Types of Biners you use.

newguy18 · 16th April 2008, 09:29 AM

Why are you going to secure yuor line with biners?The crotch off the tree holds it in place.

Therrin · 16th April 2008, 12:05 PM

Quote:

My steel 'biners should be OK to secure my rope at the top (as long as I remember to screw them shut).

You completely missed the point. I give up.

He's all yours NG.

newguy18 · 16th April 2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

You completely missed the point. I give up.

He's all yours NG.

Thanks.Just one question do you think thats a good idea?I mean me training him.

Therrin · 16th April 2008, 09:26 PM

He doesn't catch on too quickly. I think you have the most patience.

When he told the story about hangin there bent in half, I thought his wife should have maybe left him there for an hour or so just to drive home the basis of his problems this far. No such luck.

I say we start a pool. I get the slot for "6 months"

Aerial · 16th April 2008, 11:28 PM

When through reading this thread I found that the steel lockers I had ordered were no longer approved for tree work, I ordered four Kongs (two pictured).

If I am going to get any training I'll need to have the proper gear. I just don't see where I have been so hard headed with regards to upgrading my gear. I learned here that I was doing something wrong, I fixed it, thanks for your help.

I also want to do some rappelling. There are plenty of places here that are perfect for that. It's pretty big in fact, and there is training available at the popular sites.

I gather that the steel 'biners are OK for this recreational use. (would that include recreational tree climbing?), but I'll find out what the local regs are for rappelling gear when i get some instruction.

Aerial

newguy18 · 16th April 2008, 11:53 PM

The 2 you took a picture of are okay for treework.The screw lockers are okay for rigging and hanging saws off of your belt just not for life support.I have said a dozen times before and will say again you need to master drt before you need to learn srt.Also single line rock rappeling is worlds awa from tree climbing.Bodythrusting is the one you should start with.I also recomended you start off with a fool proof knot like tautline[i still use it,mainly one removals where i'll only tie in once.]Also practice using the monkey's fist to lob your rope into the tree.Don't tie into anything thats less than4" diameter and obviously don't tie into anything dead.You need to forget using the ascenders for right now,those are to advanced for your skill set right now butin time you'll be able touse them.By tie in once i mean I'm only crotching the climb line when i get to the top and setting it once i.e not recrotching.

Eric Frei · 18th April 2008, 09:10 PM

------- break -----------

Some of the thread went off in this direction at this point.

http://www.treeworld.info/f15/aerial...read-2106.html

Please, biners here, Aerial there.

letigre · 7th May 2008, 09:18 PM

alright ekka just for you mate!

rock exotica BLACK steel biner for figure eight (terminal knot, whatever your fancy) and william tri-act biner for prussik end.

newguy18 · 11th May 2008, 01:07 PM

Hows that triact work?Does it hold up okay?

letigre · 11th May 2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

Hows that triact work?Does it hold up okay?

three actions; down, twist and in. yeah it holds up fine, heaps of room for prussick, pulley and figure 8, if one carabiner climbing system.

Mrb_Eti · 8th June 2008, 08:32 PM

lil motto ur screwed wi a screw biner!!! ha ha always use 3way locking system biners so much easier and safer to use

Therrin · 8th June 2008, 08:41 PM

Funny, they hadn't killed me up to the point I switched over.... odd, since they're apparently SOOOO dangerous

3-way are easy, yes, quick, yes.... and can cause carelessness, I think.
I still have 2 that are gummed up so that they don't shut properly. Had 3 but fixed one of them, the other two are giving me trouble so I don't use them anymore.

It'd be easy to not notice exactly the moment when they stopped working right and have slipped up just once with them. And once would've been enough.

The horse isn't dead yet, beat it more!!!!

newguy18 · 15th June 2008, 12:20 PM

Whack whack whack.

Garry Brockley · 30th June 2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by arbdog

As the subjuct is biners and auto lockers require graphite spay for the locking mechanisms lubercation, i will ask this. Does anybody struggle getting hold of stuff? Its well hard to find around here.

where are you in the country? there are a few suppliers around i use one in stamford Lincs they will post anywhere in the country i use liquid graphite powder well its pencil shavings really but really works i lube my biners before every job. i wont put the suppliers name on here just in case it breaks advertising rules just pm me i will give you their name and no ect.

newguy18 · 27th July 2008, 02:06 PM

just ordered a ball lock and two posi lockers.

