TM-Southern Div Chipper Development

jim1nz · 28th October 2007, 01:19 PM

Tree Machine and me have come up with a few ideas of mods on smaller chippers around 6 inch

I reckon if ya got to use chippers big chippers are great, plenty of grunt, powerful hydraulics, they will real in plenty and spit it out fast.

But what if you want a light, maneuverable around by hand, cost effective chipper to chip brush not fire wood then lets put a few things together...here

This is a few ideas TM was kicking around

Onboard splitter, throttle control at the back, adjustable engine cover, third knife in the disc (or four?), flow-control for the infeed speed, what else.... autofeed Plus, vise posts front and back, 14" turf tires, swiveling front caster wheel jack, some other jack mounts to make the chipper jackable and a pull-outable, retractable tarp system for under the back underside of the chipper. Brakes...

Ekka · 28th October 2007, 01:24 PM

You two really need to stop going to that pub together.

jim1nz · 28th October 2007, 01:47 PM

Na couple more months yet, have to get me VISA sorted

, with it was as easy as Aussie! Hey i might cruz over there some time this summer, be able to have a beer then

cher

Ekka · 28th October 2007, 02:04 PM

I think you gotta sign one of those orifice inspection forms to enter the US Jim.

But, we been getting hammered here all night by storms, hail, wind etc ... might be the breaking of the drought?

Any time ya round we'll catch up, glad to here all is good over there, no bikini groundies here mate!

Tree Machine · 29th October 2007, 07:58 AM

I was watching the world news this morning, and saw that Coastal Australia was getting hammered by a tropical doozie. Tornadoes being spawned, all kinds of havoc with power and roads, and trees, lots of tree damage shown. The news really crams a lot into twenty seconds.

I hope you weathered the storm, Ekka.

Yes, this thread could be titled The Personal Industrial Chipper.

Do you mind if I comment on this?

Ekka · 29th October 2007, 08:10 AM

I was in the centre of that storm, it was bad but not that bad.

I really would like to get one of those scanners the media people have coz I didn't find many downed trees at all, in fact, it was rather dissapointing ... they must tap into the SES or cops or something.

Guys, you gonna need a full blown factory soon, stuff the trees lets build gear.

shaggs · 29th October 2007, 09:09 PM

Onboard splitter, throttle control at the back, adjustable engine cover, third knife in the disc (or four?), flow-control for the infeed speed, what else.... autofeed Plus, vise posts front and back, 14" turf tires, swiveling front caster wheel jack, some other jack mounts to make the chipper jackable and a pull-outable, retractable tarp system for under the back underside of the chipper. Brakes...

make it a four way splitter with small conveyor next to feed chute....hydraulic drive to both wheels so it can drive on its own and pivot on the large jockey wheel (like a zero turn ride on)......esky......have i thought about this too much???

TrevMcRev · 30th October 2007, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Esky

Now ya talking

JayD · 30th October 2007, 01:23 AM

And hydraulic self feeding arms,...and a chair to sit on..LOL.. No serious..LOL!

Tree Machine · 30th October 2007, 06:00 AM

I'm liking it so far.

The purpose of this is not a 'concept' chipper. My 6" is 10 years old. I have better than half the features listed above and love them all. A few were part of the build at the factory. A few were welded on or installed here at the northern hemisphere division.

At 10 years old, it's days are numbered, even though its been running like a dream, almost better than new.

Running like a dream, but I feel if I put it in someone elses hands, they could kill it, or if I tried to recruit an Arborist team and we split the chipper betwen ourselves, we would kill it. The little bugger has thousands of hours of brush munching and it's the main pillar on the cleanup side of things, well, between the chipper and the list of firewood people, the backpack blower does the rest. Losing firewood people, or the blower, I can keep working. Having the chipper go defunct, that would drop The Tree Machine, Northern Hemisphere Division, to its knees.

Our goal here is to put together a LEGITIMATE list of features that could be submitted as an order, by any one of us. The problem, with these small chippers is they are generally constructed for the rental industry. They are stripped down, bare bones, but loaded with safety switches, stickers and additional features that contribute nothing to the performance, or ease of maintenence.

Way back before I owned a chipper, I rented all different sizes, and chose the 6". Since then I have operated bigger chippers owned by other operators. Now it's time to order a new one. I plan to order another 6". I've had a decade to mull this over. There must be a reason.

The intent is not to tout the small machine over bigger ones because you could get a bigger chipper with any of the features we'll describe...... except for the smallness that allows you to move and roll the chipper about by hand. That's a feature that truly divides the 6" from the bigger brothers.

