Types of Biners you use.

Aerial · 15th April 2008, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

Whoa.. gettin pretty far off topic here.

Aerial, perhaps you could start a thread and name it something like "Aerial's Climbing Experiment".

Well, you might notice these Kong 30kN 'biners in the picture I posted of my belt and saddle.

They are a direct result of reading this thread and are much easier to use than the steel screw type I had already bought.

So an on topic question: What should I do with my steel lockers? Are they still OK for use in rigging?

Aerial

RE: Aerial's climbing experiment - If I had got the wife to video my first attempt at free rope accession, instead of looking for a stick to whack me with as I hung helpless and exposed, then I might have had a good thread starter.

newguy18 · 15th April 2008, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerial

Well, you might notice these Kong 30kN 'biners in the picture I posted of my belt and saddle.

They are a direct result of reading this thread and are much easier to use than the steel screw type I had already bought.

So an on topic question: What should I do with my steel lockers? Are they still OK for use in rigging?

Aerial

RE: Aerial's climbing experiment - If I had got the wife to video my first attempt at free rope accession, instead of looking for a stick to whack me with as I hung helpless and exposed, then I might have had a good thread starter.

Sure use them for rigging,hanging saws,whatever you want.

Aerial · 15th April 2008, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

Sure use them for rigging,hanging saws,whatever you want.

Just not climbing?

Aerial

Therrin · 15th April 2008, 06:26 AM

See, funny thing is.... you could take them rock climbing.

Go climb a thousand foot cliff, do some aid climbing maybe. Scale crevices that no person could access short of the use of special equipment. Hang a thousand feet off the deck... life held in thrawl by the strength of the rock and your technique at placing pieces to clip into.
Get into that and your $$$ will vanish quickly though.

Then again, yours are steel. Ugh, weight. That's out too then I suppose.

Yup, I guess rigging is all they're good for.

Afterall, if a tree climber got careless and lazy with them while they were high enough off the ground to KILL THEMSELF... they could forget some minor attention to detail. And that, amazingly enough, could end with death.
The fault would lay on the carabiner of course, since it's designed poorly for keeping fools out of harms way, and therefore isn't sufficient for tree work.

Happy rigging!

Aerial · 15th April 2008, 01:14 PM

I don't think I'll be climbing any rock walls or crevices, I'll be doing a lot more descents than accents. Rappelling is what I'm thinking of trying out, where i can rig my rope to a tree and slide down it.

My steel 'biners should be OK to secure my rope at the top (as long as I remember to screw them shut).

Aerial

newguy18 · 15th April 2008, 02:29 PM

Why are you going to secure yuor line with biners?The crotch off the tree holds it in place.

Therrin · 15th April 2008, 05:05 PM

Quote:

My steel 'biners should be OK to secure my rope at the top (as long as I remember to screw them shut).

You completely missed the point. I give up.

He's all yours NG.

newguy18 · 15th April 2008, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

You completely missed the point. I give up.

He's all yours NG.

Thanks.Just one question do you think thats a good idea?I mean me training him.

Therrin · 16th April 2008, 02:26 AM

He doesn't catch on too quickly. I think you have the most patience.

When he told the story about hangin there bent in half, I thought his wife should have maybe left him there for an hour or so just to drive home the basis of his problems this far. No such luck.

I say we start a pool. I get the slot for "6 months"

Aerial · 16th April 2008, 04:28 AM

When through reading this thread I found that the steel lockers I had ordered were no longer approved for tree work, I ordered four Kongs (two pictured).

If I am going to get any training I'll need to have the proper gear. I just don't see where I have been so hard headed with regards to upgrading my gear. I learned here that I was doing something wrong, I fixed it, thanks for your help.

I also want to do some rappelling. There are plenty of places here that are perfect for that. It's pretty big in fact, and there is training available at the popular sites.

I gather that the steel 'biners are OK for this recreational use. (would that include recreational tree climbing?), but I'll find out what the local regs are for rappelling gear when i get some instruction.

Aerial

newguy18 · 16th April 2008, 04:53 AM

The 2 you took a picture of are okay for treework.The screw lockers are okay for rigging and hanging saws off of your belt just not for life support.I have said a dozen times before and will say again you need to master drt before you need to learn srt.Also single line rock rappeling is worlds awa from tree climbing.Bodythrusting is the one you should start with.I also recomended you start off with a fool proof knot like tautline[i still use it,mainly one removals where i'll only tie in once.]Also practice using the monkey's fist to lob your rope into the tree.Don't tie into anything thats less than4" diameter and obviously don't tie into anything dead.You need to forget using the ascenders for right now,those are to advanced for your skill set right now butin time you'll be able touse them.By tie in once i mean I'm only crotching the climb line when i get to the top and setting it once i.e not recrotching.

