Begleytree at AS has passed away

Ekka · 13th June 2007, 10:13 PM

For those who dont know this is the link to the AS thread.

http://www.????????????.com/showthread.php?t=49775

I've only been a member at AS for around 3 years or so, had my moments with Ralph but they always worked out. He's an upfront guy, has his say and that's that.

He was a moderator there ever since I knew, often we had chats in the off topic area about all sorts of stuff, he was an OK guy.

Anyway, he's gone now, suicide apparently, single gunshot wound to the head ... not long after his wife served up the divorce papers. Ralph is survived by his son Tyler (15), son Tommy (12), daughter Emily (10), son Brian (6), ex-wife Gale, and his current wife Shannon.

I suggest for those of you who knew him to take some time out and read the whole thread over there. I was surprised to read of other suicides in families of members. It's something that I've never known of only read in the papers here.

Truly a sad day, I'll miss ole Ralph, RIP mate.

JayD · 14th June 2007, 12:47 AM

Truly sad to hear about this,It's ashame that some can not see past the storm to the fair weather ahead.

RIP
Ralph(begleytree)

a_lopa · 14th June 2007, 02:43 AM

Not good news,i got along ok with Ralph,I wish the best for his family.

TreeCo · 14th June 2007, 10:20 AM

My opinion is that Ralph took the coward's way out and has done permanent emotional damage to those he left behind.

Just think what his parents and children are going through right now.

It's hard to feel sorry for him but I still do.

Tim Craig · 14th June 2007, 12:58 PM

TreeCo,

I respect what you have to say most of the time, but on this issue I could'nt disagree more.

Commiting suicide is one of the bravest things a person can do, there is nothind cowardly about it whatsoever.

The willpower that is needed to perform this act is colossal, your glib remark is one of the oldest cliches known to humankind, and like most other tired old sayings, it is worthless.

i am not looking for an argument, just expressing an opinion.

I am sorry for this guy and his family's loss.

TreeCo · 14th June 2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Craig

TreeCo,

I respect what you have to say most of the time, but on this issue I could'nt disagree more.

Commiting suicide is one of the bravest things a person can do, there is nothind cowardly about it whatsoever.

Leaving your kids to fend for themselves is not being brave. Ralph had responsibilties above and beyond of just taking care of himself, he had children that depended on him.

Ekka · 14th June 2007, 02:59 PM

TreeCo

Correct me if I'm wrong but you speak with experience, if you care to expand on that please do. I know it's a sensative area that many of us will never know or understand.

TreeCo · 14th June 2007, 03:53 PM

Being exposed to suicide doesn't make it any easier to understand.

I lost my brother to suicide. It will be five years now this Thanksgiving that he took his life. He left behind a 20 year old daughter, a grandson, both parents and two brothers. Like Ralph he was going through a troubled time.

I think an important message suicide carries......and likely a lot of victims don't realize at the time, is that they are saying is the life they share with their families and friends is not valuable enough to tip the scales to the side of wanting to live.

I've been through the hurt, and then the anger, and now I'm at peace with my brothers choice. I do wish he had decided to hang around so we could all grow old together.

My parents, my now 25 year old neice and her 6 year old son seem to be doing fine but if the converstion ever drifts to anything about my brother it becomes a very painful time.

My neice is scared for life.

I think of Ralph's children and their lives being scared by their fathers suicide for the next 70 or 80 years. It's a very selfish act.

Ekka · 14th June 2007, 04:26 PM

Thanks TreeCo.

I'm with you, I do not see such a dramatic and selfish act as courageous ... think of those left behind.

But in saying that I dont condemn those who chose that path, yes it's sad, and a surprise to most involved, but it's an illness IMHO.

Ekka · 16th June 2007, 03:06 PM

It was all a cruel hoax.

http://www.????????????.com/showthread.php?t=49906

JayD · 16th June 2007, 04:10 PM

I just posted my responce to this on AS,. Glad he's alive...but pissed off with what went on!!

mdvaden · 20th June 2007, 12:14 AM

Looks like it was deleted there

For the real episodes where someone takes the selfish route of suicide, here's a good verse for those who might think its brave...

