Arb Titles in Australia.

swordsta · 29th January 2012, 03:04 AM

Hi all,

Im new here and was looking for some help. I'm currently in the Uk but am looking at coming over to Aus soon. Im about to be a fully qualified Arb officer. ( been climbing for some years now) I cant seem to find what the title of this position is in Aus so I cant find what the salary is. Iv asked a few people over there what a Arb officer salary is, but they don't seem to know what an Arb officer is. So Im assuming it has a different title over there, could anyone please enlighten me.

Many thanks.

Jeff Darby · 29th January 2012, 05:47 AM

In Australia we have 3 levels that can be studied in arboriculture.

Level 2 Treeworker
Level 3 Arborist
Level 5 Consulting Arborist

up until recently we also had level 4 which was designed for Supervisory positions.

We also have a card system which I will only mention a few

White card is OHS card...must have
Chainsaw tickets highly valued by employers
Close approach for close proximity electrical tree trimming
Traffic control min Blue card

Truck license min MR

the term officer over here is generally used while employed by local government such as Tree maintenance officer/ tree protection officer so there you have it.

swordsta · 29th January 2012, 06:20 AM

Hi Jeff

Thanks for responding. Just to clarify, someone may work for a Arb company with no chainsaw tickets? its optional? I presume the consulting arborist is what I'm looking for, in Europe this would be the individual who carries out surveys on trees to see if they need any work, dangerous or not etc. He would hold all the legal ramifications should he do a survey for local authority, he would also dedicate what work needs to be done. Is this what a consulting Arborist would do?

Jeff Darby · 29th January 2012, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by swordsta

Hi Jeff

Thanks for responding. Just to clarify, someone may work for a Arb company with no chainsaw tickets? its optional? I presume the consulting arborist is what I'm looking for, in Europe this would be the individual who carries out surveys on trees to see if they need any work, dangerous or not etc. He would hold all the legal ramifications should he do a survey for local authority, he would also dedicate what work needs to be done. Is this what a consulting Arborist would do?

#1 yes and no, bigger company's government jobs is a must, smaller company's as long as you demonstrate chainsaw competence you should be ok

#2 level 3 can specify work to be done on trees, level 5 can consult and give advice on maintence, write reports, oversee's project work, and any other aspect of tree related work and needs professional liability insurance.

swordsta · 29th January 2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Darby

#1 yes and no, bigger company's government jobs is a must, smaller company's as long as you demonstrate chainsaw competence you should be ok

#2 level 3 can specify work to be done on trees, level 5 can consult and give advice on maintence, write reports, oversee's project work, and any other aspect of tree related work and needs professional liability insurance.

Ok I see, in Europe its law to hold all these tickets/licenses and college/university is optional but required when local authority is involved.

So my qualification would translate to a level 5 or consulting Arborist. Do you happen to know what the average salary for this position is? and do most companies have a consulting Arborist or is genrally local authority only?

Jeff Darby · 29th January 2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by swordsta

So my qualification would translate to a level 5 or consulting Arborist. Do you happen to know what the average salary for this position is? and do most companies have a consulting Arborist or is genrally local authority only?

The answer to this one is mixed, some companies the level 5 is the company, some companies have level 5 are on the tools, some companies consult and also practice arb in the field.

local authorities seem to march to the tune of their own drum...

swordsta · 29th January 2012, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Darby

The answer to this one is mixed, some companies the level 5 is the company, some companies have level 5 are on the tools, some companies consult and also practice arb in the field.

local authorities seem to march to the tune of their own drum...

Ye, pretty much the same here then, its all dependent on the company and individual, as for the local authority,

they make the rules as they go along, so not much different there too.

Just one last bit of info if you wouldn't mind. I believe a climber can earn from 40 - 60k a year? So what would a consultant earn then. I think my climbing days are over, Im under 35 but I recently cracked vertebrae in my back leaving my climbing days numbered.

Jeff Darby · 29th January 2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by swordsta

Ye, pretty much the same here then, its all dependent on the company and individual, as for the local authority,

they make the rules as they go along, so not much different there too.

Just one last bit of info if you wouldn't mind. I believe a climber can earn from 40 - 60k a year? So what would a consultant earn then. I think my climbing days are over, Im under 35 but I recently cracked vertebrae in my back leaving my climbing days numbered.

another good question that has no real answer...as it is to varied once more, one would like think more than 60K a year just to make all your study time pay. Some would make great money and some not so great...I have been told consulting is a lonely life...

swordsta · 29th January 2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Darby

another good question that has no real answer...as it is to varied once more, one would like think more than 60K a year just to make all your study time pay. Some would make great money and some not so great...I have been told consulting is a lonely life...

