palm trees

richardgib

Hello everyone
I'm new here and just happen to have a question about climbing palm trees
with gaffs, will the gaffs in anyway cause injury to the tree
thanks
RICHARD

Eric Frei

Yes they will.

What sort of palm is it, how tall is it, and can it be accessed by ewp or cherrypicker?

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richardgib

EKKA
I don't know what kind of palm it is. I would say it's about 70 or 75 feet tall
my bucket reaches almost halfway and it is accessable to bigger truck

Eric Frei

Hmmm, how about a picture then.

Does it have "fan" shaped leaves or long ones?

Maybe describe it. The reason I say this is because differnet palms compartmentalize different ways, some are no worries some rot out. But a bigger bucket is always the best way to go IMHO.

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Therrin

So you've got a bucket truck! That's great!

What do you do with it? I'm only asking because it seems you aren't familiar with spikes, and aren't familiar with specific trees.... sooo...what do you use it for?

As for spiking the palms... if we said "oh yeah, you can shove as many pieces of steel into a palm and cut it and make it look like crap and tear it to pieces and it'll all be okay... would you beleive me?

Of course spiking it will damage it (to some degree). But what is your intent? Do you need to take some dead fronds off? Do you have spikes? You obviously have a bucket truck. Do you know someone who was going to use spikes on it? What did they say about it? etc...

richardgib

my bucket truck is for telephone work,yes i have my own climbing gear
I turned the job down ,lady wanted her palms done for about $20 a tree
told her to get herself a wetback thanks for the help everyone
richard

Eric Frei

Yes, it's almost a universal phenomena, people up palms with chainsaws must be viewed as low paying labourers worth a lot less than other trades.

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newguy18

yep thats about how they view all tree workers it seems like but they treat the washing machine repair man like a saint.

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quercus

I'd tell her to train a monkey to remove fronds then...

I get sick of this... These are a few things that I'll tell them...

"You made us a fixed price, but the job went a bit faster then planned. That usually implies that we have to pay less."
-Would you gladly pay more if it took five days longer? Thought so...

"A guy in our street will do this work for half the price!!"
-Here's my card, call me when he's at it, and I'll come and hire him. Sorry for wasting your time...

"A few tree-guys who came over to make an estimate, but they say it can't be done!"
-Those who say it can't be done, should get out of the way of the ones who are doing it.

Like I said... I get sick of this.

dannyboysfc

Therrin, come on man take it easy, you are starting to come across as a sarcastic D$#k.



Why don't you explain the term wetback and what you are using it to refer to.

Therrin

I can answer that for ya Danny. Wetbacks are mexicans.... migrant mexican workers who have no business being in the country, but they get paid to do things that alot of other people don't want to do. Why pay someone $20/hr to do something if you can pay someone else $5/hr right?

As for the other... you could use PM to call me a sarcastic d1ck... otherwise I could use the forum to tell you you're a pr1ck for calling me out publicly. See how that works? At least I got the answers I was looking for.

I had a guy ask me the other day "so is the tree heavier when it's full of water?" Sarcasm is just lost on some people. Tell ya what, you lighten up a little, and I'll try to be more serious. =)

dannyboysfc

Therrin,

I think you took me more seriously than I actually meant it. I didn't mean for you to get your panties in a bunch. Take it easy man, we dont need critical, sarcastic comments flying around thats all.

As for the wetback thing, I am a little more serious about that. Racism is not cool or acceptable in any way.

Eric Frei

Often my little kids are fighting in the background. Two lil girls squabbling over something I have no idea about. So, I go over there to stop the squabbling, yeah they even scratch, punch and kick each other. As I'm closing in on the crime scene the court's in session, both start giving testimony like bullets flying out of a machine gun.

She did it, no this happened bla bla bla ... and then I get there, hopefully none have run away coz then I gotta go track them down and it gets worse.

Anyway, they both cop it!

And comes the yelling but it was her fault and bla bla bla and they cop more then.

