Tree-to-Ground Guying

Sean Freeman

There should be noone camping at the end there at all, that was the advice over 12 months ago and the advice I documented in my report 1 month ago!

No campers, no target....the cabling will take the limb structure back against the tree in the event of failure and it will end up exactly where the tent is!!! The whole area currently being used for sites (against best advice) should be fenced (low horse rails will do) decompacted mulched and PHC put in place....but as we all know you can tell a mug just can't tell him much!!!

Tree owners will in the end do as they wish despite all our efforts.

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Sean

Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky,
We fell them down and turn them into paper,
That we may record our emptiness.
- Kahlil Gibran

George Hayduke

Sean,

If I read this right, you installed the cables but didn't get the area cordoned off? Is that right?

I would NEVER do that...it's either everything or nothing. By installing the cables the implication will be made that you left the tree with an adequate hazard reduction. Again...based on the few pictures, I would never take that potential liability.

But maybe I'm missing sumpin'

Ekka

What I'm missing here is this.

So who asked for the report? And why would they ignore it? This part just doesn't make sense.

Is this a private or council park?

It wouldn't be Jacobs Well would it?

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Sean Freeman

Its a caravan park at Jacobs Well, not sure how things work your end of the wood George? but here you can't force someone to do follow tree management recommendations, you can only make it perfectly clear what you believe the likely outcomes are going to be...I'm not going to put the report up here, but my recommendations were crystal clear about the importance of the measures I outlined above.....It is quite likely that the situation has changed since those pics were taken BTW

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Sean

Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky,
We fell them down and turn them into paper,
That we may record our emptiness.
- Kahlil Gibran

Sean Freeman

I didn't install these cables unfortunately (I would have liked to) a good friend did, and did a grand job...do they represent adequate hazard reduction? In combination with the measures outlined above more than adequate IMO.

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Sean

Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky,
We fell them down and turn them into paper,
That we may record our emptiness.
- Kahlil Gibran

treeseer

Not implications--those are made by the writer/doer. I think you mean "inferences", which are completely in the mind of the beholder, and are nothing to fear if one does a competent job of specifying, disclaiming, and performing.

Words do make a difference. O and on that, nice post by Treelore. It's nicer here with the temp down.

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redstree

Something that I do, when I want to document a recomendation, for work on a particularly hazardous tree, that the customer does not want to remove, is to mail, thru the old snail mail, my recomendations with "return reciept requested". This way I have their signature on an official US document from the US Post Office that says they have received my recomendations, along with the date they received it.

After reading the whole thread I will stick with my original thought. Based upon the amount of decay damage visible on the outside of the trunk, and the description of how far you could insert a handsaw into the trunk, I would be recomending removal of that tree. There are just too many targets for that tree to hit and far to extensive decay to ever think that you could "make it safe".

To think that this tree is going any way but downhill from here is delusional. It will be a process of constant monitoring and deadwood removal inspite of all efforts at soil remediation, fertilization, and anything else that can be done.

I have installed tree to ground anchoring systems for basically healthy trees that were exposed to potentially strong winds blowing in off the ocean, especially during the hurricane season. I know that these type of systems do work as none of the trees we protected came down even if they did lose some branches. It is just that in this case we are not starting with a healthy tree. What we are talking about here would be like trying to build a tall building on a weak and compromised frame. It might look OK, but it will not last.

If the customer is going to ignore your "professional" recomendations then you need to have them sign off on them. Just to CYA.

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