I would like to believe that this studying was worth it, or at least hope it was. To be honest Im really not keen on paper work at all, but circumstance leaves it at, either I leave tree work all together or consult/survey. I can definitely believe surveying is a lonely existence, the only time we see our arb officer is when he is still surveying an area and we rock up to start the contract. Besides that hes like a phantom, delivering work from some unknown force over yonder.

Thanks very much for your help, I really appreciate it.

Brent Ferris · 29th January 2012, 02:49 PM

Bones will usually heal on their own, if you give them the right nutrients. How bad are the cracked vertebrae?

ArbTrain · 29th January 2012, 05:49 PM

Gday.. i know blokes in Oz who climb for $660- / day.. and i know blokes who climb AROUND POWER LINES and take home well less than $1000- / week...as with so many aspects of the Arb. / Hort world - there is very little in the way of industry agreements/ standards/ etc.. pretty much, what ever deal you can broker for yourself- thats what you'll get.. BTW.. its ( unfortunately) true that many seem to get away with no chainsaw ticket... GOOD LUCK dealing with the INSURANCE CO. / WORK COVER when/ if something goes wrong.

PS; I have just done training for a bloke who's wife called me- didnt want to actually get a 'ticket" - just cuts firewood in his own backyard / weekend block. however , she wants him TO BE SAFE.. i reckon she's a bloody champion

swordsta · 29th January 2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by treeshaveneeds

Bones will usually heal on their own, if you give them the right nutrients. How bad are the cracked vertebrae?

Hi mate, Its the second time Iv'e cracked them in a year, almost a year to the day apart. Iv'e been advised its only going to get worse with time. Sport plus laboring have left me in this position. Problem is when I do crack them Im out of action for up to four or five months at a time. Its leaves me totally buggered. Being someone who cant stay indoors for set amounts of time this four months in a brace and taking it easy makes me want to scratch my eyes out. So the logical choice is to stay within the industry without climbing.

swordsta · 29th January 2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ArbTrain

Gday.. i know blokes in Oz who climb for $660- / day.. and i know blokes who climb AROUND POWER LINES and take home well less than $1000- / week...as with so many aspects of the Arb. / Hort world - there is very little in the way of industry agreements/ standards/ etc.. pretty much, what ever deal you can broker for yourself- thats what you'll get.. BTW.. its ( unfortunately) true that many seem to get away with no chainsaw ticket... GOOD LUCK dealing with the INSURANCE CO. / WORK COVER when/ if something goes wrong.

PS; I have just done training for a bloke who's wife called me- didnt want to actually get a 'ticket" - just cuts firewood in his own backyard / weekend block. however , she wants him TO BE SAFE.. i reckon she's a bloody champion

The laws in Europe are a strange on too. It is law to be fully qualified for arb work,
climbing ticket, cross cutting, felling small, medium and large tree ticket, chainsaw from a rope and harness ticket, rigging ticket.
You generally need to hold a minimum of a level 2 for local authority or major firm work, as you must be able to identify a dangerous tree if you've been sent up and its bio-mechanically not sound. BUT, bobby the carrot cake maker may own an electrical or petrol saw and "fell if he wants in his yard or cut firewood for himself without any need for a ticket!!!! It is also these guys that generally wind up with a saw stuck in their leg. There was an older bloke over here a few years back who stood on a ladder and dropped the saw onto his wife decapitated her. Needless to say this went down as an arb accident in the government records!!!

thumbs up to the wife for getting him to be safe.

derwoodii · 29th January 2012, 07:37 PM

Awww I miss read the thread saw arb titties .....Dang it....

ArbTrain · 29th January 2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by swordsta

The laws in Europe are a strange on too. It is law to be fully qualified for arb work,
climbing ticket, cross cutting, felling small, medium and large tree ticket, chainsaw from a rope and harness ticket, rigging ticket.
You generally need to hold a minimum of a level 2 for local authority or major firm work, as you must be able to identify a dangerous tree if you've been sent up and its bio-mechanically not sound. BUT, bobby the carrot cake maker may own an electrical or petrol saw and "fell if he wants in his yard or cut firewood for himself without any need for a ticket!!!! It is also these guys that generally wind up with a saw stuck in their leg. There was an older bloke over here a few years back who stood on a ladder and dropped the saw onto his wife decapitated her. Needless to say this went down as an arb accident in the government records!!!

thumbs up to the wife for getting him to be safe.

