And the aussies think the door knockers are a problem

Garry Brockley

A few door knockers might be a problem but what can you do when the govt takes away your rights to live in peace and quiet. this is exactly why im leaving this god awful country in January.

UK NEWSFAMILIES MUST SELL LAND FOR GYPSY CAMPSITES



WARNING: Land could be forcibly bought at reduced value and with little compensation

Daily Express
Monday November 17,2008
By Martyn Brown
THOUSANDS of homeowners across Britain could be forced to sell their land to make way for gypsy sites.

Private gardens and fields could be taken by the Government in a “land grab” to create permanent campsites for 25,000 travellers.

One council has already earmarked sites for 123 pitches including a family garden and land belonging to an elderly couple and adjacent to their home.

Documents relating to a survey by Epping Forest Council, in Essex, say that if residents refuse to sell their land, it would be compulsorily purchased under Government powers.

They are warned that if they refuse to sell, the land could be forcibly bought at reduced value and with little compensation.

It is thought that councils across the country will take similar action to free up land.

They are just pinching our land and telling us, ‘You will have to put up with it’
Terence Ruddigan

Last night residents reacted with fury to the news that they could lose their land and have traveller camps on their doorsteps.

Terence Ruddigan, 73, who could have a traveller site next to his home in Epping, said:“They are just pinching our land and telling us, ‘You will have to put up with it’.”

Epping Forest Tory MP Eleanor Laing asked: “What is the point of all our work to protect people’s freedom and to make them feel secure in their own homes when a Labour Government can revert to the worst excesses of Communist dictatorships and compulsorily purchase bits of land next to people’s homes?”



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Documents released by Epping Forest Council state: “Wherever possible, we would seek the owners’ agreement but as a matter of last resort the option of compulsory purchase is there.”

Shadow Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles said: “The fact that Labour has given the green light for these land grabs is unreasonable and economic madness as we head towards a recession.

“This whole issue can be traced back to the former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott’s obsession with imposing targets to build new traveller camps, often on green field land, through unelected regional assemblies.”

Mr Ruddigan, who has had a small field next to his house earmarked for a traveller site, said: “I have lived in this house with my wife for 34 years and we keep a few chickens, geese and horses in the field.

“My wife and I are furious that just 30ft away from our back door we could have a gypsy site.

“What about the rubbish they produce? What about our safety? None of this is given any concern by the Government.”

The Department of Communities and Local Government has ordered regional planners to come up with sites for the extra 4,000 pitches and has handed over £20million in grants to councils to create legal encampments.

Ministers insist the move will save money in the long run by cutting the £18million spent annually on trying to evict travellers from illegal sites.

The Government wants almost 4,000 new pitches on 48 sites – including 19 new or extended sites.

The Tory leader of Epping Forest Council, Di Collins, insisted it had only carried out the consultation because it was a Government directive.

She said: “It won’t be us making the compulsory purchase orders but the Government using the Homes and Community Agency.

“We are hoping it won’t come to anything like that because we have already got far more pitches than we need now, as we have 90.

“The Government has come down with a very heavy hand on this. None of this is what we would have done if we had not been directed to.”

Hundreds of locals have been voicing their concerns at meetings across Essex.

The borough of Epping Forest has been earmarked for 123 pitches – 250 mobile homes – sparking outrage.

But Chris Whitwell, of Friends, Travellers and Families, said: “There are around 25,000 gypsies and travellers who do not have fixed places to live at the moment. We think that is disgraceful.

"The shortfall of pitches should be addressed as soon as possible. Gypsies have been in this country for 500 years, isn’t it about time people started to accept them?”

A Communities and Local Government spokeswoman denied people would face compulsory land sales.

“It is a matter for councils to identify authorised sites for travellers, as a good supply of authorised sites can break the vicious circle of evictions that is costly to taxpayers,” she said.

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Eric Frei

It appears to me that they think giving them land for their camps is better than fighting them with legal fees.

If that's the case then these political people are utter idiots. They have caved in, and worse still, the gypsies get land for free. Also these gypsies dont pay taxes or rates do they?

What a responsible government would have done is created better/faster laws to dealing with them. Rather than some legal fight that lasts up to 8 years they could have brought in laws that allow even police/military to kick them out and jail them.

Seems to me as the world twirls by so does sanity on issues that seem pretty blatantly obvious to most.

In this story you posted they bought the land.
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There's not 1 pommy here that I know who'd rather take UK over Australia to live in, not one, and if there was I'd send the bastid back as we cant stand whinging poms.

