risk

treeseer

new paper on risk

http://www.treeworks.co.uk/downloads..._NF_060907.pdf

Robert STAVROU

Thanks, have always found Fay's work rather interesting. His concept of an Environmental Arborist is an intrigue.

Sean Freeman

It is an excellent paper presenting perfectly the problems we face as a profession trying to balance perceptions with reality in risk...and some ways to overcome those problems....it is a real shame that the BSI did not read this and other papers before heading down the deadend that the draft tree assessment BS is IMO.

treeseer

Yes Neville has a good command of the subject and a well-reasoned approach. In writing the BMP in the USA the committee may narrow its work to a comprehensive look at tree inspection. The views on risk were quite disparate; many here still proclaim that Defect = Hazard = Removal so a saner approach gets drowned out by liability fearmongering.

You mentioned reality vs. perception--I suppose you could say that the perceptions were unresolvable at present, so the ISA seems willing to focus on the reality right now. Trying to nail down the inspection process seems the best way to determine that reality, and hopefully the perceptions will be more guided by facts than fears as a result.

I forgot--is there a draft of the BSI (I assume aussie) about?

Sean Freeman

The BSI is the British Standards Institute, and the draft is BS 8516 Recommendations for Tree Safety Inspections...and yes it really is BS! You can get to it quickly through the Arboricultural Information Exchange website.

treeseer

I found it here Quantified Tree Risk Assessment
comment period is over, and they don't post comments beyond the UK so...

I did not find it here AIE. Arboricultural Information Exchange.

Sean Freeman

Thats odd its on their front page ...anyway...read Mikes letter at QTRA for one the best written and thought through rebuttles of all the rubbish this BS represents...a truely great letter

treeseer

oops, musta blinked. still don't see it. And how will that letter affect the process? How open are the great minds working on that?

Sean Freeman

Mike represents a very significant number of Arbs in the UK and their attitude to the total mess this BS has been...as to how it will affect the outcome of the BSI well that only time will tell the BS itself is unlikely to garner widespread support because of its gross and obvious failings..even the other Govt bodies that advise on risk have questioned or contradicted the BSI and its approach.

Eric Frei

You can also get it quickly here now, it's attached below.

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bs8516draft_Recommendations for tree safety inspections.pdf (374.7 KB, 48 views)

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Sean Freeman

Yes but I wouldn't bother printing it off unless you need toilet paper.

Eric Frei

Well, it's like a document at the idea stage, that's all.

But it could lead to better things.

I do get the feeling you really dont like it though Sean.

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treeseer

Hey I need a favor--can you post this here, so I can send US consultants here to retrieve it?

Attached Files

Schwarze - Trichoderma biocontrol.pdf (2.35 MB, 67 views)

Sean Freeman

Its poorly concieved and poorly composed and so full of errors and faults to be worse than useless.

Eric Frei

Hmmm, now you cheeky bugger, what are you up to, a reversal eh. Well, looks like you posted it but in this thread?

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treeseer

o okay i will just start a new thread with it then

Eric Frei

You did but we had one already going here

Trichoderma | wound dressing | wound painting | Biological controls

So I moved your post to it.

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