tomahawk stump grinder teeth

Drouin Tree Service · 5th March 2007, 09:54 PM

Bit more agressive cut than super tooth,cheaper.

Eric Frei · 6th March 2007, 06:25 AM

How are they fitted, one side threaded the other not????

I want some, where can I buy and how much. I have 1/2" thick cutter wheel.

TREE-SURFER · 6th March 2007, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_lopa

Bit more agressive cut than super tooth,cheaper.

I sharpen these buggers, and others. Pain in the arse. Who sharpens yours?

Jeff Darby · 6th March 2007, 11:58 AM

We use the super teeth but have been thinking about changing to Tomahawk teeth,we were going to ask you, a-lopa, but you beat us to it by posting, we generally sweat of the old tips and braze on new ones..I think the tips are about $5.50 to your doorstep.

TreeCo · 6th March 2007, 12:51 PM

Do they cut better? Looks interesting.

I use the supertooth on my Rayco 1672 but am open to change.

Drouin Tree Service · 6th March 2007, 06:20 PM

Ill let you make your mind up on cutting better Dan,i think they cut ALOT better for longer. They are a little harder to sharpen but no big deal.

A set on you 72 would be interesting.

this was after lunch with a bit of edge gone,nearly 7hrs grinding today

You Tube

Drouin Tree Service · 6th March 2007, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

How are they fitted, one side threaded the other not????

I want some, where can I buy and how much. I have 1/2" thick cutter wheel.

Marriotts,if you cant get them local let me know ill get you some get Brian to drop them off.

Eric Frei · 6th March 2007, 08:59 PM

What's the deal with them like do you have to buy pockets too? Looks like they've got a pocket thingo of some description.

They'd slaughter palm stumps

And cost?

Drouin Tree Service · 6th March 2007, 09:19 PM

They have pockets but no adjusting just bolt up same as super tooth.The teeth are $18 each cant remember how much the pockets were.

Eric Frei · 6th March 2007, 10:12 PM

But once you got the pockets that's it eh?

What does everyone think of those Green Teeth, you know, circular and you just rotate them for a new edge?

Jeff Darby · 20th March 2007, 01:55 PM

When I first heard of the round adjustable teeth I thought what a good idea,I mean all you have to do is rotate when blunt..this sounds real good but I heard and mind you it's just hear say,rumor,that they rotate back to the blunt section in use ???? have you heard this? or can anyone else elaborate further?
All The Best
JayD

Drouin Tree Service · 20th March 2007, 04:44 PM

Ive heard there rubbish the "green teeth"

Ive been re-tipping the tomahawks its as easy as could be.

Drouin Tree Service · 20th March 2007, 08:22 PM

Heres a few ive re-tipped,makes for very profitable grinding.

TreeCo · 20th March 2007, 10:43 PM

Lopa are you having to rebuild any of the metal around the carbide insert before soldering the carbide insert into place?

I've still got a couple of dozen of the Rayco Superteeth left but those tomahawk teeth will be next on my list.

Jeff Darby · 21st March 2007, 08:38 AM

Hi TreeCo,
Me if the tooth needed extensive build up I think it would be prudent to scrap the tooth,a fracture same again,soldering is a general term we use because we have a lot of training behind us,a bit like driveing you start of with two hands on the wheel and end up with one because it becomes a musle brain thing,with our soldering and being a lot of folk who don't really know how to do it but like all of us want to save money I think we need to be a little more specific,we use a flux coated silver solder (silver solder) as just plain solder would never stand up to the impact,then as the heating medium we use oxy/acet gas with about a size 12 tip...neutral flame..and pre heat the tooth after you place it in a vice tight enought so it wont fall out when hot,make sure you heat all the tooth so it expands reasonably uniform but bring the tip area to a braze temp you know when this because you will be able to easily tap of the old tip keep it all clean before during work

do not touch the tooth when hot because will melt your hand just quick as a saw will cut it of,OUCH,when the tip is removed and the new tip put in place lightly run the braze rod along the meeting surface between the tip and tooth capilary action will pull the braze into the area to be brazed make sure you can see a thin line of the braze around the tip between the the tip and the tooth and above all DONT QUENCH

..eg(cool down fast) let them cool down slowly away from anything that could cool them down faster than normal eg in a breeze coming through your door this important because it could cause the tooth to become brittle.

IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT YOU ABILITY TO SUCESSFULLY UNDERTAKE THIS PROCEDURE PAY A PROFESSIONAL AS YOU COULD INJURE OR KILL SOME ONE OR YOURSELF..This is how I approach re-tiping..not trying to speak down to anybody I just felt we should be a little more specific above all use good judgement.
All The Best
JayD

TreeCo · 21st March 2007, 02:30 PM

Thanks for explaining JayD.

Drouin Tree Service · 21st March 2007, 08:10 PM

It very easy to have the tip and tooth red hot when braising on,i use flux coated bronze.

Eric Frei · 21st March 2007, 09:51 PM

OK, so what do you guys use for oxt/acetelyne?

Last I priced it all it came near $1k! and they would only sell me a box of silver solder rods for like a few hundred bucks!

But the welder dude round the corner wants $10 a tip to do it and the new tips are $5 so I dont bother.

Jeff Darby · 21st March 2007, 10:45 PM

Hi Ekka,
I use to have it done the same way untill I put them in for a re-tip..I wont mention who it was,they took them off me and said come back later which I did because of a quote I had to do,just to find them still sitting the same place untouched,Well I spunout,as I had a job that was urgent,all they said was sorry and shrugged their shoulders,I have all the gear welders,mig,oxy/acet so at least I can trust myself!!done a much better job than they used to aswell,they didn't worry if you could not see braze all around the tip like a new tip all they could say they have never lost a a tip done this way but as you know when you have proper technical training which I have,and yourself in a different but allied trade,you know what cuts it and what doesn't,This is why I make some of my own gear,but if its not worth my sweat I dont do it!but when they were reliable $10 bucks a tip turned me on.

Drouin Tree Service · 21st March 2007, 10:49 PM

Ekka if you look around you can find and oxy set second hand(trading post etc)cheaply,filling the bottles down here you need a plumber/boilermaker to use there account or get them to do it.

Jeff Darby · 21st March 2007, 11:05 PM

good idea a-lopa but try find a friend first who's got an account with the same size bottle you want,comet3 is a good allround system,but they also have comet 2 aswell and you can get small trade bottles these days designed for easy movement around a site,I have the large bottles they last a few years and I think you can hire bottles out from BOC by the day??so try find a buddy and share costs they pay for themselves in the long run,my stuff sits there sometimes for a month or so but when you need them and its there there worth there weight in gold. and source your brazeing sticks from your tip supplyer

Drouin Tree Service · 21st March 2007, 11:14 PM

Small bottles are the go,its not hard getting them filled really.

Drouin Tree Service · 22nd March 2007, 10:56 PM

Bit of overhang see what happens.

Jeff Darby · 23rd March 2007, 08:11 AM

a-lopa,
Time will tell,my first reaction was,..ohh..[translated dont like the look of that!]I would have tried to build up from the back of the tip to the front of the tooth,like a fillet weld,[ triangular support]..carbide is extreemly hard and in most cases hard equals in the wright conditions unsupported,they could fail if your unlucky..be carefull,if they go to ground great ..jeez..I know a few months back I hard part of a stump came back at me under the curtains of my grinder which sent me cross eyed for a while,got me wright where you dont want to be got!!##%##..keep us informed.

Eric Frei · 23rd March 2007, 11:09 PM

He grinds heaps of pine stumps, be OK unless there's those dreaded rocks around, especially those 75mm washed river rocks! Those buggers dont break.

Drouin Tree Service · 24th March 2007, 12:14 AM

I hit a granite rock this week a real big one,took some carbide off

TrevMcRev · 3rd October 2007, 09:28 PM

Just got a set today. Will see how these go. Thanks for the tip alopa.