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newguy18

man your government is caving in too?Ours are providing drivers licenses to the illegals for free,all they have to do is go and get it.I guess the brilliance there is to make them known so they can pay taxes.

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unionworkeruk

The story is a stir up by the council because they do not want to provide legal Gypsy sites for homeless travellers. The Government is NOT going to compulsory purchase any land. The council has the responsibility of housing ALL homeless families (except recent immigrants!) and that included Gypsies and the descendants of Australians living in Britain.
On the sites Gypsies PAY RENT and all the other bills just like any other council tenant, so whats so special about that. No special treatment just equal treatment.
This untrue story is reprinted with enthusiasm by all the empire loyalists of the Mail, Express, the fascists of the BNP and others who love the country so much they piss off at the first opportunity. Do not fall for it.
Many other councils, like mine in London provides legal sites for rent so we have no problem of illegal camps. Epping can easily use existing powers to use council land or land with planning permission to provide a site for rent.
It is simply a question of equal rights.

Done it

Two sides to every story I suppose.

I've been following this story for quite a while now. If a Gurkha retired after 1997 he could live in UK but not if he retired before that, even with a VC,

I'm glad to see this one got there but what about all the others who didn't get help or died trying.

OK to go to war for a country but you can't live there, strange rule.

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unionworkeruk

Quite right. If you go to the Cenotaph after Remembrance Sunday you will find a wreath to all the Gypsies who did fighting for Britain. There are also many Gypsie families with members still in the forces. And their families in the UK are treated like dirt and told they are scroungers just because they want to live in caravans with their families and want to PAY RENT.

People from all over have fought for this country. Go and see the cemeteries of African ,Asian, West Indian, Australian etc in France. Look, for the Gypsy names in the UK War Dead. And our BritNats say "Britain for the British". If it was not for those from overseas and minorities like the Gypsies and Irish we would not have a Britain.

Eric Frei

Are these parks the same as our caravan parks here? Is that what they're asking for?

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unionworkeruk

Sorry I don't know about your parks. Gypsy/traveller sites are for the extended families of Gypsies and those who live a similar lifestyle.
The ordinary caravan parks in the UK are either holiday homes or generally for retired people.
The Gypsy sites, or at least the ones near me, have places for a permanent and travelling wagon, and each has a small block for kitchen,toilet etc. Usually about 10 families live on site. All pay rent, council tax and utility bills just like any council house tenant.

Ordinary caravan parks will not accept Gypsies and they generally like to keep themselves to themselves as they live a more communal open air lifestyle. Many Gypsies have bought land for themselves but planning permission is refused in over 90% of cases. In similar areas planning permission is generally given to non Gypsies.

Obviously there are anti social law breaking Gypsies and Travellers. I would not excuse them and expect them to be arrested and punished but I do not think their families should be punished by being kept permanently homeless.

No one wants preferential treatment for Gypsies just equal rights to a legal home now that the right to roam has been taken away.

Garry Brockley

No mate they are taking peoples gardens, extra land they own and any other piece they want and not paying the real price or stealing it by forced governmental policies WAN**RS we now live in a Despotic big brother country that allies itself with the criminals and power hungry (sorry political) slapped wrist

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unionworkeruk

Mr Galbee
Hoards of Government officials running around the country nationalising our back gardens! If you believe that you'll believe anything.
Give us some factual examples and name the criminals.
Me, I just want to see the homeless having somewhere to live and Gypsies not being punished for just being Gypsies. If they commit crimes nick them, punish them but don't punish them and their kids for just existing.

Eric Frei

So are you saying that this isn't live footage!

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unionworkeruk

Em, this is a film made by Guy Ritchie in 2000 with Brad Pitt as the Irish Traveller ! As you can guess the scene is of an illegal site mocked up for the cameras.
I am arguing in favour of legal sites which, obviously would be less chaotic than the mock up scene in the film.
Anyway if that is the way people want to live good luck to them as long as it does not have a negative effect on other people. I am sure you do want people telling you how to live with your family and friends.

Eric Frei

LOL, I was stirring you up.

From the outside looking in I must say, gypsies, caravans etc ... something just doesn't sit right.

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unionworkeruk

You succeeded !
From the outside looking in, stone cladding, garden gnomes and paved gardens don't look right to me but if it doesn't directly affect me I don't care.

