whats going on with my tree??

pb_beaker · 14th July 2008, 09:36 PM

For about 7 months now my tree has been looking worse and worse. Could you help me with some stuff to try or even what the cause may be? Also, what type is it? I do water it and put nutrients down but still no help. Could the other tree be killing it?

spartek · 15th July 2008, 08:03 AM

It looks like the root system took a major hit at some time.Also the emerald ash borer attacks from the canopy downwards.The borer leaves evidence in the form of "D" shaped bore holes ,as their larvae feed on the floum layer beneath the bark.Are the borers known to be in your area.If so ,you can have the tree treated with an injection,it may be too late and it is relatively expensive.Best results are seen in trees protected with the treatment ,cambium layer damage is permanent and the trees vascular system must "re-route" nutrients to survive .Obviously, at some point ,this becomes impossible and death of tree results.Good luck

pb_beaker · 15th July 2008, 12:38 PM

Im in Arizona and from this web site Where is EAB? | Emerald Ash Borer Information Network they dont seem to be down here. Is there anything i can do to help it or even save it? What type of insecticide or even fertilizer should i use here in arizona.

Ekka · 15th July 2008, 04:10 PM

Lets see pictures of the trunk where it goes into the ground.

I'm of the opinion too that it's root damage. Not much you can do about that.

pcarborist · 15th July 2008, 08:11 PM

You may not have EAB, but you may have lilac borer (Podosesia syringae. Is that a velvet ash?

pb_beaker · 17th July 2008, 11:51 AM

heres some pics of the base.

treevet · 18th July 2008, 02:37 AM

too much backfill possibly. no buttress roots apparent.

Ekka · 18th July 2008, 02:43 AM

The whole stone thing ..... grrrr, I cant stand that idea, sorry. I grind stumps and stones cost me money in many ways.

Also I think they're useless as a mulch, hard to rake up from, noisy to walk on, suck if your bare foot, get kicked onto the lawn then the mower pings them out breaking windows, kids walk past pick up a handful and "rock ya roof", cats of the neighbourhood think it's a big litter tray, maybe worms even have trouble getting around on them but I'm not sure about that one, they heat up in the sun, they sink into the soil, etc etc etc

But hey, if you like them well that's your choice.

spartek · 18th July 2008, 12:57 PM

Whats being done for weed control.I'm wondering if something was sprayed to keep weeds away.I dont see one weed.

spartek · 18th July 2008, 01:00 PM

Hey everybody, do you think the weight of the stone could be "pressuring" the root system? Thoughts ?

pb_beaker · 18th July 2008, 01:09 PM

Thanxs spartek, I forgot all about that. I do spray complete vegitation killer on my weeds and i could of sprayed the tree, darn. The rocks are only 1-2 inches thick.

TreeSpecialist · 25th July 2008, 12:44 PM

Herbicide? very likely!

They're meant to kill broad leaf weeds. Biggest broad leaf weed in your yard - trees!

Even Round Up® will do that to a tree with no organic matter on the ground.

In Arizona with sand for soil, Round Up® (glyphosate) will kill all kinds of trees. i

It doesn't break down until it hits significant organic matter - something I suspect is absent in your area.

As TreeVet pointed out - they're way too deep - no visible root flares. As container grown trees, girdling roots may be an issue as well. Pull the stones back to a 3 foot radius around the tree, expose the root flares removing any girdling roots. Replace the stones with a little mulch and the trees will be better for it.

treevet · 25th July 2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreeSpecialist

Herbicide? very likely!

They're meant to kill broad leaf weeds. Biggest broad leaf weed in your yard - trees!

Even Round Up® will do that to a tree with no organic matter on the ground.

In Arizona with sand for soil, Round Up® (glyphosate) will kill all kinds of trees. i

It doesn't break down until it hits significant organic matter - something I suspect is absent in your area.

As TreeVet pointed out - they're way too deep - no visible root flares. As container grown trees, girdling roots may be an issue as well. Pull the stones back to a 3 foot radius around the tree, expose the root flares removing any girdling roots. Replace the stones with a little mulch and the trees will be better for it.

I asked Al Shigo once about the possible persistence of "broad leaf" weed killers and he faxed me back and agreed and even admitted to having killed a few trees himself. I have the fax up on my bulletin board in his memory.

pb_beaker · 25th July 2008, 03:58 PM

can the tree make a come back?

