Your PPE?

JohN Dee · 25th May 2007, 07:19 PM

Just thinking/posting of PPE I thought I'd ask around what you guys wear? This isn't a rag bs(WorkCover/Safe) post I'm just curious to see what gets supplied and what you supply.

So if you are the Employer tell us what PPE you provide and what your policies are(Regarding PPE). If you're an employee tell us what gets supplied to and what policies you have to follow.

My PPE that is supplied is:
Stihl Hard hat
Hard hat mounted ear muffs (35Db block)
Stihl Safety Glasses Anti-Fog The upgrade to Anti-Fogs was well worth it. I used to have to dump the safety's all the time due to them fogging up, but with these blokes they havn't fogged once.
Riggers leather gloves
Hi Vis shirt or A - One uniform
Steel Caps
Backbraces
Soon to come chainsaw pants.

The policies that are in place regarding PPE is basically wear the PPE or go home (literally). I'm currently in the process of documenting my procedures and polices.

Eric Frei · 25th May 2007, 07:28 PM

Errr work for miself mate, stubbies and thongs ... builders crack supplied free of charge.

Haha, just kidding.

Employees to supply own PPE, failure to do so I will supply but it's mine, when employee leaves PPE stays, if employee loses them I replace but deduct from pay.

Message is, it's your PERSONAL protective equipment, just like ya undies and socks, get acquainted with them.

Jeff Darby · 25th May 2007, 07:36 PM

builders crack supplied free of charge.

I hope you supply UV protection for your swipy

LOL...

yooper · 27th May 2007, 03:13 PM

I do all my work with my wife but I try to be strict with with both of our ppe. especialy with hers,.....(she gets paid at night)

And I get tips too.. Although if I hired an employee under Michigan State law I would be required to supply all ppe that was stated under OSHA laws at my expence. We try to work under the same guidelines. I have told her how she has to do things so many times that sometimes she reminds me how I better do it.

TrevMcRev · 28th May 2007, 09:31 PM

I supply:
Hardhat with muffs & visor.
Safety Specs
Gloves
Chainsaw Chaps
Hi Vis vests
Embroidered uniform workshirts, polarfleece vests, caps etc

All above items remain property of the company.
If they want fancy stuff, eg peltors, petzl helmets etc buy it themselves unless earned as a reward.

Worker to supply their own:
Chainsaw Pants
Steel Cap Boots.

Too expensive with individual sizing to run out and buy for a noobie that doesnt end up cutting the jam.

TreeHumper · 30th May 2007, 12:53 PM

I've come to the point where I supply all my own. chainsaw pants, petzl best with screen and muffs, gloves with anti-vibe or nitrite or leather for straight labour. eye protection and safety boots. Sucks that there is no compensation for the expense.

There are some chaps, hardhats and sometimes gloves and earplugs from the employer.

Eric Frei · 30th May 2007, 03:57 PM

Well you can claim in on tax.

But I think I'd prefer to have my own stuff, it's ya personal fitting type of gear.

Sean Freeman · 30th May 2007, 08:20 PM

Stephen, the owner and boss, provides all our PPE, ear plugs, safety glasses (though wearing specs their close to useless for me!) chaps high vis uniforms and anything else that Tim or I might decide is essential and make a case for. I have my own climbing gear that includes my Pacific helmet (but its in need of replacement now)

Drouin Tree Service · 30th May 2007, 08:52 PM

I start buying cutproof pants after theyve done a decent amount of time and brought there first few pairs themselves,everything else i supply.

l2edneck · 31st May 2007, 10:02 AM

I supply the paycheck.......and a ride......

Eric Frei · 31st May 2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l2edneck

I supply the paycheck.......and a ride......

What more could they ask for, anyone else would have them chip in for juice too!

Sean Freeman · 31st May 2007, 08:27 PM

Here's a couple of links for anyone looking for practical justification for the wearing of chainsaw resistant chaps.
http://www.lni.wa.gov/Safety/TrainTo...?VideoID=V0969

http://www.labonville.com/videos/v2.htm

Probably don't watch them if the thought of serious chainsaw bite makes you feel ill.

matt dallas · 2nd June 2007, 05:37 PM

i supply all my own p.p.e, but when it need replacing i get my employer to buy it for me then when i leave then i take it, those films on the chaps are all good but from what accidents that i've seen the saw was never at full revs.

Sparko · 5th June 2007, 12:04 AM

gruesome vids...

newguy18 · 12th July 2007, 06:26 AM

steel toe boots and safty glasses I don't care for ear protection.I want to hear if a limb is starting to break when i cut it or if someone on the ground is hollaring about something I missed.hasent happened yet but better safe than sorry.