If we, collectively, create the 6" Personal Industrial Chipper, a 6" designed for the 1-3 man Arborist team and NOT for the rental yards, we will create a benefit for those looking into a purchase. Generally, the 6" is not even considered by big tree companies, but we're directing at the larger base, companies and men who are small Tree Care Companies, or large companies who would benefit from having a smaller, efficient unit that focusses on certain sectors of their overall work. Face it, who wants to send out the big truck and a 12" chipper to do an ornamental prune job, or finish a cleanup from yesterday's crew?

Tree Machine · 30th October 2007, 06:29 AM

My gut instinct is to invite a manufacturer into the discussion. I'll make a call and see if we can summon an authority, someone who can field our questions and suggestions so we're not just mixing it up amongst ourselves.

Ekka · 30th October 2007, 06:41 AM

Jim

We dont want this place looking like your garage with half finished gear laying around for years and ya Mrs nagging us.

Tree Machine · 30th October 2007, 06:45 AM

Ouch, that hurts, however I'm not going to let this thread derail.

We are talking about the 6" Personal Industrial Chipper.

(and not my garage).

jim1nz · 30th October 2007, 09:31 AM

I really think hydraulic feed rollers must have a powerful lift and crush to smash branches up and drag them through

JayD · 30th October 2007, 01:21 PM

Firstly make sure your engine has enough grunt to chip at a production speed maybe up to 60 hp, I allways believe it's better have more than you need then if you need extra it's waiting, Then I would re inforce the impact bed under the anvil.this where they seem to fracture and it's a hassle to fix up in position, I know because I cut our's out and fitted a thicker section, Definately a strong lift and crush,scrap three knives and keep it balanced have four since now we power to run them,hydraulic drive to the wheels would blow the project out of the water but if you have the money make it an option, The pull out tarp a good idea but seriouly how long would last, Fit a winch to it and you can use this to pull it around a yard for position and anything else that comes to mind and provision for a brake device/tag line
so you can manipulate your sections coming down, How many times have you had to bust a gut pulling the sectioned just lowered away from a target below?, Kill switches at all four corners of the machine and more storage room. This is all I can think of at the moment.

shaggs · 30th October 2007, 02:20 PM

Good hp a must as jay d said. lift and crush. Room for toolbox with proper spares and a spare wheel.
what size infeed 6" x 12" sounds good.
drum or disk....has anyone had any experience with 6" drums?? i have a 6" which is disk that I love as it chews stringy's and fronds perfectly with no wrap ups. the disk is at 90degrees not offset.
have to keep it sizeable to tow with a standard ute.
cheers

28th October 2007, 01:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	TM-Southern Div Chipper Development Tree Machine and me have come up with a few ideas of mods on smaller chippers around 6 inch I reckon if ya got to use chippers big chippers are great, plenty of grunt, powerful hydraulics, they will real in plenty and spit it out fast. But what if you want a light, maneuverable around by hand, cost effective chipper to chip brush not fire wood then lets put a few things together...here This is a few ideas TM was kicking around Onboard splitter, throttle control at the back, adjustable engine cover, third knife in the disc (or four?), flow-control for the infeed speed, what else.... autofeed Plus, vise posts front and back, 14" turf tires, swiveling front caster wheel jack, some other jack mounts to make the chipper jackable and a pull-outable, retractable tarp system for under the back underside of the chipper. Brakes... __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

28th October 2007, 01:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,830	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development You two really need to stop going to that pub together. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

28th October 2007, 01:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development Na couple more months yet, have to get me VISA sorted , with it was as easy as Aussie! Hey i might cruz over there some time this summer, be able to have a beer then cher __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

28th October 2007, 02:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,830	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development I think you gotta sign one of those orifice inspection forms to enter the US Jim. But, we been getting hammered here all night by storms, hail, wind etc ... might be the breaking of the drought? Any time ya round we'll catch up, glad to here all is good over there, no bikini groundies here mate! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

29th October 2007, 07:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	Chipper Mods I was watching the world news this morning, and saw that Coastal Australia was getting hammered by a tropical doozie. Tornadoes being spawned, all kinds of havoc with power and roads, and trees, lots of tree damage shown. The news really crams a lot into twenty seconds. I hope you weathered the storm, Ekka. Yes, this thread could be titled The Personal Industrial Chipper. Do you mind if I comment on this?

