optimum throw bag weight for big shot?

treestyle · 31st August 2007, 02:16 AM

hi, got me a big shot at last so i can go and climb some monsters. had a go today and i couldn't seem to shot past maybe 20 - 25m.....is this it? i think i was shooting bout 10 or 12 oz weight...too much? line is 2.2mm zing it.

any other suggestions regarding big shot and maximizing height would be great.

Thanks

Ekka · 31st August 2007, 02:54 AM

Try a Harrison rocket throw bag. Just search it here.

You should crack 30m easy, pull harder!

Sean Freeman · 31st August 2007, 04:41 AM

I'm with Eric Big Shot can reach over 50m without much effort. I've fired it 100m horizontal (don't ask!!) pull harder and have the line laid out loosely on the ground..no twigs of course!

TrevMcRev · 31st August 2007, 10:33 PM

Yep the line being free to unspool will help. How long is the pole? Pull it right down dropping to one knee and fire!

They send golf balls quite some distance too

vl2007 · 3rd September 2007, 04:55 AM

I find with the trees here in florida, that I need to judge the distance, then lay out the line, then put my foot on the line to prevent it from over shooting too far. This is urban territory and over shooting can land it right in the neigbors yard, breaking stuff. I've broken screens, pottery, ect. And they make one h%#l of a noise when they hit the neigbors roof.

Ekka · 3rd September 2007, 05:03 AM

I was hand throwing 18oz over the bloodwood I did on Sunday and the bag wouldn't come down ... the line goes under a slither of rough bark and cuts in.

I have a 20oz for the same reason, gotta have a few in your kit.

It's a bit wild when you use the big shot and get a ricochet of the trunk too. LOL

Sean Freeman · 3rd September 2007, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vl2007

I find with the trees here in florida, that I need to judge the distance, then lay out the line, then put my foot on the line to prevent it from over shooting too far. This is urban territory and over shooting can land it right in the neigbors yard, breaking stuff. I've broken screens, pottery, ect. And they make one h%#l of a noise when they hit the neigbors roof.

That's a good tip, hardly ever use the big shot up here trees are just not that big, but let the line run through my finger tips to stop it as precisely as I can...very frustrating when you stop it dead just short of the crotch you're aiming for!!

TrevMcRev · 4th September 2007, 01:53 AM

and when you hit the crotch a few times in a row but get over it

vl2007 · 10th September 2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Freeman

That's a good tip, hardly ever use the big shot up here trees are just not that big, but let the line run through my finger tips to stop it as precisely as I can...very frustrating when you stop it dead just short of the crotch you're aiming for!!

Well the trees here are not that big eather, but the bigshot is very accurate, and can be shot straight up.

Tree Machine · 13th September 2007, 03:43 PM

I seem to use 12 oz more than anything else, but a 10 oz Harrison rocket is my favorite to shoot. With the 10 oz, I'll fire it up and over and then let the bag drop straight to the ground, attach some extra weight, then haul it back up and fish it, I mean, trace the line back over any limbs. I have had too many good shots go bad after trying to trace the line back and there's not quite enough weight for good line control.

Ever notice the effect where you can drain precision shots all day long until a client is standing there watching you? Must have some connection to Murphy's law.

Panama · 13th September 2007, 05:33 PM

I'm with TM on Murphy's Law, 12oz bag also. Haven't tried the H-rocket. I've found I need more weight when the 1.75 zing it gets broke in, and less with a new piece as it seems to slide better. I use a square cat litter bucket to hold my line, and it seems to knot up less than anything else I have tried. (yes, it's an empty cat litter bucket). I duct taped pouches on the outside made of scrap foam for a couple of throw bags so I can just pop the top off and shoot.

vl2007 · 14th September 2007, 07:02 PM

Cat litter box, cool idea. I use a five gallon bucket with s-hooks around the rim to hold my throw bags. Never have any tangle problems.

jim1nz · 15th September 2007, 12:19 PM

Yea, pull hard on the big shot but give the rubber time to strech also. Use a smaller diameter throwline, the smaller and lighter the better when bigshoting. Try elios throw line, its got a waxy coting on it so seems to run much better over branches. Throw bag weight around 10oz, but down to 8oz is good depending on bark and throwline weight

Harrison rocket is a must!

Should be able to get 50 to 70m, 40m very accurately.

Panama · 15th September 2007, 02:30 PM

I've never tried the big shot pole, as I went cheap and use an aluminum one. I had some problems at first with occasional mis-fires, and started to get some damage to the pouch. I used electrical tape to make a smooth transition between the pole and the bigshot head and the problems went away. I can reasonably assume the pouch was catching on the bottom end of the bigshot head. My pole just fit inside it, so it only had about 2.5mm to catch on. Does the bigshot pole provide you with a smooth joint there, or does it have similar problems?