Really bad, copping it is like confiscation of the toy causing the issue, quiet time in the room, and although the parents of angels might argue the odd tap with my back scratcher (but rarely coz it loses impact every time you do it).

Once they calmed down I remind them that I'm not there to administer justice, just silence as hopefully that paves the way to them thinking about their own skills in trying to get what they want without pissing everyone in the house off. Capiche

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Sean Freeman

I stand with you on that one Danny all the way

newguy18

gotta agree too.i gave up being prejudice,its unhealthy.

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TREEMONKEY

Not Cool!

But anyone that works for 1/4 the going rates Sucks it brings the hole business down.

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shaggs

There is always someone prepared to take the risk for the sake of $15. Yet when it goes pear shaped they scream to high heaven.......sorry cant have it both ways.
Maybe we should carry some pictures of when things go wrong????

Nice comments Quercus

dguntertrees

Absolutely Danny.

People might want to think about why someone would choose to travel many miles, live away from their family and do shit work for a pittance?
Maybe...oh...I don't know...because they don't have a choice?
(See, now thats sarcasm).

Also. I'm an immigrant to Australia (as is approx half the population it seems), and I'm sure that we all know someone (in the UK, US or Aus) who is. We all do our best to get by and make enough cash to live in the way that we want to live (or as close to it as possible). Who cares where we do it?

AND another thing (just the one) it seems to me that, if all the "illegal" labour in the US decided to go home, the whole place would grind to a halt....

Eric Frei

The story of Texas quite an interesting and confusing one.

History of Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mind you I found this azz whooping interesting to read.

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Therrin

I was reading back over this post and realized that I came across like an asshole, my appologies mates! Coulda been the cheap beer speaking.

Having come across a palm job myself in the meantime... I can say they really are alot bigger problem than they appear to be if you've never had to do one before.

I realize there are proponents for spiking palms, because it's too much of a hassle to do it a different way, especially if they're in the the backyard and not accessible via a bucket truck.

I'm going to attempt to put a line over the top, tie a running bowline, ascend the line, lanyard it, and work it from the top down. We'll see how it goes! Spikeless!

newguy18

[QUOTE=Therrin;21758]I was reading back over this post and realized that I came across like an asshole, my appologies mates! Coulda been the cheap beer speaking.
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so you admit to p.u.i[posting under the influnce].

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Therrin

I think 90% of the users here are guilty of P.U.I. NG =)

Most ban's are probably influenced by it as well. Then people wake up in the morning and go "omg what did I do! What did I say?" lol

Victor Lindsay

I used my bigshot today to set a false croch, then clipped a pully to it, and my climbing line, (Ddrt). works great! Setup time 5-15 minutes each palm. I also use Ekka's method ascent instead of body thrusting, or footlocking the tall. Ekka explained how to do this in one of the threads. Many thanks Ekka!

Eric Frei

Vl2007, were you doing washingtonia's?

See if you can get some pics.

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Victor Lindsay

Today, high coconut palms in back yard. Taking photos was on my mind today too. I was busy training my ground guy to setup the next tree to save on setup time. I'm gurth hitching a cord for foot holds when at the top, to get right up to the heart, and to move around the trunk. Thinking about using a five foot lenght of climbing line clipped to the bull rope and swivel pulley, then a pantin on my foot.

Arizona Kenn

We have a LOT of palms here in the desert and nobody wants to cut them down, we look for shade from a telephone pole. If they got thorns I charge more... lol. If I have to deal w/ something fighting back it increases the hassle factor, increases the cost.

TreeDimensional

I'll swap you any day! What part of the state are you workin' in?

Arizona Kenn

I'm in Tucson, high desert climate. We expect a freeze here tonight but it was nice today, 70s, I thought we were done with the cold weather.

Therrin

Kenn,

I'm familiar with that area, I spent a while living in Green Valley, just south of there. You're definitely right about things with thorns. You've got all these retirement communities there, tons of people who need walkers and canes, and the whole place is filled with cacti!!

Not too long before I left the storms were really wreaking havok on the palms... that and the late cold snaps had killed many and there were head-less palms all over the place. What a mess!