Pine Beetles

Therrin · 29th December 2007, 10:58 PM

Out here in southern California, alot of the pines in the area I live and the places I work are being hit by pine beetles.

Wanted to know if there are some feedback you all have for:

1. Specific things to look for showing that beetling is happening. (what, where to find it, etc)
2. Treatment if available, and how it's administered.
3. Pruning tips for such pines.

It's sad to see some of them go if they could've been saved, and some that h.o.'s are asking me if they can be treated.

bigshea13 · 30th December 2007, 04:36 PM

over here we havent been hard hit yet but its certain to arrive. im no expert but its like anything else in nature. when large populations of species enjoy prolonged life spans they , with age, become weak and unable fight off enviromental factors that in their youth may not have been a huge problem. many of our larger natural forests have been protected from things like logging, pesticides,invasive species, disease, forest fires, ect. this allowed them to flourish. theyve done well for years but finally mother nature wins again. the lost of many of our pristine forests is inevitable. we need to gear up for the future. plant....plant...plant.
some people think fire is the only way to rid them. fires=notrees=nobeatles=new growth. scientists are trying to use nemitodes to decrease the beatles rate of reproduction.
the pioneer beetles come first...they burrow into bark and lay eggs in the phloem section. they carry a fungus with them as well as pherimones which attraxt other beetles. the fungus block the trees sticky secreation and acts as an anticoagulant in the tree. the tree basically bleed to death turning the needles reddish brown.
hugebonfire!

newguy18 · 1st January 2008, 03:39 PM

heres a good read on pine beetles in your area I hope this helps.
Bark Beetles Management Guidelines--UC IPM

JCTrees · 6th January 2008, 05:17 PM

I am not an expert but I have been working with bark beetles in Ponderosa pine in Arizona for a few years. Some of the signs of beetles here are pitch tubes, these are where the beetle bores in to lay its larva. The trees natural defense is to "flush" the beetles out. A sign of active beetles is when the pitch tubes have red saw dust in them. The IPS Beetle attacks the crown of the tree through fresh slash. The beetles are capable of living in a tree up to seven generations. On my computer at work I have some articles from the Arizona State Land forester and others I will see about sending those this week. I ran a fuels crew for a local fire district, in which I have gotten very familiar with this information due to or work with the state forester and a private forester. If you have anyother questions please write.
Good Luck,
Colin Port
Affordable Fellers LLC
affordablefellers@gmail.com
cmp2921@yahoo.com

ropensaddle · 6th January 2008, 05:28 PM

People here used to spray lindane six to eight foot up the
bark and it helped but one needs to understand eradication
of a bug is sometime detrimental in phc, many bugs or organisms
live in symbiosis with one another! Also the good bugs in phc can
be killed, introducing further stress to a already stressed tree.
Most times all we can do is limit them to populations that
the tree can endure!

dannyboysfc · 6th January 2008, 09:55 PM

Permethrin trunk spray.

Ekka · 8th January 2008, 10:09 PM

Darn you guys got some tree eating bug fests, EAB, Pine Beetles, SOD, oak wilt, fusarium wilt, etc topped off with crazy storms, snow, ice, hurricanes, flooding ... no wonder you tree blokes doing well!

TreeDimensional · 8th January 2008, 10:20 PM

There are a few heading south from Canada as well. Western Ash bark beetle, mountian pine beetle, cottony psylid, and the ever present gypsy moth.

Quintrex · 8th January 2008, 11:05 PM

You got Dutch Elm Disease there as well?

TreeDimensional · 9th January 2008, 08:08 PM

Quintrex, I don't know if you're asking me, but I'll answer anyway. YES, in the Eastern side of the province. The government brought in pruning and removal regulations in January of '05.

The number of infected trees has not risen much in the last 5 year, due inpart to a program called the Costshare elm pruning program. This program splits the cost of pruning between the qualifying cities (and towns) and the Saskatchewan Enviornment Department.

I am attaching a copy of the regulations, have a look and let me know what you think. Its not perfect but it beats nothin'.

29th December 2007, 10:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Pine Beetles Out here in southern California, alot of the pines in the area I live and the places I work are being hit by pine beetles. Wanted to know if there are some feedback you all have for: 1. Specific things to look for showing that beetling is happening. (what, where to find it, etc) 2. Treatment if available, and how it's administered. 3. Pruning tips for such pines. It's sad to see some of them go if they could've been saved, and some that h.o.'s are asking me if they can be treated. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

30th December 2007, 04:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 378	Re: Pine Beetles over here we havent been hard hit yet but its certain to arrive. im no expert but its like anything else in nature. when large populations of species enjoy prolonged life spans they , with age, become weak and unable fight off enviromental factors that in their youth may not have been a huge problem. many of our larger natural forests have been protected from things like logging, pesticides,invasive species, disease, forest fires, ect. this allowed them to flourish. theyve done well for years but finally mother nature wins again. the lost of many of our pristine forests is inevitable. we need to gear up for the future. plant....plant...plant. some people think fire is the only way to rid them. fires=notrees=nobeatles=new growth. scientists are trying to use nemitodes to decrease the beatles rate of reproduction. the pioneer beetles come first...they burrow into bark and lay eggs in the phloem section. they carry a fungus with them as well as pherimones which attraxt other beetles. the fungus block the trees sticky secreation and acts as an anticoagulant in the tree. the tree basically bleed to death turning the needles reddish brown. hugebonfire!

1st January 2008, 03:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,679	Re: Pine Beetles heres a good read on pine beetles in your area I hope this helps. Bark Beetles Management Guidelines--UC IPM __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

6th January 2008, 05:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
JCTrees I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Prescott, Arizona USA Posts: 1	Re: Pine Beetles I am not an expert but I have been working with bark beetles in Ponderosa pine in Arizona for a few years. Some of the signs of beetles here are pitch tubes, these are where the beetle bores in to lay its larva. The trees natural defense is to "flush" the beetles out. A sign of active beetles is when the pitch tubes have red saw dust in them. The IPS Beetle attacks the crown of the tree through fresh slash. The beetles are capable of living in a tree up to seven generations. On my computer at work I have some articles from the Arizona State Land forester and others I will see about sending those this week. I ran a fuels crew for a local fire district, in which I have gotten very familiar with this information due to or work with the state forester and a private forester. If you have anyother questions please write. Good Luck, Colin Port Affordable Fellers LLC affordablefellers@gmail.com cmp2921@yahoo.com

6th January 2008, 05:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
ropensaddle Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 48	Re: Pine Beetles People here used to spray lindane six to eight foot up the bark and it helped but one needs to understand eradication of a bug is sometime detrimental in phc, many bugs or organisms live in symbiosis with one another! Also the good bugs in phc can be killed, introducing further stress to a already stressed tree. Most times all we can do is limit them to populations that the tree can endure!

6th January 2008, 09:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 121	Re: Pine Beetles Permethrin trunk spray.

8th January 2008, 10:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Re: Pine Beetles Darn you guys got some tree eating bug fests, EAB, Pine Beetles, SOD, oak wilt, fusarium wilt, etc topped off with crazy storms, snow, ice, hurricanes, flooding ... no wonder you tree blokes doing well! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

8th January 2008, 10:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
TreeDimensional Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 381	Re: Pine Beetles There are a few heading south from Canada as well. Western Ash bark beetle, mountian pine beetle, cottony psylid, and the ever present gypsy moth. Last edited by TreeDimensional : 8th January 2008 at 10:20 PM. Reason: sp

8th January 2008, 11:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Quintrex Mature tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 464	Re: Pine Beetles You got Dutch Elm Disease there as well? __________________ Heightmaster

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