Jeff Darby · 12th July 2007, 09:17 AM

Hi Newguy18,
Sounds good in theory but in sad reality even with ear muffs on you can expect hearing loss at about five years doing the wright thing,so without ear protection you'll be deafer than a magot before you know it and you wont hear a freight train speeding your way,I recomend re thinking your theory on earmuffs, ofcourse what you do is your business..but once your deaf your deaf!

allmarktree · 12th July 2007, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

I don't care for ear protection.I want to hear if a limb is starting to break when i cut it or if someone on the ground is hollaring about something I missed.hasent happened yet but better safe than sorry.

After years of no protection you wont be able to hear any more than someone wearing ear protection. I have no problem hearing limbs break or communicating with others. Try it for a while and then tell me it isnt worth it.

I would rather hear my daughter 20 years from now than my coworkers now anyway.

TrevMcRev · 12th July 2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

steel toe boots and safty glasses I don't care for ear protection.I want to hear if a limb is starting to break when i cut it or if someone on the ground is hollaring about something I missed.hasent happened yet but better safe than sorry.

Get some ear muffs or plugs NOW. Every moment you are exposed you ARE damaging your hearing. You wont realise until its too late. You can still tell tell whats going on around you. If your that concerned you can get noise cancelling ones that amplify normal sound like talking so you can hear perfectly for communicating, but the instant loud noise occurs they cancel that out.

eg. When someone stands 5 metres away you can clearly hear them almost whisper to you but if they clap you cant hear it.

Eric Frei · 12th July 2007, 06:34 PM

I must be a nerd!

Got all the right stuff.

Jeff Darby · 12th July 2007, 08:33 PM

Hey can you type a bit louder I cant hear what your typeing,NO NEED TO SHOUT,I'm not bloody deaf ya know..LOL

hamuranahilbily · 12th July 2007, 08:36 PM

I supply Treemotion harness, Edelried helmet with full kit, steel cap boots, C/S chaps, gloves of choice, tissues for when they get paid in eggs & lamb!
Now wonder I can't get staff???

Eric Frei · 12th July 2007, 08:39 PM

You have to give them the lamb alive mate.

TREE-SURFER · 13th July 2007, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

You have to give them the lamb alive mate.

and the wellies

brainfart · 11th August 2007, 09:42 PM

Here in Germany (and I assume most of Western Europe) cut-resistant pants, helmet with visor and hearing protection and cut resistant boots with steel caps are mandatory for all professionals and have to be supplied by the employer. Since employees prefer having their own gear (usually the more expensive and comfortable stuff) they usually receive a fixed sum each year to buy what they personally prefer.
As I said boots need to be cut resistant, made with the same kevlar fabric as pants, simple steel capped boots are not allowed.

Eric Frei · 11th August 2007, 11:48 PM

What sort of boots are they?

And expensive I bet, have you got a link to them/shop etc?

brainfart · 12th August 2007, 02:29 AM

The cheapest boots around are rubber boots, prices start around €45:

Decent "regular" chainsaw boots will cost around €100-150.
Until recently I had these, Haix Protector, price about €160, they are great for winter use in difficult terrain (absolutely watertight, gore-tex etc) but would be totally unsuitable for tropical climate down under

I bet you could climb Mount Everest with them...

I like these (€220):

Many models available in between and even above that price range, but most of them are just too friggin' warm for summer use.

The boots are rated to stop chains up to 20, 24 or 28 meters/second, depending on which protection class they're in.

Don't know any good and cheap English language shops, but a google search for "chainsaw boots" should produce plenty of hits.

Eric Frei · 12th August 2007, 08:40 AM

They got like a plate underneath (built in, sometimes called a shank) so your spikes dont push up on the arches of your feet?

brainfart · 12th August 2007, 09:14 AM

You mean spikes for climbing? Yes, some of those boots can be used with them. The Haix Protector boots that I had also had a steel sole.
http://www.haix.com/eng/downloads/60...tector_pro.pdf (it doesn't mention the steel sole, but mine had them)

Edit: said to work well with spikes, has a kevlar midsole, carbon caps, very lightweight (3 pounds)
https://www.gustharts.com/Products/P...rol%20Fighter/

Eric Frei · 18th August 2007, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainfart

Edit: said to work well with spikes, has a kevlar midsole, carbon caps, very lightweight (3 pounds)
https://www.gustharts.com/Products/P...rol%20Fighter/

With these they reckon they eliminated the steel sole for kevlar so warmer. This looks like a real good boot, you guys certainly got real nice boots.