Garry Brockley · 13th August 2008, 05:35 AM

can you still get those petzl ball locking biners?
i had a go of them didnt like them all our trainers kicked up a stink about them. they are considered dangerous because when closed they only have a small corner stopping them from opening petzl don't sell them here any more.

newguy18 · 15th August 2008, 02:44 PM

Yep,i can get them anytime i want,obviously mailorder since i'm in the midle of the friggen boonies.I'm thinking about some quad lockers one day but right now i gotta dump a lott money into hopping up a 94' f-150 that i converted to points ignition and a 1 barrel carb.

OutofMytree · 10th November 2008, 01:40 AM

Funny how this sort of thing can happen. Here I am, reading this thread and thinking "ha, what idiot would let his krab get locked half open..." and decided to post a photo of what REAL men use. Then I realised that due to lack of cleaning, my krab was jammed half open! If I slapped my forehead any harder I would need a bag of ice and an aspirin.

This is how it SHOULD look.......

Now remind me again, when committing seppuku is it left to right and up or right to left and up... I always get that part mixed up

treefeller · 2nd January 2009, 10:35 AM

Yep ive voted. I climb using auto lock and rig with screwgate as they are tougher

Tree Machine · 3rd January 2009, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

I'm thinking about some quad lockers one day

Which quad lockers are you considering?

newguy18 · 3rd January 2009, 12:23 PM

was looking at some from isc,got any suggestions for me?

Tree Machine · 4th January 2009, 01:33 AM

I was hoping you'd have some suggestions for me. The ISC is the only one I know of that is touted as a quad (speaking of the twist-gate specificaly, not the slide-gate mighty mouse). I use that one (twist-gate) and I really like it. I can see, if I really give them the benefit of the doubt, that it is a quad lock. Yes, you can count 4 motions, but in the practical sense, if two of the motions meld seamlessly into one, it's effectively the same as any other triple lock.

The no-longer-in-production Black Diamond Superlock- now that was a true quad-lock where the 4th and final position was a drop-in slot.

I often wonder what the manufacturers have against bringing a true quad to market.....

.... or maybe it's out there and I've somehow missed it. That's what I was hoping.

newguy18 · 4th January 2009, 01:41 AM

Heres a site that has a good selection of biners,i have 3,that really all i need for my old school climbing ways.I was just gonna buy a 4 way locking biner to see how practical they were,that and even though i use auto lockers,i really don't feel safe on them.
Ultralight climbing equipment and Carabiners by Black Diamond, Camp, Clif, DMM, Faders, Mammut, Metolius, Omega Pacific, Petzl, Pieps, Simond, SMC, Trango, Wild Country,

Therrin · 24th January 2009, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree Machine

I often wonder what the manufacturers have against bringing a true quad to market.....

.... or maybe it's out there and I've somehow missed it. That's what I was hoping.

I'd think a true quad lock would take a bit more engineering than a triple. More springs maybe? More spring wear? More stuff to go wrong with it? If three's good, why do four? Why stop at four? how about five?

I'm guessing they figure a triple is sufficient. I just wish the dang auto's didnt gum up so easily.

rbtree · 22nd February 2009, 06:18 AM

Quads employ an extra slot that can be used if desired. Typically, as with quad Kong, the slot is on the opposite side from the normal third lock...but it is a deeper slot.

no extra springs needed that I know of.

newguy18 · 22nd February 2009, 11:11 AM

do you have one rb?if so maybe post a video of how they work?

rbtree · 23rd February 2009, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

do you have one rb?if so maybe post a video of how they work?

mine's long gone....but Dave has an old quad Kong....

TrevMcRev · 26th February 2009, 01:35 PM

This is the ISC mongoose Quadlock carabiner.
Locked gate.