HOLY SH%T!!! thats horrible..she should have made a phone call- to a divorce lawyer

ArbTrain · 29th January 2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by derwoodii

Awww I miss read the thread saw arb titties .....Dang it....

Brent Ferris · 30th January 2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by swordsta

Hi mate, Its the second time Iv'e cracked them in a year, almost a year to the day apart. Iv'e been advised its only going to get worse with time. Sport plus laboring have left me in this position. Problem is when I do crack them Im out of action for up to four or five months at a time. Its leaves me totally buggered. Being someone who cant stay indoors for set amounts of time this four months in a brace and taking it easy makes me want to scratch my eyes out. So the logical choice is to stay within the industry without climbing.

Are you up to a private message?

Eric Frei · 30th January 2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by treeshaveneeds

Are you up to a private message?

He has to wait 3 physical days too.

swordsta · 31st January 2012, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by treeshaveneeds

Are you up to a private message?

I am mate, no worries.

swordsta · 2nd February 2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by swordsta

I am mate, no worries.

Has now been waiting three physical days.

29th January 2012, 06:20 AM	#3
swordsta Sappling Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: cardiff Posts: 14	Re: Arb Titles in Australia. Hi Jeff Thanks for responding. Just to clarify, someone may work for a Arb company with no chainsaw tickets? its optional? I presume the consulting arborist is what I'm looking for, in Europe this would be the individual who carries out surveys on trees to see if they need any work, dangerous or not etc. He would hold all the legal ramifications should he do a survey for local authority, he would also dedicate what work needs to be done. Is this what a consulting Arborist would do?

29th January 2012, 02:49 PM	#10
Brent Ferris Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,555	Re: Arb Titles in Australia. Bones will usually heal on their own, if you give them the right nutrients. How bad are the cracked vertebrae? __________________ My business: Tree Pruning and Removals -- Strump Removals -- Advice -- Consulting -- Arborist Reports Consulting Forester If you want an honest opinion, call Brent Ferris...because, Trees want to Live Too ! We do great jobs, even in small yards. Free Estimates Oakville to Oshawa - North to Bradford (Will travel further if cost of travelling covered) Email -- treeshaveneeds@3web.com Cell 416-460-5704

29th January 2012, 05:49 PM	#11
ArbTrain Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Coast Posts: 126	Re: Arb Titles in Australia. Gday.. i know blokes in Oz who climb for $660- / day.. and i know blokes who climb AROUND POWER LINES and take home well less than $1000- / week...as with so many aspects of the Arb. / Hort world - there is very little in the way of industry agreements/ standards/ etc.. pretty much, what ever deal you can broker for yourself- thats what you'll get.. BTW.. its ( unfortunately) true that many seem to get away with no chainsaw ticket... GOOD LUCK dealing with the INSURANCE CO. / WORK COVER when/ if something goes wrong. PS; I have just done training for a bloke who's wife called me- didnt want to actually get a 'ticket" - just cuts firewood in his own backyard / weekend block. however , she wants him TO BE SAFE.. i reckon she's a bloody champion __________________ http://www.arbtrain.com.au

29th January 2012, 07:37 PM	#14
derwoodii Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 406	Re: Arb Titles in Australia. Awww I miss read the thread saw arb titties .....Dang it....

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29th January 2012, 03:04 AM	#1
swordsta Sappling Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: cardiff Posts: 14	Arb Titles in Australia. Hi all, Im new here and was looking for some help. I'm currently in the Uk but am looking at coming over to Aus soon. Im about to be a fully qualified Arb officer. ( been climbing for some years now) I cant seem to find what the title of this position is in Aus so I cant find what the salary is. Iv asked a few people over there what a Arb officer salary is, but they don't seem to know what an Arb officer is. So Im assuming it has a different title over there, could anyone please enlighten me. Many thanks.

29th January 2012, 05:47 AM	#2
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	Re: Arb Titles in Australia. In Australia we have 3 levels that can be studied in arboriculture. Level 2 Treeworker Level 3 Arborist Level 5 Consulting Arborist up until recently we also had level 4 which was designed for Supervisory positions. We also have a card system which I will only mention a few White card is OHS card...must have Chainsaw tickets highly valued by employers Close approach for close proximity electrical tree trimming Traffic control min Blue card Truck license min MR the term officer over here is generally used while employed by local government such as Tree maintenance officer/ tree protection officer so there you have it. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

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