axle snapped on tandem trailer| trailers2000| BEWARE

Eric Frei · 15th July 2010, 08:57 PM

Check it out, real clean cut.

Bearings were good and greased.

This was an expensive Trailers2000 trailer (custom built) rated to 2000kg GVM, why did it break?

After careful analysis and opinion from trailer experts it was due to extremely poor design, a typical case where the manufacturers self praise and back patting plus marketing blinds you to the real perfection in trailer design.

I was extremely lucky it broke when I was reversing up a customers drive, listen for it, EMPTY!

Just moments before I was going down the M1 doing 100km/h and that was after dropping kids off at a school where a wayward wheel that came off could have killed some-one.

I now drive in fear, and I think this is so serious I will report it to Dept of Fair Trading, if it were a car there'd be a recall.

Whilst the trailer is a dual axle rated to 2000kg GVM each axle is rated only for 1000kg I found out. These axles are not fitted onto (what I have learned now) a load sharing spring system. so when you come off an uneven surface or back up a hill etc a pair of wheels can "freewheel" and spin, all the weight goes onto the remaining single axle .... so in effect you could have 2000kg onto a 1000kg axle .... AND THESE CLOWNS BUILT IT LIKE THAT.

One trailer place told me it was common, and they break there due to metal fatigue and it's where there's a step in the shaft from machining and where the bearing pressures are, especially when turning as there's lots of screwing pressure on the rear wheels.

A load sharing spring system keeps both wheels in contact with the ground, but that is not what I have.

The axle was not bent, there was no load. I often have my Kanga on it too, just as well I didn't today, but what about tomorrow?

I will write to the manufacturer about this lethal situation, and pending their answer may pursue the matter further. A wheel snapping off at 100kmh hitting another oncoming car doing the same speed means a 200kmh impact, and likely an out of control car towing the trailer, all because some fools poor design.

On their website they think they are the future of box trailers, plenty of pats on the back for their greatness, will they acknowledge this flaw?

stan · 16th July 2010, 03:34 PM

This is an unfortunate thing to happen and quite lucky it happened when it did, for all of your above reasons. May have meant a days work shot but all parties affected are safe.

As far as the problem you have with your trailer this is quite a common way of setting up the axel's mainly because its cheaper and the customers they are aimed at usually have static loads and don't often jump kerb and guttering. in most cases when i have bought or made trailers the dealer or parts supplier will or should ask what your intended purpose for the trailer is as there are axle setups that are better suited for the types of things we as arbosists and most other contractors ask our trailers to do.

A common way to overcome the problem you now have being that I assume you are happy with the body would either be to do a relatively quick suspension package changeover the double rocker style will transfer weight evenly but the can be quite costly or you can get a larger capacity axle say 2000kg rated capacity on each axle but still limit your loads to a total of 2000kg.

Hope it all goes well it always a pain when something breaks.

sueann · 16th July 2010, 04:14 PM

That sounds so dangerous! I hardly use our trailer but sometimes I have to like the other week when we bought a new washing machine and I had to take the old one to the scrap metal merchant.

I'd have a heart attack if that happened to me.

dov · 16th July 2010, 06:31 PM

Reminds me of the time I saw a ute ripping a SINGLE axle around a corner. One of the wheels snapped off and bounced into the traffic, but the idiot towing it kept on going.

In your case Ekka, the fact that the axle snapped in such a lightly loaded situation could mean a defect in the steel and/or that the axle was already half sheared through before you got there. Notices the grease stains on the face of the shear point. All in all the trailer is definitely defective by design and the manufacturers are balancing cost cutting with the trailer mostly being on flat ground. Best setup I ever saw was separate coil spring suspension for each wheel with gas shockers on an angle to balance the side sway of the trailer. Must of cost a fortune, but it bloody looked fantastic.

Worst thing is even if you put another axle in or even the load sharing system, the trailer will never feel secure.