Mine have just worn out and I dread looking for new ones, nothing like that around here.

polly · 19th August 2007, 07:21 AM

We supply
Chainsaw pants
High vis long sleeved shirts
earplugs and muffs
safety no/fog galsses
gloves
High vis weather proof jackets/vests
helmuts
this is for groundies,
we supply new rope/carabiners for new climbers and fly googles(the steel ones with the holes, look hilarious but really work)
they supply their own steel caps our crew is prettty good with wearing their PPE,
I have had one employee who kept taking his high vis shirt off as he said it was too hot and would'nt soak up the sweat, I am interested to know which brands also breath as we are due to replace our high vis shirts as our logo is fading.The ones we have at the moment is Visitec, which by the way have no holes after 18 months use. Not bad

25th May 2007, 07:19 PM	#1
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 848	Your PPE? Just thinking/posting of PPE I thought I'd ask around what you guys wear? This isn't a rag bs(WorkCover/Safe) post I'm just curious to see what gets supplied and what you supply. So if you are the Employer tell us what PPE you provide and what your policies are(Regarding PPE). If you're an employee tell us what gets supplied to and what policies you have to follow. My PPE that is supplied is: Stihl Hard hat Hard hat mounted ear muffs (35Db block) Stihl Safety Glasses Anti-Fog The upgrade to Anti-Fogs was well worth it. I used to have to dump the safety's all the time due to them fogging up, but with these blokes they havn't fogged once. Riggers leather gloves Hi Vis shirt or A - One uniform Steel Caps Backbraces Soon to come chainsaw pants. The policies that are in place regarding PPE is basically wear the PPE or go home (literally). I'm currently in the process of documenting my procedures and polices. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

25th May 2007, 07:28 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	Errr work for miself mate, stubbies and thongs ... builders crack supplied free of charge. Haha, just kidding. Employees to supply own PPE, failure to do so I will supply but it's mine, when employee leaves PPE stays, if employee loses them I replace but deduct from pay. Message is, it's your PERSONAL protective equipment, just like ya undies and socks, get acquainted with them. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

25th May 2007, 07:36 PM	#3
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	builders crack supplied free of charge. I hope you supply UV protection for your swipy LOL... __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

30th May 2007, 03:57 PM	#7
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	Well you can claim in on tax. But I think I'd prefer to have my own stuff, it's ya personal fitting type of gear. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

30th May 2007, 08:52 PM	#9
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	I start buying cutproof pants after theyve done a decent amount of time and brought there first few pairs themselves,everything else i supply. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

27th May 2007, 03:13 PM	#4
yooper Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Upper Michigan U.S.A. Posts: 128	I do all my work with my wife but I try to be strict with with both of our ppe. especialy with hers,.....(she gets paid at night) And I get tips too.. Although if I hired an employee under Michigan State law I would be required to supply all ppe that was stated under OSHA laws at my expence. We try to work under the same guidelines. I have told her how she has to do things so many times that sometimes she reminds me how I better do it.

28th May 2007, 09:31 PM	#5
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,594	I supply: Hardhat with muffs & visor. Safety Specs Gloves Chainsaw Chaps Hi Vis vests Embroidered uniform workshirts, polarfleece vests, caps etc All above items remain property of the company. If they want fancy stuff, eg peltors, petzl helmets etc buy it themselves unless earned as a reward. Worker to supply their own: Chainsaw Pants Steel Cap Boots. Too expensive with individual sizing to run out and buy for a noobie that doesnt end up cutting the jam.

30th May 2007, 12:53 PM	#6
TreeHumper Sappling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 15	I've come to the point where I supply all my own. chainsaw pants, petzl best with screen and muffs, gloves with anti-vibe or nitrite or leather for straight labour. eye protection and safety boots. Sucks that there is no compensation for the expense. There are some chaps, hardhats and sometimes gloves and earplugs from the employer.

30th May 2007, 08:20 PM	#8
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Stephen, the owner and boss, provides all our PPE, ear plugs, safety glasses (though wearing specs their close to useless for me!) chaps high vis uniforms and anything else that Tim or I might decide is essential and make a case for. I have my own climbing gear that includes my Pacific helmet (but its in need of replacement now)

31st May 2007, 10:02 AM	#10
l2edneck Palm Tree Rat Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 46	I supply the paycheck.......and a ride......

31st May 2007, 08:27 PM	#12
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Here's a couple of links for anyone looking for practical justification for the wearing of chainsaw resistant chaps. http://www.lni.wa.gov/Safety/TrainTo...?VideoID=V0969 http://www.labonville.com/videos/v2.htm Probably don't watch them if the thought of serious chainsaw bite makes you feel ill.