Eric Frei · 4th October 2007, 09:52 PM

Fitted them today and gave them a run, very good.

Here's a 1min 5mb WMV video

www.palmtreeservices.com.au/video/tomahawk.wmv

Drouin Tree Service · 4th October 2007, 10:32 PM

Works well that grinder...

Eric Frei · 4th October 2007, 11:05 PM

Well, Ted Boreman doesn't think so, but he's broke!

5th March 2007, 09:54 PM	#1
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	tomahawk stump grinder teeth Bit more agressive cut than super tooth,cheaper. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

6th March 2007, 06:25 AM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	How are they fitted, one side threaded the other not???? I want some, where can I buy and how much. I have 1/2" thick cutter wheel. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

6th March 2007, 11:58 AM	#4
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	We use the super teeth but have been thinking about changing to Tomahawk teeth,we were going to ask you, a-lopa, but you beat us to it by posting, we generally sweat of the old tips and braze on new ones..I think the tips are about $5.50 to your doorstep. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

6th March 2007, 08:59 PM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	What's the deal with them like do you have to buy pockets too? Looks like they've got a pocket thingo of some description. They'd slaughter palm stumps And cost? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

6th March 2007, 09:19 PM	#9
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	They have pockets but no adjusting just bolt up same as super tooth.The teeth are $18 each cant remember how much the pockets were. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

6th March 2007, 12:51 PM	#5
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 307	Do they cut better? Looks interesting. I use the supertooth on my Rayco 1672 but am open to change.

6th March 2007, 10:12 PM	#10
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	But once you got the pockets that's it eh? What does everyone think of those Green Teeth, you know, circular and you just rotate them for a new edge? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

20th March 2007, 01:55 PM	#11
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	When I first heard of the round adjustable teeth I thought what a good idea,I mean all you have to do is rotate when blunt..this sounds real good but I heard and mind you it's just hear say,rumor,that they rotate back to the blunt section in use ???? have you heard this? or can anyone else elaborate further? All The Best JayD __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

20th March 2007, 04:44 PM	#12
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	Ive heard there rubbish the "green teeth" Ive been re-tipping the tomahawks its as easy as could be. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

20th March 2007, 08:22 PM	#13
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	Heres a few ive re-tipped,makes for very profitable grinding. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

20th March 2007, 10:43 PM	#14
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 307	Lopa are you having to rebuild any of the metal around the carbide insert before soldering the carbide insert into place? I've still got a couple of dozen of the Rayco Superteeth left but those tomahawk teeth will be next on my list.

21st March 2007, 08:38 AM	#15
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	Hi TreeCo, Me if the tooth needed extensive build up I think it would be prudent to scrap the tooth,a fracture same again,soldering is a general term we use because we have a lot of training behind us,a bit like driveing you start of with two hands on the wheel and end up with one because it becomes a musle brain thing,with our soldering and being a lot of folk who don't really know how to do it but like all of us want to save money I think we need to be a little more specific,we use a flux coated silver solder (silver solder) as just plain solder would never stand up to the impact,then as the heating medium we use oxy/acet gas with about a size 12 tip...neutral flame..and pre heat the tooth after you place it in a vice tight enought so it wont fall out when hot,make sure you heat all the tooth so it expands reasonably uniform but bring the tip area to a braze temp you know when this because you will be able to easily tap of the old tip keep it all clean before during work do not touch the tooth when hot because will melt your hand just quick as a saw will cut it of,OUCH,when the tip is removed and the new tip put in place lightly run the braze rod along the meeting surface between the tip and tooth capilary action will pull the braze into the area to be brazed make sure you can see a thin line of the braze around the tip between the the tip and the tooth and above all DONT QUENCH ..eg(cool down fast) let them cool down slowly away from anything that could cool them down faster than normal eg in a breeze coming through your door this important because it could cause the tooth to become brittle. IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT YOU ABILITY TO SUCESSFULLY UNDERTAKE THIS PROCEDURE PAY A PROFESSIONAL AS YOU COULD INJURE OR KILL SOME ONE OR YOURSELF..This is how I approach re-tiping..not trying to speak down to anybody I just felt we should be a little more specific above all use good judgement. All The Best JayD __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

21st March 2007, 02:30 PM	#16
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 307	Thanks for explaining JayD.