Eric Frei · 17th July 2010, 05:24 PM

The grease marks were from my finger. It was a clean snap.

Backing up or down driveways also will mean free wheeling.

The body design is good but there's other issues with the trailer.

These geniuses do not put drain holes in the box sections and there is rust so it might be a right off or replace the chasis under floor.

The corners of the trailer have pull up poles, the drain holes in there I drilled as they filled with water and rusted like buggery, when I pulled the poles up they were heavily rusted.... that was like 1 week after new.

By virtue, all users will at some stage only have one axle bearing the load, so as far as I am concerned it is not an option to have a 2000kg rated trailer with axles of such configuration.

The practicality of it, how the door works, poles pull up, drawbat etc is all great .... pity they buggered this part up.

Also checking the tyres on it not they are only rated 670kg each too, so another illegal overloading issue.

dov · 18th July 2010, 12:50 AM

I know it costs a fortune, but hot dip galvanising is worth it when u get a new trailer. Either that or powder-coat or at the least a cold galv undercoat.

It sounds like you really like the general setup of the old one though. Have you priced getting a trailer place to weld in a new floor etc, redo the undercarriage to your specs and put a new finish on it?

If you get a new one though make sure you post the pics to make us all jealous.

tallliooo1 · 24th July 2010, 08:53 PM

did you change tyre width , makes a huge difference on tandem axles

Eric Frei · 24th July 2010, 09:45 PM

Nope, same as the ones that were on there.

Tyre shops are pretty specific these days.

Fact remains, 2000kg trailer is poorly designed so the load (at times) can be carried on one axle only.

Many newer estates have driveways which come off the angled kerbs, I may even shoot a video to demonstrate the difference.

Eric Frei · 22nd December 2010, 07:59 AM

I'm having a replacement built, nice and strong, load sharing axles, better springs, galv dipped. Being built by Trailerworld who certainly have a clue how to build a trailer.

Rob Chace · 22nd December 2010, 09:34 AM

nice build, tipper - what is the means of opperation (under body hyd or other? etc)

i also like how the rear gate hinges wide too.

Jeff Darby · 22nd December 2010, 11:33 AM

Looking good

The best part about building a trailer from scratch is you are the creator ! you can tweak it up as much as you can aford...

a gusset here and there, a couple of lenght of flat bar under your draw bar rio it to buggery... it goes on N on..

Eric Frei · 22nd December 2010, 11:42 AM

No tipping, just a smooth one piece floor.

Also made the sides 30cm shorter so I can load over the sides with the Kanga.

Upper cage corners has extendable poles that come up, it's where I load palm fronds, and very strong, in the past I have unloaded in excess of 250Kg of fronds .... logs of course are cut perfectly to go into the trailer and roll out.

Jeff Darby · 31st December 2010, 04:46 PM

Hey,
I thought I would give you this link for a tipper conversion..
Hydraulics I think this quite reasonable for the hydraulics...

remember you are the creator..

gooddog · 31st December 2010, 04:52 PM

Being that it broke where it did, my first thought is that when the axle was machined, they used a small nose radius tool that scored a line around the axle at the start of the taper. A scored line will focus stress to a fracture point. With a larger nose radius tool or a programmed smooth radius on a cnc, you spread the stress over a larger area. Another item is the type of steel, the hardening, and the drawing back of the metal. An error in any of these would make it prone to breaking.

Jeff Darby · 31st December 2010, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gooddog

Being that it broke where it did, my first thought is that when the axle was machined, they used a small nose radius tool that scored a line around the axle at the start of the taper. A scored line will focus stress to a fracture point. With a larger nose radius tool or a programmed smooth radius on a cnc, you spread the stress over a larger area. Another item is the type of steel, the hardening, and the drawing back of the metal. An error in any of these would make it prone to breaking.

I think it had a lot to do with an improperly designed axle set up putting stresses far beyond what it was designed for. In saying this, All factors go together in making a component fail in service all playing their role in a catastrophic failure, in this case Eric was just lucky no one was injured.imo.