1. Twist.

2. Lift

3. Twist again.

4. Open gate.

It is also available as a triple lock, which basically skips the first twist.
Trev

newguy18 · 26th February 2009, 02:40 PM

Thanks Trev.

Therrin · 2nd March 2009, 10:00 AM

I wasnt aware that "opening the gate" was considered a 4th step. In that case I've got a steel quad locker at home. When I get back there tomorow I'll have to drag it out and see who it's made by.

View Poll Results: What types of carabiners do you use for climbing and rigging, you are allowed 2 votes
Climb with auto locking biner	142	80.23%
Climb with screw gate biner	18	10.17%
Climb with either, doesn't matter to me	18	10.17%
Rig with auto locking biner	40	22.60%
Rig with screw gate biner	57	32.20%
Rig with either, doesn't matter to me	48	27.12%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 177. You may not vote on this poll

16th April 2008, 09:29 AM	#181
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. Why are you going to secure yuor line with biners?The crotch off the tree holds it in place. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

16th April 2008, 09:26 PM	#184
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: Types of Biners you use. He doesn't catch on too quickly. I think you have the most patience. When he told the story about hangin there bent in half, I thought his wife should have maybe left him there for an hour or so just to drive home the basis of his problems this far. No such luck. I say we start a pool. I get the slot for "6 months"

16th April 2008, 11:28 PM	#185
Aerial Former Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 229	Re: Types of Biners you use. When through reading this thread I found that the steel lockers I had ordered were no longer approved for tree work, I ordered four Kongs (two pictured). If I am going to get any training I'll need to have the proper gear. I just don't see where I have been so hard headed with regards to upgrading my gear. I learned here that I was doing something wrong, I fixed it, thanks for your help. I also want to do some rappelling. There are plenty of places here that are perfect for that. It's pretty big in fact, and there is training available at the popular sites. I gather that the steel 'biners are OK for this recreational use. (would that include recreational tree climbing?), but I'll find out what the local regs are for rappelling gear when i get some instruction. Aerial

16th April 2008, 11:53 PM	#186
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. The 2 you took a picture of are okay for treework.The screw lockers are okay for rigging and hanging saws off of your belt just not for life support.I have said a dozen times before and will say again you need to master drt before you need to learn srt.Also single line rock rappeling is worlds awa from tree climbing.Bodythrusting is the one you should start with.I also recomended you start off with a fool proof knot like tautline[i still use it,mainly one removals where i'll only tie in once.]Also practice using the monkey's fist to lob your rope into the tree.Don't tie into anything thats less than4" diameter and obviously don't tie into anything dead.You need to forget using the ascenders for right now,those are to advanced for your skill set right now butin time you'll be able touse them.By tie in once i mean I'm only crotching the climb line when i get to the top and setting it once i.e not recrotching. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler Last edited by newguy18; 17th April 2008 at 01:00 AM. Reason: Spelling and explaining it better.

18th April 2008, 09:10 PM	#187
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Types of Biners you use. ------- break ----------- Some of the thread went off in this direction at this point. http://www.treeworld.info/f15/aerial...read-2106.html Please, biners here, Aerial there. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

7th May 2008, 09:18 PM	#188
letigre Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 158	Re: Types of Biners you use. alright ekka just for you mate! rock exotica BLACK steel biner for figure eight (terminal knot, whatever your fancy) and william tri-act biner for prussik end. Attached Thumbnails

11th May 2008, 01:07 PM	#189
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. Hows that triact work?Does it hold up okay? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

8th June 2008, 08:32 PM	#191
Mrb_Eti I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK but adelaide for now Posts: 2	Re: Types of Biners you use. lil motto ur screwed wi a screw biner!!! ha ha always use 3way locking system biners so much easier and safer to use

8th June 2008, 08:41 PM	#192
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: Types of Biners you use. Funny, they hadn't killed me up to the point I switched over.... odd, since they're apparently SOOOO dangerous 3-way are easy, yes, quick, yes.... and can cause carelessness, I think. I still have 2 that are gummed up so that they don't shut properly. Had 3 but fixed one of them, the other two are giving me trouble so I don't use them anymore. It'd be easy to not notice exactly the moment when they stopped working right and have slipped up just once with them. And once would've been enough. The horse isn't dead yet, beat it more!!!!

