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Old 11th March 2008, 01:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Seriously considering buying these| baumvelo climbers| Palm climbers

The first link is to the product "Baumvelo" or Tree Bicycle.
Baumsteiggerät "Baumvelo", Typ BVS mit Stahlbändern

This link is to an article I posted a few weeks ago in another thread
How do you spikeless climb big palms?

That thread got me thinking about the different ways I could be doing my side business. (My main work is in television, I travel 35 weeks a year and have summers mostly off, this is when I do the bulk of my side work with palms)

1) Boom or Bucket truck. $$$$ and use limited to open area.
- I'm not ready to take this large a leap into my business
2) Rope climbing. $$ and unlimited access to any tree.
- Since I'm not yet trained I'd appreciate advice here. I have an appointment to go to a tree climbing school next month in Georgia to take a basic training course and an advanced course the following month. Drawback seems to be a long set up time, from shooting the weight to getting up the tree. I've seen people saying 15 minutes per tree.
3) Ladders and polesaw. $ but limited in height.
- This is how I got started on my own palms and my neighbors started paying me to trim thiers. As "hack" as it is it's worked for me for the last year or so for the jobs I've been doing. (all residential, all 40' or less)
4) The Baumvello or "Tree Bicycle". $$ with no limit to height.
- Obviously the training in climbing is still a necessity with these. I'm corresponding with Grube.de to see what the exact limitations on diameter are
but it seems to me that a quick clip into the rig and clicking into the foot climbers would lend to a very quick setup and breakdown per tree. Ekka brought up a question in the linked post about getting up into the crown, well since they can be "parked" and dismounted a shorter climb into the crown would seem to work. (though I may be talking out my butt since I'm not a climber, yet.) If I could cut 5-10 minutes off the setup and breakdown per tree it would allow for many more trees per day.


I'm asking because I see so much knowledge here and your opinions on the practicality of this piece of equipment would be greatly appreciated. The application I see for it is in doing commercial areas like local malls and other businesses with 50'+ palms.

The problems I'm seeing are these:
1) getting the contractee to want their trees cleaned of husks, which is necessary for the Baumvelo.
2) diameter of tree - I'm working on this part.
3) Cost - Actually I don't have a problem with the cost, If I think I could get more work out of them. List price is approximately $2500.00 USD.

By the way, anyone out there know of a Smilie like this but with a Palm?

Thanks again guys/gals.
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Old 11th March 2008, 10:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, cant say till you tried them but I do think they'll struggle on washingtonias.
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Old 12th March 2008, 08:25 AM   #3 (permalink)
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reasoning?
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Old 12th March 2008, 09:09 AM   #4 (permalink)
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For straight limbless trees, why wouldn't this work?
For under $300 too!


https://www.equalizertreestands.com/index.php

To see how it works, click on the video link at the site.
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Old 12th March 2008, 12:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Quote" I have an appointment to go to a tree climbing school next month in Georgia to take a basic training course and an advanced course the following month." End of Quote.

Who do you going to learn your Tree Climbing Training from in GA?

Just curious.
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Old 15th March 2008, 04:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Dancing With Trees - genevieve summers - recreational tree climbing guide and instructor - parties to treetop camping & adventure expeditions

I live in the Southeast and figure Georgia is easy to get to. Especially since I travel so much and connect through Atlanta every week.

Unless someone out there wants to teach me their bad habits during my weeks off this summer.
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Old 16th March 2008, 10:57 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Why do you want to climb palm trees??
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Old 16th March 2008, 10:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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well, long story short.... I've been growing my own for the last 4 years... 2 in the front yard, and 3 in the back... and been trimming my own and my neighbors (5 different yards) for the last year to 2 years.
I've also been picking up a few trimming jobs through a neighbor who is a home inspector and another who is a real estate agent on and off when they need me.

All the trees I have been working on are Palms, I've decided I want to begin a side business working on palms, from trimming to fertilization to planting to planning. Florida is FULL of palms, unfortunately there are very few people educated about Palm care, trimming especially.

The reason I'm interested in the Baumvelo is I am wanting to bid on some commercial contracts with local malls. Around here the average mall has 50-100 Palms, which always need trimming.


Just a little background...
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Old 17th March 2008, 02:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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kinda just sounds like stump grinding..... cant understand why someone wants to do it.
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Old 6th April 2008, 05:25 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Well, cant say till you tried them but I do think they'll struggle on washingtonias.
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reasoning?
All the retained leaf bases...unless the girth on the tree bike is adjustable enough to get over the accumulation.
You would also be under a ton of debris just waiting to let go at the first pull...there have been a couple of fatalities from piles of washingtonia leaves letting go and trapping the climber underneath...suffocation!
Also coming down would be difficult, I would detach the bike and lower it then rappel down on your safety line.

I reckon it would work a treat on smooth palms - I've laid eyes on a tree bike, just its bits on the fround, not actually seen it in use...although I do recall and article in either Arborist News or TCIA about climbers in Spain I think.
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Old 6th April 2008, 07:27 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Thanks Bermy, I missed that post.

I dont like palms much anyway, cleaning them is like being a janitor!
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Thanks Bermy, I missed that post.

I dont like palms much anyway, cleaning them is like being a janitor!
my mom helped me clean some palms out in the church yard about a month ago,she decided then that she doesn't want palm trees.
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Got you covered Ekka!

I did three coconuts last week...dropping a bunch of semi ripe coconuts from 30'...makes a big bang on the ground...tourists loved it, I'll be starring in some home videos.
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For straight limbless trees, why wouldn't this work?
For under $300 too!


https://www.equalizertreestands.com/index.php

To see how it works, click on the video link at the site.
I wondered about hunting tree climbing stands. Seems that they would chew up the bark. Can't use for tree care. For removals, use spikes.
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Old 17th April 2008, 06:13 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Hey all,
I received a response from Grube Inc. in Europe, they sent me this PDF on the Baumvelo.

Looking at the pictures in the file, are they using the climbing rope as a flipline? or am I seeing it wrong?
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