TreeSpecialist · 28th July 2008, 05:12 AM

The parts that are dead will not come back.

It will be up to you to decide if what is left resembles what you want in a tree.

14th July 2008, 09:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
pb_beaker Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Peoria, az Posts: 5	whats going on with my tree?? For about 7 months now my tree has been looking worse and worse. Could you help me with some stuff to try or even what the cause may be? Also, what type is it? I do water it and put nutrients down but still no help. Could the other tree be killing it?

15th July 2008, 08:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
spartek Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ohio, USA Posts: 44	Re: whats going on with my tree?? It looks like the root system took a major hit at some time.Also the emerald ash borer attacks from the canopy downwards.The borer leaves evidence in the form of "D" shaped bore holes ,as their larvae feed on the floum layer beneath the bark.Are the borers known to be in your area.If so ,you can have the tree treated with an injection,it may be too late and it is relatively expensive.Best results are seen in trees protected with the treatment ,cambium layer damage is permanent and the trees vascular system must "re-route" nutrients to survive .Obviously, at some point ,this becomes impossible and death of tree results.Good luck

15th July 2008, 12:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
pb_beaker Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Peoria, az Posts: 5	Re: whats going on with my tree?? Im in Arizona and from this web site Where is EAB? \| Emerald Ash Borer Information Network they dont seem to be down here. Is there anything i can do to help it or even save it? What type of insecticide or even fertilizer should i use here in arizona.

15th July 2008, 04:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: whats going on with my tree?? Lets see pictures of the trunk where it goes into the ground. I'm of the opinion too that it's root damage. Not much you can do about that. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

15th July 2008, 08:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
pcarborist Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PC Posts: 59	Re: whats going on with my tree?? You may not have EAB, but you may have lilac borer (Podosesia syringae. Is that a velvet ash?

17th July 2008, 11:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
pb_beaker Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Peoria, az Posts: 5	Re: whats going on with my tree?? heres some pics of the base.

18th July 2008, 02:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
treevet Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 1,522	Re: whats going on with my tree?? too much backfill possibly. no buttress roots apparent.

18th July 2008, 02:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: whats going on with my tree?? The whole stone thing ..... grrrr, I cant stand that idea, sorry. I grind stumps and stones cost me money in many ways. Also I think they're useless as a mulch, hard to rake up from, noisy to walk on, suck if your bare foot, get kicked onto the lawn then the mower pings them out breaking windows, kids walk past pick up a handful and "rock ya roof", cats of the neighbourhood think it's a big litter tray, maybe worms even have trouble getting around on them but I'm not sure about that one, they heat up in the sun, they sink into the soil, etc etc etc But hey, if you like them well that's your choice. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

18th July 2008, 12:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
spartek Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ohio, USA Posts: 44	Re: whats going on with my tree?? Whats being done for weed control.I'm wondering if something was sprayed to keep weeds away.I dont see one weed.

18th July 2008, 01:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
spartek Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ohio, USA Posts: 44	Re: whats going on with my tree?? Hey everybody, do you think the weight of the stone could be "pressuring" the root system? Thoughts ?

18th July 2008, 01:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
pb_beaker Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Peoria, az Posts: 5	Re: whats going on with my tree?? Thanxs spartek, I forgot all about that. I do spray complete vegitation killer on my weeds and i could of sprayed the tree, darn. The rocks are only 1-2 inches thick.

25th July 2008, 12:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
TreeSpecialist Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 201	Re: whats going on with my tree?? Herbicide? very likely! They're meant to kill broad leaf weeds. Biggest broad leaf weed in your yard - trees! Even Round Up® will do that to a tree with no organic matter on the ground. In Arizona with sand for soil, Round Up® (glyphosate) will kill all kinds of trees. i It doesn't break down until it hits significant organic matter - something I suspect is absent in your area. As TreeVet pointed out - they're way too deep - no visible root flares. As container grown trees, girdling roots may be an issue as well. Pull the stones back to a 3 foot radius around the tree, expose the root flares removing any girdling roots. Replace the stones with a little mulch and the trees will be better for it.

25th July 2008, 03:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
pb_beaker Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Peoria, az Posts: 5	Re: whats going on with my tree?? can the tree make a come back?

28th July 2008, 05:12 AM	#15 (permalink)
TreeSpecialist Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 201	Re: whats going on with my tree?? The parts that are dead will not come back. It will be up to you to decide if what is left resembles what you want in a tree.

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