21st March 2007, 08:10 PM	#17
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	It very easy to have the tip and tooth red hot when braising on,i use flux coated bronze. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

21st March 2007, 09:51 PM	#18
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	OK, so what do you guys use for oxt/acetelyne? Last I priced it all it came near $1k! and they would only sell me a box of silver solder rods for like a few hundred bucks! But the welder dude round the corner wants $10 a tip to do it and the new tips are $5 so I dont bother. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

21st March 2007, 10:45 PM	#19
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	Hi Ekka, I use to have it done the same way untill I put them in for a re-tip..I wont mention who it was,they took them off me and said come back later which I did because of a quote I had to do,just to find them still sitting the same place untouched,Well I spunout,as I had a job that was urgent,all they said was sorry and shrugged their shoulders,I have all the gear welders,mig,oxy/acet so at least I can trust myself!!done a much better job than they used to aswell,they didn't worry if you could not see braze all around the tip like a new tip all they could say they have never lost a a tip done this way but as you know when you have proper technical training which I have,and yourself in a different but allied trade,you know what cuts it and what doesn't,This is why I make some of my own gear,but if its not worth my sweat I dont do it!but when they were reliable $10 bucks a tip turned me on. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

21st March 2007, 10:49 PM	#20
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	Ekka if you look around you can find and oxy set second hand(trading post etc)cheaply,filling the bottles down here you need a plumber/boilermaker to use there account or get them to do it. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

21st March 2007, 11:05 PM	#21
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	good idea a-lopa but try find a friend first who's got an account with the same size bottle you want,comet3 is a good allround system,but they also have comet 2 aswell and you can get small trade bottles these days designed for easy movement around a site,I have the large bottles they last a few years and I think you can hire bottles out from BOC by the day??so try find a buddy and share costs they pay for themselves in the long run,my stuff sits there sometimes for a month or so but when you need them and its there there worth there weight in gold. and source your brazeing sticks from your tip supplyer __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

21st March 2007, 11:14 PM	#22
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	Small bottles are the go,its not hard getting them filled really. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

22nd March 2007, 10:56 PM	#23
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	I wonder how these will go Bit of overhang see what happens. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

23rd March 2007, 08:11 AM	#24
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,057	Overhang??? a-lopa, Time will tell,my first reaction was,..ohh..[translated dont like the look of that!]I would have tried to build up from the back of the tip to the front of the tooth,like a fillet weld,[ triangular support]..carbide is extreemly hard and in most cases hard equals in the wright conditions unsupported,they could fail if your unlucky..be carefull,if they go to ground great ..jeez..I know a few months back I hard part of a stump came back at me under the curtains of my grinder which sent me cross eyed for a while,got me wright where you dont want to be got!!##%##..keep us informed. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

23rd March 2007, 11:09 PM	#25
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	He grinds heaps of pine stumps, be OK unless there's those dreaded rocks around, especially those 75mm washed river rocks! Those buggers dont break. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

24th March 2007, 12:14 AM	#26
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	I hit a granite rock this week a real big one,took some carbide off __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

3rd October 2007, 09:28 PM	#27
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,594	Re: tomahawk stump grinder teeth Just got a set today. Will see how these go. Thanks for the tip alopa.

4th October 2007, 09:52 PM	#28
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	Re: tomahawk stump grinder teeth Fitted them today and gave them a run, very good. Here's a 1min 5mb WMV video www.palmtreeservices.com.au/video/tomahawk.wmv __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

4th October 2007, 10:32 PM	#29
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,724	Re: tomahawk stump grinder teeth Works well that grinder... __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

4th October 2007, 11:05 PM	#30
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,990	Re: tomahawk stump grinder teeth Well, Ted Boreman doesn't think so, but he's broke! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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