29th October 2007, 08:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,830	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development I was in the centre of that storm, it was bad but not that bad. I really would like to get one of those scanners the media people have coz I didn't find many downed trees at all, in fact, it was rather dissapointing ... they must tap into the SES or cops or something. Guys, you gonna need a full blown factory soon, stuff the trees lets build gear. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

29th October 2007, 09:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 462	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development Onboard splitter, throttle control at the back, adjustable engine cover, third knife in the disc (or four?), flow-control for the infeed speed, what else.... autofeed Plus, vise posts front and back, 14" turf tires, swiveling front caster wheel jack, some other jack mounts to make the chipper jackable and a pull-outable, retractable tarp system for under the back underside of the chipper. Brakes... make it a four way splitter with small conveyor next to feed chute....hydraulic drive to both wheels so it can drive on its own and pivot on the large jockey wheel (like a zero turn ride on)......esky......have i thought about this too much???

30th October 2007, 01:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 926	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development And hydraulic self feeding arms,...and a chair to sit on..LOL.. No serious..LOL! __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

30th October 2007, 06:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development I'm liking it so far. The purpose of this is not a 'concept' chipper. My 6" is 10 years old. I have better than half the features listed above and love them all. A few were part of the build at the factory. A few were welded on or installed here at the northern hemisphere division. At 10 years old, it's days are numbered, even though its been running like a dream, almost better than new. Running like a dream, but I feel if I put it in someone elses hands, they could kill it, or if I tried to recruit an Arborist team and we split the chipper betwen ourselves, we would kill it. The little bugger has thousands of hours of brush munching and it's the main pillar on the cleanup side of things, well, between the chipper and the list of firewood people, the backpack blower does the rest. Losing firewood people, or the blower, I can keep working. Having the chipper go defunct, that would drop The Tree Machine, Northern Hemisphere Division, to its knees. Our goal here is to put together a LEGITIMATE list of features that could be submitted as an order, by any one of us. The problem, with these small chippers is they are generally constructed for the rental industry. They are stripped down, bare bones, but loaded with safety switches, stickers and additional features that contribute nothing to the performance, or ease of maintenence. Way back before I owned a chipper, I rented all different sizes, and chose the 6". Since then I have operated bigger chippers owned by other operators. Now it's time to order a new one. I plan to order another 6". I've had a decade to mull this over. There must be a reason. The intent is not to tout the small machine over bigger ones because you could get a bigger chipper with any of the features we'll describe...... except for the smallness that allows you to move and roll the chipper about by hand. That's a feature that truly divides the 6" from the bigger brothers. If we, collectively, create the 6" Personal Industrial Chipper, a 6" designed for the 1-3 man Arborist team and NOT for the rental yards, we will create a benefit for those looking into a purchase. Generally, the 6" is not even considered by big tree companies, but we're directing at the larger base, companies and men who are small Tree Care Companies, or large companies who would benefit from having a smaller, efficient unit that focusses on certain sectors of their overall work. Face it, who wants to send out the big truck and a 12" chipper to do an ornamental prune job, or finish a cleanup from yesterday's crew?

30th October 2007, 06:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	6" Chipper Development My gut instinct is to invite a manufacturer into the discussion. I'll make a call and see if we can summon an authority, someone who can field our questions and suggestions so we're not just mixing it up amongst ourselves.

30th October 2007, 06:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,830	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development Jim We dont want this place looking like your garage with half finished gear laying around for years and ya Mrs nagging us. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

30th October 2007, 06:45 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development Ouch, that hurts, however I'm not going to let this thread derail. We are talking about the 6" Personal Industrial Chipper. (and not my garage).

30th October 2007, 09:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development I really think hydraulic feed rollers must have a powerful lift and crush to smash branches up and drag them through __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

30th October 2007, 01:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 926	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development Firstly make sure your engine has enough grunt to chip at a production speed maybe up to 60 hp, I allways believe it's better have more than you need then if you need extra it's waiting, Then I would re inforce the impact bed under the anvil.this where they seem to fracture and it's a hassle to fix up in position, I know because I cut our's out and fitted a thicker section, Definately a strong lift and crush,scrap three knives and keep it balanced have four since now we power to run them,hydraulic drive to the wheels would blow the project out of the water but if you have the money make it an option, The pull out tarp a good idea but seriouly how long would last, Fit a winch to it and you can use this to pull it around a yard for position and anything else that comes to mind and provision for a brake device/tag line so you can manipulate your sections coming down, How many times have you had to bust a gut pulling the sectioned just lowered away from a target below?, Kill switches at all four corners of the machine and more storage room. This is all I can think of at the moment. __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

30th October 2007, 02:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 462	Re: TM-Southern Div Chipper Development Good hp a must as jay d said. lift and crush. Room for toolbox with proper spares and a spare wheel. what size infeed 6" x 12" sounds good. drum or disk....has anyone had any experience with 6" drums?? i have a 6" which is disk that I love as it chews stringy's and fronds perfectly with no wrap ups. the disk is at 90degrees not offset. have to keep it sizeable to tow with a standard ute. cheers