Welcome to Treeworld gooddog..

MrDiesel · 5th January 2011, 12:47 PM

I have a mate with similar problem where on a tandem trailer with slipper springs had a axle shear off. He quoted the National standards claiming that the vin plate said his trailer was 2 tonne aggregate weight. The standard says

"...... that the load carrying capacity of each axle in the group and the wheels and tyres fitted to it is:

-- at least 120% of the load on that axle with the trailer at its ATM: and
-- at least equal to the load on that axle with the trailer at its ATM and any retractable axle retracted"

The trailer manufacturer ended up putting on a $550 load sharing kit for free and changed the design of their trailers

MrDiesel · 5th January 2011, 07:19 PM

I have a set of 1500kg axles on my tandem trailer. Althought they dont give a full 2T capacity they were cheaper than getting a load balancing axle kit (By about $300 Aussie bucks)

Eric Frei · 6th January 2011, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDiesel

He quoted the National standards claiming that the vin plate said his trailer was 2 tonne aggregate weight. The standard says

"...... that the load carrying capacity of each axle in the group and the wheels and tyres fitted to it is:

-- at least 120% of the load on that axle with the trailer at its ATM: and
-- at least equal to the load on that axle with the trailer at its ATM and any retractable axle retracted"

Interesting, so the 2000kg load goes onto 2 axles, making it 1000kg each. So the axle has to be rated 1200Kg and tyres 600kg minimum.

And if the designer does this and the trailer is loaded to 200kg and you come off a gutter or steep driveway etc and 2000kg goes onto that one axle it will be overloaded by 800kg or 66%

My new trailer has 1500kg axles in addition to load sharing.

Eric Frei · 26th January 2011, 08:14 AM

I found the PDF to the National Standards and attached it.

MrDiesel · 26th January 2011, 08:50 AM

What sort of coupling are you going for? I replaced mine with an AT35 (used with camper trailers) are it has a higher rated load limit. I also put electric brakes on the front axle to stop the shudder of a mechanical brake if you need to hit the anchors suddenly

Eric Frei · 5th February 2011, 09:35 AM

Here's the new one, galved.

Jeff Darby · 5th February 2011, 09:41 AM

Looks great..

all it needs now is some sign writing.

MrDiesel · 6th February 2011, 08:05 AM

Looks good, i like the rear tailgate hinge strong and in a useful position. Is there a way of locking it to the side of the trailer when its fully open?

Eric Frei · 6th February 2011, 08:21 AM

Yeah, an okky strap.

MrDiesel · 6th February 2011, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Frei

Yeah, an okky strap.

Its the Aussie way! Okkys hold my ute together

15th July 2010, 08:57 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Check it out, real clean cut. Bearings were good and greased. This was an expensive Trailers2000 trailer (custom built) rated to 2000kg GVM, why did it break? After careful analysis and opinion from trailer experts it was due to extremely poor design, a typical case where the manufacturers self praise and back patting plus marketing blinds you to the real perfection in trailer design. I was extremely lucky it broke when I was reversing up a customers drive, listen for it, EMPTY! Just moments before I was going down the M1 doing 100km/h and that was after dropping kids off at a school where a wayward wheel that came off could have killed some-one. I now drive in fear, and I think this is so serious I will report it to Dept of Fair Trading, if it were a car there'd be a recall. Whilst the trailer is a dual axle rated to 2000kg GVM each axle is rated only for 1000kg I found out. These axles are not fitted onto (what I have learned now) a load sharing spring system. so when you come off an uneven surface or back up a hill etc a pair of wheels can "freewheel" and spin, all the weight goes onto the remaining single axle .... so in effect you could have 2000kg onto a 1000kg axle .... AND THESE CLOWNS BUILT IT LIKE THAT. One trailer place told me it was common, and they break there due to metal fatigue and it's where there's a step in the shaft from machining and where the bearing pressures are, especially when turning as there's lots of screwing pressure on the rear wheels. A load sharing spring system keeps both wheels in contact with the ground, but that is not what I have. The axle was not bent, there was no load. I often have my Kanga on it too, just as well I didn't today, but what about tomorrow? I will write to the manufacturer about this lethal situation, and pending their answer may pursue the matter further. A wheel snapping off at 100kmh hitting another oncoming car doing the same speed means a 200kmh impact, and likely an out of control car towing the trailer, all because some fools poor design. On their website they think they are the future of box trailers, plenty of pats on the back for their greatness, will they acknowledge this flaw? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

