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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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| Soil salinity is a problem in many parts of Australia. Mainly in pastoral areas however as this is a tree site not a farming site I'll stay focused on the role trees play. In a diagramatic way of showing this I found and excellent site and link. NSW SoE 2000: Land Backgrounder Figure 1 In a nut shell the removal of trees for crops and grazing means saline ground water rises to the surface as tree roots aren't there to transpire the water. Trees act like big pumps and the water is transpired thru the trees leaves. Also, increased watering and irrigation for shallow rooted crops means an increase in the water table ... more water going into the soil profile raising the ground water table again. Doesn't happen everywhere but when it does very hard to reverse if at all possible. Anyway, I've attached the diagram from that page just in case they pull it down ... nothing worse than linking to things that become moved or deleted. Some conflict from a reliable source, grass was the dominant native vegetation removed. See post 9 below ![]()
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| Cruisin' Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin TX
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| Ekka Thanks for the post. Slowly but surely we are messing out our habitat in some places in large scale (such as the deforestation by fires) in the Amazons and Orinoco River Basins in order to create cattle ranches. The short term "benefits" to the rancher are short lived when too poor, shallow soils are washed away with the strong rains and they have to repeat the same burning and clearing of the remaining forest to enlarge the areas their cattle can graze on. In the mean time the temps continue to raise, the drought continues to be more extreme (Australia, Georgia and California as examples) and our president continues to say that humans do not have global impact on the environment. ![]() |
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| Gettin' motoring Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Colorado
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| Great information! It illustrates another reason to prevent mass deforestations and to limit the growth of human settlements to those areas that are already urban or suburban cities and townships. |
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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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You know, we are having an election soon, there's not a whole lot of talk about the drought, water, deforestation etc. Seems pretty typical across the globe. ABC over here has a program on Sundays called Landline, very good, very informative. What I have trouble understanding is we have all these geniuses who have solutions and know what's going on. Some fascinating research and evidence ... yet, bugger all mentioned by politicians, it's some-one elses problem apparently. Over here we have an inland river system called the Murray - Darling and I was surprised to learn from an interviewed farmer that the river used to flood every year up until 14 years ago and hasn't flooded since. The salinity issue for some farmers is getting that bad that in the Riverland region their usual crops of grapes and citrus has been given a max 20 year life span due to salinity ... the crops wont take it. In addition their irrigation usage has been dropped to 16% of what it used to be. What a mess. So some innovate and undoubtedly wealthy enough farmers are diversifying into unknown territory here and are planting salt tolerant crops ... dates, yes date palms. Also they showed the CSIRO cover grasses for salty soils to prevent erosion were dying from too much salt ... not even the engineered grasses can take it. Sad fact is the earth is suffering but the election is about tax breaks for pensioners and child care, the winner may be the one who gives the voter most bucks back.
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| Cruisin' Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin TX
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| Hey our election question will be: Is a female able to be President? Could not be any worse than the cowboy we have now! ![]() Are Mormons allowed to be President or only Christians can? Who cares? the more wives he has, the less he is inclined to get us into another Irak. ( Maybe......). ![]() Are you a better President if you have never divorced or if you have been divorced 4 times! Obviously he can not get along with his ladies! ![]() In the mean time the war continues to rage and our soldiers are massacred at a 2 per day rate and 4 on the weekends! How is that for a winning strategy! Ok this is an Arborist Site and I should keep my politics to myself........ Sorry guys! ![]() Now we go back to the regular program! |
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| Cruisin' Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin TX
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| Wow, It looks like I killed the discussion with my last posting. Sorry guys. I will try to keep politics out of here! Last edited by Oldtimer : 26th October 2007 at 02:07 PM. Reason: Correction/Edit |
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| PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland
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| Nah.........you didn't oldtimer, its all good ![]()
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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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| Ah, we're all old salty's here. ![]()
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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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| Some strong contradictive evidence pertaining to the salinity of the Murray Darling Basin (MDB). It appears under scrutiny that it was predominantly grassland not treed. And the removal of the grasses was the problem. Have a read and decide, source is reliable. Solving the dryland salinity problems of the Murray Darling Basin with historical research, observation and logic 2001 Quote:
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| Cruisin' Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin TX
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| Sounds kind of simple to assume that just considering the crop cover will have an impact on the accumulation of salts and desertification of the land. Trees and grasses work in cooperation with each depending on environmental conditions. Depending on rainfall, and the original components of the soils matrix could definetely change the composition of the vegetation growing up the land. (Grasses, shrubs and small trees and larger trees. ) Soils with low permeability and low rainfall will more likely tent to accumulate salts. One factor to consider is the long term changes in the amount of total rainfall and natural erosion and percolation over large portions of the land. Many tropical areas in South America ( and I assume Australia also) are being changed from forested land to pastures and finally to desert in a short period of time ( less than 100 years) The removal of vegetation either trees or pastures will definetely affect the salinity levels in the soil profile. So, it is safe to assume that the changes on salinity mentioned on the study can not be associated exclusively with the change on vegeetative cover but also to large scale changes in rainfall and humidity and temperature. Pretending to revert the changes by reintroducing large numbers of trees into a pasture or semi-desertic area will not likely change the current soil conditions back to what it was one to two hundred years back. The soils profiles have changed too much over time due to natural normal evolution and consolidation and they are not likely to be reverted to its natural state. Nice article Ekka! ![]() |
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