Anti Topping Campaign

TrevMcRev · 4th September 2007, 10:40 PM

Found this link. Good to see a community investing in educating the public.

http://www.mocommunitytrees.com/imag...aign_in_MO.ppt

5.4mb powerpoint file

Also I manually uploaded the file http://www.treeworld.info/manualuplo...ngcampaign.ppt

Eric Frei · 4th September 2007, 11:10 PM

Love it, especially point 3 which has now been adopted in the new AS4373 2007! Fancy that.

Here you go.

Quote:

7.3.5 Remedial (restorative) pruning (H)

This type of pruning shall only be carried out on trees which have lost their natural form and structure through storm damage, mechanical damage, vandalism, lopping, dieback or disease. This method is usually only used when all other approaches have failed and replacing the tree is difficult. The purpose of this pruning is to prolong the useful life expectancy of such trees and to reduce their hazard potential.

This type of pruning removes damaged, diseased or lopped branches back to undamaged or healthy tissue. The final cut may not necessarily be at the branch collar. The aim is to induce the production of epicormic shoots from which a new crown is intended to be established. To achieve this, regrowth should be managed by reduction pruning or crown thinning.

NOTES:
1 This type of pruning should be done in several stages in an attempt to induce stable and successful regrowth.
2 Consideration should be given to removing dangerous trees.
3 Remedial pruning may create hazards from weak branch attachment. Trees should be carefully monitored.

Eric Frei · 10th September 2007, 02:21 PM

But pollarding generally commences from a younger age ... in other words you dont go whacking some 100 year old tree in half do you? You know, big 12" dia limbs cut through etc.

And species would have to influence matters too.

Anyway, can you UK guys get some detailed pics up, I like to see what goes on.

The picture below shows a close up of what is not pollarding.

Eric Frei · 20th July 2011, 08:40 PM

Decent document from Newcastle City Council, was used in Laman Street figs Fiasco.

Drouin Tree Service · 20th July 2011, 09:04 PM

Just pollarded about 60+ trees,,, just a phone camera pic ill get some better ones.

These trees get done every year and come up really good

vl2007 · 21st July 2011, 09:41 PM

Here in Florida, (not all counties, but many) topping is illegal. Resulting in fines from the county and insurance companys will drop you. It continues to happen though...hard to enforce because no one turns the home owner in. We need more whistle blowers.

TreeWorker · 5th October 2011, 09:58 PM

In regards to what you were just saying, Eric. Pruning/Pollarding veteran trees, please see attached for an interesting detailed pdf!

p.s: good topping picture! See attached for another ha ha.

Sorry if I'm a little off topic

Eric Frei · 6th October 2011, 11:38 AM

Who is topping those street trees? Council? Is that the first stage for ongoing pollard?

TreeWorker · 7th October 2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

Who is topping those street trees? Council? Is that the first stage for ongoing pollard?

I'd say so. Tree work such as this is almost always done by the local council...

No way man, this is just full blown topping. You would only do a staged pollard on a significant tree

typical-council-worker · 24th November 2011, 01:50 AM

Drives me insane looking @ some of the trees we have in Bunbury. Not many that haven't been lopped/massacred ( they try&call it pollarding) . Problem is as me&1 other guy try to keep ahead on our pruning schedule my manager gets some dildo to come in&lop the crap out of all the trees I've been training for the last 5 years. Banging my head against a brick wall! For some reason they think taking ALL the foliage from the tree will make it easier for next time it's pruned&it will take longer to shoot back. My understanding the more foliage you leave the tree will shoot back slower with less epo (with correct cuts of course) . How do I convince these muppets that in the long run they're wasting money&destroying the trees?

KevinE · 24th November 2011, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by typical-council-worker

Drives me insane looking @ some of the trees we have in Bunbury. Not many that haven't been lopped/massacred ( they try&call it pollarding) . Problem is as me&1 other guy try to keep ahead on our pruning schedule my manager gets some dildo to come in&lop the crap out of all the trees I've been training for the last 5 years. Banging my head against a brick wall! For some reason they think taking ALL the foliage from the tree will make it easier for next time it's pruned&it will take longer to shoot back. My understanding the more foliage you leave the tree will shoot back slower with less epo (with correct cuts of course) . How do I convince these muppets that in the long run they're wasting money&destroying the trees?