16th July 2010, 03:34 PM	#2
stan Former Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 15	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE This is an unfortunate thing to happen and quite lucky it happened when it did, for all of your above reasons. May have meant a days work shot but all parties affected are safe. As far as the problem you have with your trailer this is quite a common way of setting up the axel's mainly because its cheaper and the customers they are aimed at usually have static loads and don't often jump kerb and guttering. in most cases when i have bought or made trailers the dealer or parts supplier will or should ask what your intended purpose for the trailer is as there are axle setups that are better suited for the types of things we as arbosists and most other contractors ask our trailers to do. A common way to overcome the problem you now have being that I assume you are happy with the body would either be to do a relatively quick suspension package changeover the double rocker style will transfer weight evenly but the can be quite costly or you can get a larger capacity axle say 2000kg rated capacity on each axle but still limit your loads to a total of 2000kg. Hope it all goes well it always a pain when something breaks.

16th July 2010, 04:14 PM	#3
sueann Former Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Australia Posts: 599	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE That sounds so dangerous! I hardly use our trailer but sometimes I have to like the other week when we bought a new washing machine and I had to take the old one to the scrap metal merchant. I'd have a heart attack if that happened to me.

16th July 2010, 06:31 PM	#4
dov Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 649	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Reminds me of the time I saw a ute ripping a SINGLE axle around a corner. One of the wheels snapped off and bounced into the traffic, but the idiot towing it kept on going. In your case Ekka, the fact that the axle snapped in such a lightly loaded situation could mean a defect in the steel and/or that the axle was already half sheared through before you got there. Notices the grease stains on the face of the shear point. All in all the trailer is definitely defective by design and the manufacturers are balancing cost cutting with the trailer mostly being on flat ground. Best setup I ever saw was separate coil spring suspension for each wheel with gas shockers on an angle to balance the side sway of the trailer. Must of cost a fortune, but it bloody looked fantastic. Worst thing is even if you put another axle in or even the load sharing system, the trailer will never feel secure.

17th July 2010, 05:24 PM	#5
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE The grease marks were from my finger. It was a clean snap. Backing up or down driveways also will mean free wheeling. The body design is good but there's other issues with the trailer. These geniuses do not put drain holes in the box sections and there is rust so it might be a right off or replace the chasis under floor. The corners of the trailer have pull up poles, the drain holes in there I drilled as they filled with water and rusted like buggery, when I pulled the poles up they were heavily rusted.... that was like 1 week after new. By virtue, all users will at some stage only have one axle bearing the load, so as far as I am concerned it is not an option to have a 2000kg rated trailer with axles of such configuration. The practicality of it, how the door works, poles pull up, drawbat etc is all great .... pity they buggered this part up. Also checking the tyres on it not they are only rated 670kg each too, so another illegal overloading issue. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

18th July 2010, 12:50 AM	#6
dov Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 649	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE I know it costs a fortune, but hot dip galvanising is worth it when u get a new trailer. Either that or powder-coat or at the least a cold galv undercoat. It sounds like you really like the general setup of the old one though. Have you priced getting a trailer place to weld in a new floor etc, redo the undercarriage to your specs and put a new finish on it? If you get a new one though make sure you post the pics to make us all jealous.