Panama · 15th September 2007, 02:33 PM

Oops, Also, if you shoot out of a bucket, it's easy to grab the line just as it passes through your target crotch and stop it.

31st August 2007, 02:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
treestyle Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Brisbane Posts: 128	optimum throw bag weight for big shot? hi, got me a big shot at last so i can go and climb some monsters. had a go today and i couldn't seem to shot past maybe 20 - 25m.....is this it? i think i was shooting bout 10 or 12 oz weight...too much? line is 2.2mm zing it. any other suggestions regarding big shot and maximizing height would be great. Thanks

31st August 2007, 02:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,844	Try a Harrison rocket throw bag. Just search it here. You should crack 30m easy, pull harder! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

31st August 2007, 04:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,643	I'm with Eric Big Shot can reach over 50m without much effort. I've fired it 100m horizontal (don't ask!!) pull harder and have the line laid out loosely on the ground..no twigs of course! __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

31st August 2007, 10:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
TrevMcRev Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 727	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? Yep the line being free to unspool will help. How long is the pole? Pull it right down dropping to one knee and fire! They send golf balls quite some distance too __________________ Melbourne Arborist, Total Tree Care, Pruning, Tree and Stump Removal

3rd September 2007, 04:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
vl2007 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 87	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? I find with the trees here in florida, that I need to judge the distance, then lay out the line, then put my foot on the line to prevent it from over shooting too far. This is urban territory and over shooting can land it right in the neigbors yard, breaking stuff. I've broken screens, pottery, ect. And they make one h%#l of a noise when they hit the neigbors roof.

3rd September 2007, 05:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,844	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? I was hand throwing 18oz over the bloodwood I did on Sunday and the bag wouldn't come down ... the line goes under a slither of rough bark and cuts in. I have a 20oz for the same reason, gotta have a few in your kit. It's a bit wild when you use the big shot and get a ricochet of the trunk too. LOL __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

4th September 2007, 01:53 AM	#8 (permalink)
TrevMcRev Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 727	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? and when you hit the crotch a few times in a row but get over it __________________ Melbourne Arborist, Total Tree Care, Pruning, Tree and Stump Removal

13th September 2007, 03:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? I seem to use 12 oz more than anything else, but a 10 oz Harrison rocket is my favorite to shoot. With the 10 oz, I'll fire it up and over and then let the bag drop straight to the ground, attach some extra weight, then haul it back up and fish it, I mean, trace the line back over any limbs. I have had too many good shots go bad after trying to trace the line back and there's not quite enough weight for good line control. Ever notice the effect where you can drain precision shots all day long until a client is standing there watching you? Must have some connection to Murphy's law.

13th September 2007, 05:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
Panama Sappling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 8	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? I'm with TM on Murphy's Law, 12oz bag also. Haven't tried the H-rocket. I've found I need more weight when the 1.75 zing it gets broke in, and less with a new piece as it seems to slide better. I use a square cat litter bucket to hold my line, and it seems to knot up less than anything else I have tried. (yes, it's an empty cat litter bucket). I duct taped pouches on the outside made of scrap foam for a couple of throw bags so I can just pop the top off and shoot.

14th September 2007, 07:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
vl2007 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 87	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? Cat litter box, cool idea. I use a five gallon bucket with s-hooks around the rim to hold my throw bags. Never have any tangle problems.

15th September 2007, 12:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? Yea, pull hard on the big shot but give the rubber time to strech also. Use a smaller diameter throwline, the smaller and lighter the better when bigshoting. Try elios throw line, its got a waxy coting on it so seems to run much better over branches. Throw bag weight around 10oz, but down to 8oz is good depending on bark and throwline weight Harrison rocket is a must! Should be able to get 50 to 70m, 40m very accurately. __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

15th September 2007, 02:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
Panama Sappling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 8	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? I've never tried the big shot pole, as I went cheap and use an aluminum one. I had some problems at first with occasional mis-fires, and started to get some damage to the pouch. I used electrical tape to make a smooth transition between the pole and the bigshot head and the problems went away. I can reasonably assume the pouch was catching on the bottom end of the bigshot head. My pole just fit inside it, so it only had about 2.5mm to catch on. Does the bigshot pole provide you with a smooth joint there, or does it have similar problems?

15th September 2007, 02:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Panama Sappling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 8	Re: optimum throw bag weight for big shot? Oops, Also, if you shoot out of a bucket, it's easy to grab the line just as it passes through your target crotch and stop it.

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