Good luck!

KevinE · 24th November 2011, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vl2007

Here in Florida, (not all counties, but many) topping is illegal. Resulting in fines from the county and insurance companys will drop you. It continues to happen though...hard to enforce because no one turns the home owner in. We need more whistle blowers.

I like that! We need that approach here too.

Eric Frei · 24th November 2011, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by typical-council-worker

Drives me insane looking @ some of the trees we have in Bunbury. Not many that haven't been lopped/massacred ( they try&call it pollarding) . Problem is as me&1 other guy try to keep ahead on our pruning schedule my manager gets some dildo to come in&lop the crap out of all the trees I've been training for the last 5 years. Banging my head against a brick wall! For some reason they think taking ALL the foliage from the tree will make it easier for next time it's pruned&it will take longer to shoot back. My understanding the more foliage you leave the tree will shoot back slower with less epo (with correct cuts of course) . How do I convince these muppets that in the long run they're wasting money&destroying the trees?

You run the name and shame camapign, put up pictures and show us.

You join Australian Tree Association Ltd where as a member we take on board your concern and contact council, with links to evidence of malpractice pruning.

Of course if the trees have been previously whacked and you are then re-whacking them cyclically they can argue but for trees that have not been whacked they might get spared. Even whacked trees can have new crowns re-established, that's what AS4373 says. Pollarding isn't really that suitable to an evergreen species, and re-whacking a gum tree every year or two is real desperado stuff.

I wonder how the trees in Mildura are going these days.

Mildura Massacare

4th September 2007, 10:40 PM	#1
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Anti Topping Campaign Found this link. Good to see a community investing in educating the public. http://www.mocommunitytrees.com/imag...aign_in_MO.ppt 5.4mb powerpoint file Also I manually uploaded the file http://www.treeworld.info/manualuplo...ngcampaign.ppt Last edited by Eric Frei; 6th September 2007 at 09:05 PM. Reason: file size awareness + manual upload to our server

10th September 2007, 02:21 PM	#3
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Re: Anti Topping Campaign But pollarding generally commences from a younger age ... in other words you dont go whacking some 100 year old tree in half do you? You know, big 12" dia limbs cut through etc. And species would have to influence matters too. Anyway, can you UK guys get some detailed pics up, I like to see what goes on. The picture below shows a close up of what is not pollarding. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

20th July 2011, 09:04 PM	#5
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,696	Re: Anti Topping Campaign Just pollarded about 60+ trees,,, just a phone camera pic ill get some better ones. These trees get done every year and come up really good Attached Thumbnails __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

21st July 2011, 09:41 PM	#6
vl2007 Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 421	Re: Anti Topping Campaign Here in Florida, (not all counties, but many) topping is illegal. Resulting in fines from the county and insurance companys will drop you. It continues to happen though...hard to enforce because no one turns the home owner in. We need more whistle blowers.

6th October 2011, 11:38 AM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Re: Anti Topping Campaign Who is topping those street trees? Council? Is that the first stage for ongoing pollard? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

24th November 2011, 01:50 AM	#10
typical-council-worker I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bunbury,w.a. Posts: 3	Re: Anti Topping Campaign Drives me insane looking @ some of the trees we have in Bunbury. Not many that haven't been lopped/massacred ( they try&call it pollarding) . Problem is as me&1 other guy try to keep ahead on our pruning schedule my manager gets some dildo to come in&lop the crap out of all the trees I've been training for the last 5 years. Banging my head against a brick wall! For some reason they think taking ALL the foliage from the tree will make it easier for next time it's pruned&it will take longer to shoot back. My understanding the more foliage you leave the tree will shoot back slower with less epo (with correct cuts of course) . How do I convince these muppets that in the long run they're wasting money&destroying the trees?

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