Ekka · 18th April 2008, 02:10 AM

------- break -----------

Some of the thread went off in this direction at this point.

Aerial's Climbing Thread

Please, biners here, Aerial there.

letigre · 7th May 2008, 02:18 AM

alright ekka just for you mate!

rock exotica BLACK steel biner for figure eight (terminal knot, whatever your fancy) and william tri-act biner for prussik end.

newguy18 · 10th May 2008, 06:07 PM

Hows that triact work?Does it hold up okay?

letigre · 10th May 2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Hows that triact work?Does it hold up okay?

three actions; down, twist and in. yeah it holds up fine, heaps of room for prussick, pulley and figure 8, if one carabiner climbing system.

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15th April 2008, 06:26 AM	#179 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,112	Re: Types of Biners you use. See, funny thing is.... you could take them rock climbing. Go climb a thousand foot cliff, do some aid climbing maybe. Scale crevices that no person could access short of the use of special equipment. Hang a thousand feet off the deck... life held in thrawl by the strength of the rock and your technique at placing pieces to clip into. Get into that and your $$$ will vanish quickly though. Then again, yours are steel. Ugh, weight. That's out too then I suppose. Yup, I guess rigging is all they're good for. Afterall, if a tree climber got careless and lazy with them while they were high enough off the ground to KILL THEMSELF... they could forget some minor attention to detail. And that, amazingly enough, could end with death. The fault would lay on the carabiner of course, since it's designed poorly for keeping fools out of harms way, and therefore isn't sufficient for tree work. Happy rigging! __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

15th April 2008, 01:14 PM	#180 (permalink)
Aerial Fly'n Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 184	Re: Types of Biners you use. I don't think I'll be climbing any rock walls or crevices, I'll be doing a lot more descents than accents. Rappelling is what I'm thinking of trying out, where i can rig my rope to a tree and slide down it. My steel 'biners should be OK to secure my rope at the top (as long as I remember to screw them shut). Aerial

15th April 2008, 02:29 PM	#181 (permalink)
newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,185	Re: Types of Biners you use. Why are you going to secure yuor line with biners?The crotch off the tree holds it in place. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

16th April 2008, 02:26 AM	#184 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,112	Re: Types of Biners you use. He doesn't catch on too quickly. I think you have the most patience. When he told the story about hangin there bent in half, I thought his wife should have maybe left him there for an hour or so just to drive home the basis of his problems this far. No such luck. I say we start a pool. I get the slot for "6 months" __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

16th April 2008, 04:28 AM	#185 (permalink)
Aerial Fly'n Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 184	Re: Types of Biners you use. When through reading this thread I found that the steel lockers I had ordered were no longer approved for tree work, I ordered four Kongs (two pictured). If I am going to get any training I'll need to have the proper gear. I just don't see where I have been so hard headed with regards to upgrading my gear. I learned here that I was doing something wrong, I fixed it, thanks for your help. I also want to do some rappelling. There are plenty of places here that are perfect for that. It's pretty big in fact, and there is training available at the popular sites. I gather that the steel 'biners are OK for this recreational use. (would that include recreational tree climbing?), but I'll find out what the local regs are for rappelling gear when i get some instruction. Aerial

16th April 2008, 04:53 AM	#186 (permalink)
newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,185	Re: Types of Biners you use. The 2 you took a picture of are okay for treework.The screw lockers are okay for rigging and hanging saws off of your belt just not for life support.I have said a dozen times before and will say again you need to master drt before you need to learn srt.Also single line rock rappeling is worlds awa from tree climbing.Bodythrusting is the one you should start with.I also recomended you start off with a fool proof knot like tautline[i still use it,mainly one removals where i'll only tie in once.]Also practice using the monkey's fist to lob your rope into the tree.Don't tie into anything thats less than4" diameter and obviously don't tie into anything dead.You need to forget using the ascenders for right now,those are to advanced for your skill set right now butin time you'll be able touse them.By tie in once i mean I'm only crotching the climb line when i get to the top and setting it once i.e not recrotching. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related Last edited by newguy18 : 16th April 2008 at 06:00 AM. Reason: Spelling and explaining it better.

18th April 2008, 02:10 AM	#187 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,664	Re: Types of Biners you use. ------- break ----------- Some of the thread went off in this direction at this point. Aerial's Climbing Thread Please, biners here, Aerial there. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

10th May 2008, 06:07 PM	#189 (permalink)
newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,185	Re: Types of Biners you use. Hows that triact work?Does it hold up okay? __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

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