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Old 17th April 2007, 02:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am glad to be with you. I live in Athens, Greece, and I have just planted some Red Maple & Ginnala Flame seeds I ordered from Canada. The seeds seem to grow quite well and the temperature is around 17-23' C. My problem is, OK these trees are hardy to zone 3, but what about HEAT? Summer in Greece can be very hot, up to 40' C. Is that going to ruin my seedlings? How can I prevent the scorching of the leaves? (It has happened before, when I tried to grow Clematis vine on my hedge)...
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Old 17th April 2007, 03:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Here's a product that could help.

http://www.antistress.com/ASMan6.html

Also maybe put 4 stakes around the seedlings and cover with a shade cloth.

Ensure right soil and mulch conditions.

In my experience of hot dry summers in Adelaide, it was those hot windy days that did the damage. Around seedlings the shade cloth will break that wind down to.

Shade clothe comes in different %'s of blockout, 90% down to 50% around here. Scale it over the years so the seedlings adjust, 1st year maybe an 80%, second year 50%.
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Old 17th April 2007, 06:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi.

My dad was born in Athens - I haven't been there, yet. Maybe I'll get a chance in about 10 years.

Your summer high of 40C is 104F

Our area in Southern Oregon, sees 98F to 104F almost every summer, with 105F to 108F being more unusual.

The red maples survive here, but what usually damages them, is too much sun on the trunk - a sunset side sunburn.

The ones that are healthier, have been mulched, are irrigated, and were allowed to grow and spread a canopy that shades the trunk nicely.

Red maple is one of my favorites, but is not a prime selection for our climate - for most people that is.

If you can find and order one, check out a "Chitalpa" some time. Seems to thrive in the summer heat, here.

Not "Catalpa" - but, "Chitalpa"
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Old 19th April 2007, 02:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Here's a product that could help.

http://www.antistress.com/ASMan6.html

Also maybe put 4 stakes around the seedlings and cover with a shade cloth.

Shade clothe comes in different %'s of blockout, 90% down to 50% around here. Scale it over the years so the seedlings adjust, 1st year maybe an 80%, second year 50%.

Thanks for the immediate response
No Greek importer have ever heard of such a thing as Antistress?. and it would be rather extravagant to place an overseas order for a gallon of it. Further on, it would never pass the Greek border, because it is illegal to import any chemical products without license from the Ministry of Industry and Technology (sic?I?ve tried it before).
As for the shade cloth, my local supplier has never heard of such a thing, and advised me to use a sheet of a synthetic cloth commonly used in Greece for collecting olives as well as for the protection of young olive trees from hot, dry winds. (In the last decade we have suffered several desert storms directly blown from Sahara, sweeping over the country with a reddish cloud of dust -- Sahara sand is rather red than yellow?) Anyway, is this wrap OK? One never knows, but I will give it a chance. It is dark shiny grey, very much like the commercial potato bags we see in the supermarket? Can that be it?
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Maybe these pics will give you an idea.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...=1&sa=N&tab=wi
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Hi.

My dad was born in Athens - I haven't been there, yet. Maybe I'll get a chance in about 10 years.

Your summer high of 40C is 104F

Our area in Southern Oregon, sees 98F to 104F almost every summer, with 105F to 108F being more unusual.

The red maples survive here, but what usually damages them, is too much sun on the trunk - a sunset side sunburn.

The ones that are healthier, have been mulched, are irrigated, and were allowed to grow and spread a canopy that shades the trunk nicely.

Red maple is one of my favorites, but is not a prime selection for our climate - for most people that is.

If you can find and order one, check out a "Chitalpa" some time. Seems to thrive in the summer heat, here.

Not "Catalpa" - but, "Chitalpa"

My dad was born in Athens too, but I was raised in Sweden - hence my love for trees and shrubs that thrive in northern regions...
My maples are at the moment safely placed under a very old pommegranate tree, which offers them a light and comfortable shade. Sunset sunburn is out of the question: my house is on the way.
I don't know what cultivar I grow, but having it sent from Canada, I guess it is definitely not "Chitalpa"...

PS. What kind of space does a red maple need? The ground available is rather narrow 11m X 17M. Can I prune it? That is, if everything goes well and it grows that big...
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Old 19th April 2007, 02:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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[quote=Ekka;3667]Maybe these pics will give you an idea.

Yessss!!!!! I have seen exactly these nets in fish-farms! Now I know what I am after.
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They breathe better, lots of tiny holes. I think the potato sacks could get like an oven nearby.
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