2nd June 2007, 05:37 PM	#13
matt dallas Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6	i supply all my own p.p.e, but when it need replacing i get my employer to buy it for me then when i leave then i take it, those films on the chaps are all good but from what accidents that i've seen the saw was never at full revs.

5th June 2007, 12:04 AM	#14
Sparko I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 2	gruesome vids...

12th July 2007, 06:26 AM	#15
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	my ppe steel toe boots and safty glasses I don't care for ear protection.I want to hear if a limb is starting to break when i cut it or if someone on the ground is hollaring about something I missed.hasent happened yet but better safe than sorry. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

12th July 2007, 09:17 AM	#16
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	Hi Newguy18, Sounds good in theory but in sad reality even with ear muffs on you can expect hearing loss at about five years doing the wright thing,so without ear protection you'll be deafer than a magot before you know it and you wont hear a freight train speeding your way,I recomend re thinking your theory on earmuffs, ofcourse what you do is your business..but once your deaf your deaf! __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011 Last edited by Jeff Darby; 12th July 2007 at 08:39 PM. Reason: Spelling of course!

12th July 2007, 06:34 PM	#19
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	I must be a nerd! Got all the right stuff. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

12th July 2007, 08:33 PM	#20
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	Hey can you type a bit louder I cant hear what your typeing,NO NEED TO SHOUT,I'm not bloody deaf ya know..LOL __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

12th July 2007, 08:36 PM	#21
hamuranahilbily Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Location: Volcanic crater Nth Is NZ Posts: 9	I supply Treemotion harness, Edelried helmet with full kit, steel cap boots, C/S chaps, gloves of choice, tissues for when they get paid in eggs & lamb! Now wonder I can't get staff???

12th July 2007, 08:39 PM	#22
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	You have to give them the lamb alive mate. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

11th August 2007, 09:42 PM	#24
brainfart Sappling Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Europe Posts: 10	Here in Germany (and I assume most of Western Europe) cut-resistant pants, helmet with visor and hearing protection and cut resistant boots with steel caps are mandatory for all professionals and have to be supplied by the employer. Since employees prefer having their own gear (usually the more expensive and comfortable stuff) they usually receive a fixed sum each year to buy what they personally prefer. As I said boots need to be cut resistant, made with the same kevlar fabric as pants, simple steel capped boots are not allowed.

11th August 2007, 11:48 PM	#25
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	What sort of boots are they? And expensive I bet, have you got a link to them/shop etc? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

12th August 2007, 02:29 AM	#26
brainfart Sappling Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Europe Posts: 10	The cheapest boots around are rubber boots, prices start around €45: Decent "regular" chainsaw boots will cost around €100-150. Until recently I had these, Haix Protector, price about €160, they are great for winter use in difficult terrain (absolutely watertight, gore-tex etc) but would be totally unsuitable for tropical climate down under I bet you could climb Mount Everest with them... I like these (€220): Many models available in between and even above that price range, but most of them are just too friggin' warm for summer use. The boots are rated to stop chains up to 20, 24 or 28 meters/second, depending on which protection class they're in. Don't know any good and cheap English language shops, but a google search for "chainsaw boots" should produce plenty of hits.

12th August 2007, 08:40 AM	#27
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	They got like a plate underneath (built in, sometimes called a shank) so your spikes dont push up on the arches of your feet? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

12th August 2007, 09:14 AM	#28
brainfart Sappling Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Europe Posts: 10	You mean spikes for climbing? Yes, some of those boots can be used with them. The Haix Protector boots that I had also had a steel sole. http://www.haix.com/eng/downloads/60...tector_pro.pdf (it doesn't mention the steel sole, but mine had them) Edit: said to work well with spikes, has a kevlar midsole, carbon caps, very lightweight (3 pounds) https://www.gustharts.com/Products/P...rol%20Fighter/ Last edited by brainfart; 12th August 2007 at 09:58 AM.

19th August 2007, 07:21 AM	#30
polly former member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide Hills Posts: 35	We supply Chainsaw pants High vis long sleeved shirts earplugs and muffs safety no/fog galsses gloves High vis weather proof jackets/vests helmuts this is for groundies, we supply new rope/carabiners for new climbers and fly googles(the steel ones with the holes, look hilarious but really work) they supply their own steel caps our crew is prettty good with wearing their PPE, I have had one employee who kept taking his high vis shirt off as he said it was too hot and would'nt soak up the sweat, I am interested to know which brands also breath as we are due to replace our high vis shirts as our logo is fading.The ones we have at the moment is Visitec, which by the way have no holes after 18 months use. Not bad

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