15th June 2008, 12:20 PM	#193
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. Whack whack whack. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

27th July 2008, 02:06 PM	#195
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. just ordered a ball lock and two posi lockers. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

13th August 2008, 05:35 AM	#196
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,649	Re: Types of Biners you use. can you still get those petzl ball locking biners? i had a go of them didnt like them all our trainers kicked up a stink about them. they are considered dangerous because when closed they only have a small corner stopping them from opening petzl don't sell them here any more. __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

15th August 2008, 02:44 PM	#197
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. Yep,i can get them anytime i want,obviously mailorder since i'm in the midle of the friggen boonies.I'm thinking about some quad lockers one day but right now i gotta dump a lott money into hopping up a 94' f-150 that i converted to points ignition and a 1 barrel carb. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

10th November 2008, 01:40 AM	#198
OutofMytree Former Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Perth Posts: 307	Re: Types of Biners you use. Funny how this sort of thing can happen. Here I am, reading this thread and thinking "ha, what idiot would let his krab get locked half open..." and decided to post a photo of what REAL men use. Then I realised that due to lack of cleaning, my krab was jammed half open! If I slapped my forehead any harder I would need a bag of ice and an aspirin. This is how it SHOULD look....... Now remind me again, when committing seppuku is it left to right and up or right to left and up... I always get that part mixed up Attached Thumbnails

2nd January 2009, 10:35 AM	#199
treefeller Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: aaa Posts: 224	Re: Types of Biners you use. Yep ive voted. I climb using auto lock and rig with screwgate as they are tougher

3rd January 2009, 12:23 PM	#201
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. was looking at some from isc,got any suggestions for me? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

4th January 2009, 01:33 AM	#202
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 955	I was hoping you'd have some suggestions for me. The ISC is the only one I know of that is touted as a quad (speaking of the twist-gate specificaly, not the slide-gate mighty mouse). I use that one (twist-gate) and I really like it. I can see, if I really give them the benefit of the doubt, that it is a quad lock. Yes, you can count 4 motions, but in the practical sense, if two of the motions meld seamlessly into one, it's effectively the same as any other triple lock. The no-longer-in-production Black Diamond Superlock- now that was a true quad-lock where the 4th and final position was a drop-in slot. I often wonder what the manufacturers have against bringing a true quad to market..... .... or maybe it's out there and I've somehow missed it. That's what I was hoping.

4th January 2009, 01:41 AM	#203
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. Heres a site that has a good selection of biners,i have 3,that really all i need for my old school climbing ways.I was just gonna buy a 4 way locking biner to see how practical they were,that and even though i use auto lockers,i really don't feel safe on them. Ultralight climbing equipment and Carabiners by Black Diamond, Camp, Clif, DMM, Faders, Mammut, Metolius, Omega Pacific, Petzl, Pieps, Simond, SMC, Trango, Wild Country, __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

22nd February 2009, 06:18 AM	#205
rbtree Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle, Wa. US of Eh Posts: 408	Re: Types of Biners you use. Quads employ an extra slot that can be used if desired. Typically, as with quad Kong, the slot is on the opposite side from the normal third lock...but it is a deeper slot. no extra springs needed that I know of. __________________ http://www.??????.com/photos/rbtree

22nd February 2009, 11:11 AM	#206
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. do you have one rb?if so maybe post a video of how they work? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

26th February 2009, 01:35 PM	#208
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: Types of Biners you use. This is the ISC mongoose Quadlock carabiner. Locked gate. 1. Twist. 2. Lift 3. Twist again. 4. Open gate. It is also available as a triple lock, which basically skips the first twist. Trev Attached Thumbnails

26th February 2009, 02:40 PM	#209
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Types of Biners you use. Thanks Trev. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

2nd March 2009, 10:00 AM	#210
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: Types of Biners you use. I wasnt aware that "opening the gate" was considered a 4th step. In that case I've got a steel quad locker at home. When I get back there tomorow I'll have to drag it out and see who it's made by.

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