

2nd June 2011, 06:04 PM	#9
derwoodii Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 406	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll The advent of the Internet has brought good and bad. Sadly the bad are now getting their views out to many gullible fools, they seem to be growing in numbers. The persuasive writing techniques cause me alarm. They as so slick these days leading even the most sharp minded down a path where at its end only agreement with the premise can be made. I suspect were going to have go along with this a few years until bottoms out and the conspiracy writers run out of ideas and their reader begin to doubt as story after story runs out of puff and truthfulness. sorry my last twas feeling a bit glib just joking

2nd June 2011, 06:09 PM	#10
James Sayers Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: brisbane Posts: 84	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll if we where so small minded to think we where the only planet out there with life ,then we must all belive in god then no .As how would u explain life only on earth

2nd June 2011, 07:24 PM	#12
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll Space the final frontier... YouTube - ‪Star Trek - TV intro (season 1) (1966)‬&rlm; enjoy you non believers.. tell Spock he doesnt exist... __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

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Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll Trust Lopa to find a alien... __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

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Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,728	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll If they are out there and so advanced(like the movies) i don't think they will bother with us IMHO __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

2nd June 2011, 10:42 PM	#18
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll Back in 1500, like 500 years ago an Italian fella named Leonardo DaVinci was around, he pioneered some contraptions. 500 years ago, a tank, parachute, and a glider ... I do not believe people back then would have known the words "science fiction". But even long before him the Chinese were already using rockets, we're talking 6th century. But of course many have trouble remembering much beyond their birth date so that's why history has to repeat itself so often and what was once old is new again. What about Plato and Aristotle, those fellas were around like 300BC. Are you getting this into perspective now? There's centuries of time to reflect on ideas and concepts to refine them, and many by people who were already noticed as "different". However to assume that due to a movie like say http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4219259/the_fly_1986_movie_trailers/, teleporting is possible just needs to be more hygienic is nonsense. There's plenty of others, Time Tunnel, Sliders, Stargate, The Time Machine and of course my favourites like Alien, Predator etc __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

3rd June 2011, 08:52 AM	#23
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,728	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll Chinese started and discovered alot as well 1434 Gavin Menzies \| 1421 \| Chinese Voyages \| Renaissance history \|medieval history \| maritime exploration \|Chinese Exploration \| Admiral Zheng He \| Chinese Junks __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

3rd June 2011, 06:02 PM	#26
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,728	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll There out there Eric just far far away,there probably nice people LOL __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne Last edited by Drouin Tree Service; 3rd June 2011 at 06:02 PM. Reason: typo

3rd June 2011, 06:30 PM	#28
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,728	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll UFO's and Extraterrestrial Aliens - Why Earth Has Never Been Visited They would definently need more than a spacecraft to make the distance... __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

3rd June 2011, 06:58 PM	#29
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll I watch many of the docos at the planetarium, the galaxies and distances etc. Very very interesting. In fact all we see is the light from there, and if it is 10 million light years away then if that star died today we wouldn't know for 10 million years. For all we know much of what we are looking at is already changed or gone. They talk of other sweet spots (Drake Equation) where life could exist. Sure, it's a mathematical model. Some-one recently took me on with that one and asked what I thought of that for a rebuttle, my rebuttle was that they were a gambler and running the numbers. But it is possible that microbial life is evolving elsewhere or has evolved elsewhere with perhaps going past our species. Anything is possible if you try hard enough especially with mathematical models. "It is possible the tree will fall and hit my house so I want it gone", cry many people but what is possible and what is probable are very different things. The probability of another species evolving past ours and visiting from other galaxies is so miniscule that it is a folly. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

4th June 2011, 04:24 PM	#30
James Sayers Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: brisbane Posts: 84	Re: Do Aliens and UFOs Exist? Poll so u say that of all the stars /planets out there ours is the only one with life and nowhere else has there been the right conditions for life to evolve just hear on earth and so how did that happen ? as i said if thats the case then it must be god ,jesus,and the holy ghost

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