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Old 6th August 2008, 07:36 AM   #1
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Hello everyone! Hopefully this isn't a question that has been gone over time and time again...I tried searching on the forums, and wasn't coming up with anything so here goes.

I have 4 large oak trees in my yard, and one in particular has developed what looks like black tar running down the trunk and branches. In the one trail on the trunk, when you mess with the whole in the tree, little black ants go scurrying. I've included pics and would definitely appreciate any help!!

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Close up from above pic ---


Further up the trunk ---


Branch of the tree ---
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Old 6th August 2008, 05:15 PM   #2
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That's a Petrolius oblengatus whose roots have encountered a small underground oil pool. Some have been known to be productive enough to allow their owners to purchase a new fuel-efficient car.

There are some companies offering the kind of scam; selling a soil dipstick that would indicate future revenues. I'd avoid those as they are expensive and don't really provide as much information as the traditional oil stain on the basement wall.

Then again if you ask around, I rarely know what I'm talking about, so you will have to wait for somebody to give you a straight answer. It won't take long, this is an Oz site and they're straight as they come.

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Looks to me like bacterial wetwood or slime flux. Is usually resin that comes from injurys or old pruning wounds. It also can come from inclusions or co-dominant leaders (also known as tree farting). The bacteria latch onto it and turn it into the black stained colour. Aphids and ants feed on the liquid aswell. Kind of like powdery mildrew on citrus... hopes this helps
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Looks to me like bacterial wetwood or slime flux. Is usually resin that comes from injurys or old pruning wounds. It also can come from inclusions or co-dominant leaders (also known as tree farting). The bacteria latch onto it and turn it into the black stained colour. Aphids and ants feed on the liquid aswell. Kind of like powdery mildrew on citrus... hopes this helps


Looks like slime flux to me, as far as i know its no major.
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Old 6th August 2008, 10:53 PM   #5
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Looks to me like bacterial wetwood or slime flux. Is usually resin that comes from injurys or old pruning wounds. It also can come from inclusions or co-dominant leaders (also known as tree farting). The bacteria latch onto it and turn it into the black stained colour. Aphids and ants feed on the liquid aswell. Kind of like powdery mildrew on citrus... hopes this helps
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Looks like slime flux to me, as far as i know its no major.
So from what I'm reading about slime flux, there is nothing to prevent it or cure it? And I'm not going to lose my beautiful oak tree?
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Old 6th August 2008, 11:09 PM   #6
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Not likely a slime flux but a "fungal" infection from Phytophthora cinnamomi. (Actually classified as a water mold.)

Common to red oaks. Can be dried up with AlietteŽ or SubdueŽ fungicide.

You're not likely to loose the tree. Turn off the water around the tree.

I don't know of a good organic product that will work.

As the disease progresses, the wounds weep a sweet sticky substance attractive to a variety of insects. The material will eventually ferment and smell rather foul.
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Not likely a slime flux but a "fungal" infection from Phytophthora cinnamomi. (Actually classified as a water mold.)
Yes at academic conferences i hear it called a "fungus-like organism". How sure are you that this infection is from that genus?
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Common to red oaks. Can be dried up with AlietteŽ or SubdueŽ fungicide.
If the flow is from a crotch 20' up, will a trunk/soil drench control it?

I would scrub the area, for looks and health.
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How sure are you that this infection is from that genus?
After working with red oaks weekly for 34 years with multiple independent lab confirmations, I'd be willing to bet on it.

With oak wilt a significant and well-known problem around here, folks see this problem in their red oaks and jump to conclusions, so frequent sampling is done to put their mind at rest.

With Phytophthora infections, we don't see the crown wilting and dying back - just the bleeding cankers.

Soil and root crown drench with AlietteŽ or SubdueŽ dry it up fairly quickly. Red oaks have relatively large vessels and take up material very fast. Trunk injections are also effective and can be absorbed in as little as 15 minutes with optimal conditions.

Scrubbing the area only will clean up the outside of the wound and won't stop the fluxing.

As a waterborne mold, the organism reproduces with a zoospore - a fungal- like spore with a flagella that moves it through the water stream.

Cutting back on irrigation or improving drainage is also crucial in treating this problem.

When trees look sick, most folks will water more - not less- before calling in the arborist. Our native red oaks do great with only rainfall.
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Great info; thanks much. I usually use phosphite for infections down lower, but the others sound worth a try.
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Very different to what occurs in Australia. Our trees get dieback.

Phytophthora root rot - fact sheet

More for you guys with ooaks, same disease, different symptoms.

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