Quote:

1 Tim 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel .
KJV

The word "infidel" is translated from the Greek work "apistos" and means "unbeliever". "pistos" means believing, and coupled with then Greek negative article "a" means the opposite of believing. The verse is not just saying that someone who does not provide for their own is an unbeliever - its saying that they are worse than an unbeliever.

At least if someone has a wife or kids who need support, then suicide is unbelief, selfish and irresponsible. A form of weakness and failure. Nothing successful about it.

That's an excellent verse for anyone contemplating suicide to think about.

13th June 2007, 10:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Begleytree at AS has passed away For those who dont know this is the link to the AS thread. http://www.????????????.com/showthread.php?t=49775 I've only been a member at AS for around 3 years or so, had my moments with Ralph but they always worked out. He's an upfront guy, has his say and that's that. He was a moderator there ever since I knew, often we had chats in the off topic area about all sorts of stuff, he was an OK guy. Anyway, he's gone now, suicide apparently, single gunshot wound to the head ... not long after his wife served up the divorce papers. Ralph is survived by his son Tyler (15), son Tommy (12), daughter Emily (10), son Brian (6), ex-wife Gale, and his current wife Shannon. I suggest for those of you who knew him to take some time out and read the whole thread over there. I was surprised to read of other suicides in families of members. It's something that I've never known of only read in the papers here. Truly a sad day, I'll miss ole Ralph, RIP mate. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

14th June 2007, 12:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 886	Rip Truly sad to hear about this,It's ashame that some can not see past the storm to the fair weather ahead. RIP Ralph(begleytree) __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

14th June 2007, 02:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 866	Not good news,i got along ok with Ralph,I wish the best for his family. __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

14th June 2007, 02:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	TreeCo Correct me if I'm wrong but you speak with experience, if you care to expand on that please do. I know it's a sensative area that many of us will never know or understand. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

14th June 2007, 04:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Thanks TreeCo. I'm with you, I do not see such a dramatic and selfish act as courageous ... think of those left behind. But in saying that I dont condemn those who chose that path, yes it's sad, and a surprise to most involved, but it's an illness IMHO. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

14th June 2007, 10:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 262	My opinion is that Ralph took the coward's way out and has done permanent emotional damage to those he left behind. Just think what his parents and children are going through right now. It's hard to feel sorry for him but I still do.

14th June 2007, 12:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tim Craig Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 94	TreeCo, I respect what you have to say most of the time, but on this issue I could'nt disagree more. Commiting suicide is one of the bravest things a person can do, there is nothind cowardly about it whatsoever. The willpower that is needed to perform this act is colossal, your glib remark is one of the oldest cliches known to humankind, and like most other tired old sayings, it is worthless. i am not looking for an argument, just expressing an opinion. I am sorry for this guy and his family's loss.

14th June 2007, 03:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 262	Being exposed to suicide doesn't make it any easier to understand. I lost my brother to suicide. It will be five years now this Thanksgiving that he took his life. He left behind a 20 year old daughter, a grandson, both parents and two brothers. Like Ralph he was going through a troubled time. I think an important message suicide carries......and likely a lot of victims don't realize at the time, is that they are saying is the life they share with their families and friends is not valuable enough to tip the scales to the side of wanting to live. I've been through the hurt, and then the anger, and now I'm at peace with my brothers choice. I do wish he had decided to hang around so we could all grow old together. My parents, my now 25 year old neice and her 6 year old son seem to be doing fine but if the converstion ever drifts to anything about my brother it becomes a very painful time. My neice is scared for life. I think of Ralph's children and their lives being scared by their fathers suicide for the next 70 or 80 years. It's a very selfish act.

16th June 2007, 03:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	It was all a cruel hoax. http://www.????????????.com/showthread.php?t=49906 __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

16th June 2007, 04:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 886	I just posted my responce to this on AS,. Glad he's alive...but pissed off with what went on!! __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

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