Garry Brockley

Sorry to sound so against the Gypsies Unionworkeruk its just that i have had a few bad run ins with a few of them and had no come back. i lived outside peterborough for a while, in one case my van was taken and my store was broken into and my tools were taken the van was seen going into one of the camps in peterborough cctv but the police refused to enter to get the things back saying it was too dangerous and they didn't have the man power to do the search.
my insurance went through the roof and i never covered half the stuff taken.
I get followed around to jobs by some of these guys and when i quote a job they go in afterwards once ive left and offer really low prices on jobs, i get people calling me telling me what has happened. now i don't mind competition but there is no level playing field as they are generally untrained uninsured people just making a quick buck not paying tipping fees and just fly tipping.

To be honest i much prefer these people to the sponging doleites that fill our council houses. but the agressive nature (iv'e been physically threatened on jobs that they have somehow believed are thiers even when they haven't quoted)
I also do clear ups for the local auths and i go into sites vacated by the traveller families and it is astonishing how much mess and damage is caused and left behind for the taxpayer to clear up,
My kids go to school with gypsy kids but the kids don't stand a chance because they get settled then they get moved, there is no continuation for them and this comes out in the behaviour at school which is not the kids fault they are too young to understand but the adults should keep the education up then the kids would be at the top of the class instead of always playing catch up.
I dont blame people for wanting to be away from the eyes of big brother and float under the radar but don't expect the rest of the people to be happy about it when there are signs of obvious lawbreaking happening and no way to have any come back.
There are alot of rumours and reputations with gypsies admitedly but there are also alot of truths too, you cannot fight the system, use the frankly laxidaisy laws for your own gain and then claim you are being victimised.
but hey thats just me i take as i see.

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unionworkeruk

Galbee

I think I have said enough already but I cannot disagree with a lot of what you say about some, maybe many, Gypsies. Saying Gypsies should have the right to legal settled sites does not mean I actually like or approve of their behaviour. In a mainly hostile world that shows itself in many ways from calling for their extermination, as under Hitler, to the bullying of their kids at school they react in a equally hostile way to the rest of us.
I too have worked on the buildings and am horrified at the tricks some Gypsies/Travellers pulls off but then so do many non Gypsy builders. I have been conned by both. Equally the mugs who employ them at the prices they give should not be forgotten. How many builders do you know who always ask cash in hand and how many people employing the lowest quote equally prefer the fiddle. It is not just the Gypsy!
By supporting legal sites for Gypsies I think this is the first step to breaking the cycle of mistrust between the settled community and the Travellers. A simple example is the Gypsy guy who tried to con me he had done some work on a roof. Far easier to find on a settled site and sort out! Equally their kids going to school regularly means they will mix more with non Gypsies. Both will learn to get on together and Gypsy kids will get the opportunity to find different ways of making a living beside conning the non Gypsy.
As I have said before Gypsies who break the law should not get away with it. As for the police in your case, it was a cop out. No way should they use the excuse that there might be trouble not to investigate further. They use the same excuse on some estates where I live.
I live near a one Gypsy and one Irish Traveller site. Both have been established for over 20 years. The kids go to school. Some now go to college possible one or two will go to university. The parents run legal, they have too, small jobbing firms. They pay rent, council tax and all other bills. In fact little different to the rest of us. I prefer that to the illegal semi outlaw
sites which is your experience.
I get a lot of abuse when I occasionally tap out a letter in favour of legal Gypsy sites. It is as if I approve of and am responsible for the many crimes committed by some Gypsies. In fact I,as you, want to end the criminality and anti-social behaviour of some Gypsies and believe the best way is through legal sites.
The story that started this debate has now been exposed as a lie, as I said at the beginning. Epping Council and the Government has said they have no intention of taking over people gardens for Gypsy sites (sounds daft when you actually think about it). A field next to a house was given as one of 27 options by a private consultancy employed by the council. The document was seen by a friend of the owner of the field and the story took off.
All the Gypsy haters jumped on the bandwagon and the story rolled on and got bigger and bigger till I read of government inspectors roaming the country looking for back gardens to nationalise for Gypsies. Ludicrous but you can read it on this site!
If more people calmed down, dealt in facts and looked for a solution as we have done, rather than go off on a rant continuing the cycle of Gypsy/non Gypsy antagonism, we might move some way to ending the problems you and I have encountered with Gypsies.
Good Luck

Eric Frei

Source:As thief gets away with caution, boss who marched him to police lands false imprisonment charge | Mail Online

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Garry Brockley

Need i say more! madness madness a judisiary system that protects the guilty and attacks the innocent the police in this instance should be fined for wasting the publics money and time. i must say the boss was a better man than me rather than take him to the police i would have knee capped the thieving shi*.

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