24th July 2010, 08:53 PM	#7
tallliooo1 Sappling Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: perth Posts: 6	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE did you change tyre width , makes a huge difference on tandem axles

24th July 2010, 09:45 PM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Nope, same as the ones that were on there. Tyre shops are pretty specific these days. Fact remains, 2000kg trailer is poorly designed so the load (at times) can be carried on one axle only. Many newer estates have driveways which come off the angled kerbs, I may even shoot a video to demonstrate the difference. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

22nd December 2010, 07:59 AM	#9
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE I'm having a replacement built, nice and strong, load sharing axles, better springs, galv dipped. Being built by Trailerworld who certainly have a clue how to build a trailer. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

22nd December 2010, 09:34 AM	#10
Rob Chace Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 238	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE nice build, tipper - what is the means of opperation (under body hyd or other? etc) i also like how the rear gate hinges wide too.

22nd December 2010, 11:33 AM	#11
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Looking good The best part about building a trailer from scratch is you are the creator ! you can tweak it up as much as you can aford... a gusset here and there, a couple of lenght of flat bar under your draw bar rio it to buggery... it goes on N on.. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

22nd December 2010, 11:42 AM	#12
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE No tipping, just a smooth one piece floor. Also made the sides 30cm shorter so I can load over the sides with the Kanga. Upper cage corners has extendable poles that come up, it's where I load palm fronds, and very strong, in the past I have unloaded in excess of 250Kg of fronds .... logs of course are cut perfectly to go into the trailer and roll out. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

31st December 2010, 04:46 PM	#13
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Hey, I thought I would give you this link for a tipper conversion.. Hydraulics I think this quite reasonable for the hydraulics... remember you are the creator.. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

31st December 2010, 04:52 PM	#14
gooddog Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: USA Wisconsin Posts: 72	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Being that it broke where it did, my first thought is that when the axle was machined, they used a small nose radius tool that scored a line around the axle at the start of the taper. A scored line will focus stress to a fracture point. With a larger nose radius tool or a programmed smooth radius on a cnc, you spread the stress over a larger area. Another item is the type of steel, the hardening, and the drawing back of the metal. An error in any of these would make it prone to breaking.

5th January 2011, 12:47 PM	#16
MrDiesel Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: here Posts: 192	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE I have a mate with similar problem where on a tandem trailer with slipper springs had a axle shear off. He quoted the National standards claiming that the vin plate said his trailer was 2 tonne aggregate weight. The standard says "...... that the load carrying capacity of each axle in the group and the wheels and tyres fitted to it is: -- at least 120% of the load on that axle with the trailer at its ATM: and -- at least equal to the load on that axle with the trailer at its ATM and any retractable axle retracted" The trailer manufacturer ended up putting on a $550 load sharing kit for free and changed the design of their trailers

5th January 2011, 07:19 PM	#17
MrDiesel Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: here Posts: 192	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE I have a set of 1500kg axles on my tandem trailer. Althought they dont give a full 2T capacity they were cheaper than getting a load balancing axle kit (By about $300 Aussie bucks)

26th January 2011, 08:50 AM	#20
MrDiesel Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: here Posts: 192	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE What sort of coupling are you going for? I replaced mine with an AT35 (used with camper trailers) are it has a higher rated load limit. I also put electric brakes on the front axle to stop the shudder of a mechanical brake if you need to hit the anchors suddenly

5th February 2011, 09:35 AM	#21
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Here's the new one, galved. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th February 2011, 09:41 AM	#22
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Looks great.. all it needs now is some sign writing. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

6th February 2011, 08:05 AM	#23
MrDiesel Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: here Posts: 192	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Looks good, i like the rear tailgate hinge strong and in a useful position. Is there a way of locking it to the side of the trailer when its fully open?

6th February 2011, 08:21 AM	#24
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,993	Re: axle snapped on tandem trailer\| trailers2000\| BEWARE Yeah, an okky strap. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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