Types of Biners you use.

newguy18

excuse me litheoum.

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Therrin

lithium?

newguy18

I dropped out in 8th grade don't hold it against me.

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arbdog

My spelling isnt too hot after a few beers!

arborjockey

Spelling? Computers? Not to hot with either. I downloaded the "I spell" but everytime I hit it it wants me to download it again. I checked in my programs and its not in there either. Anyone help me????

arbdog

dont know tons about p.cs myself, but back to biners I was coming down a ivy incrustrusted Field maple yesterday and my grilon biner got stuck and like a fool who pulled it! I thought i would never wack myself in the face with one again but i proved myself wrong!

ronnyb

I like the Petzl William ball locks. Easy to operate with heavy gloves on in winter. Powdered graphite is really common, you can find it in any hardware store. That's what we use, it doesn't attract more dirt or thicken up like wd40 does.

Tree Machine

I thought i would never wack myself in the face with one again but i proved myself wrong![/QUOTE]Owwwwwww!

I use all kinds, screwlockers, auto lockers, non-lockers, aluminum and steel, keylock gates, wire gates. I love em all. They go great with eye terminations. Muy efficient-o.

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Therrin

Mmmm, wire-gates. Loved them when climbing. Nice and light weight.

There was some promotional material given out at a seminar I went to, I'll see if I can find it. Mentioned how alot of aluminum wire-gate biners will start to deform at breaking load and strrrrretch before they break.
Supposedly, this can give you a couple precious seconds to do something about it as long as you see it happening.

Funny thing is... I climbed for so many years, and all we ever clipped with was non-locking biners. Especially when aiding. Considering weight and price, it can really add up on a full rack. It was even "the thing to do". Had screw-lock gates as well, just not nearly as many. I think it's strange that you can climb as a pro and not even have any form of locking gate, at heights higher than trees are capable of even growing, but in the Arb industry, if it's not an "autolocking" biner, it isn't good enough.

Do you climb Tree Machine? I haven't heard many other Arbo's mention wire-gates, except the rock climbers.

Sean Freeman

Oh don't get him started.........Jim's a gear junkey from way back, and a rock gecko too!!

Therrin

woohoo! Glad to hear it!

Eric Frei

Maybe rock climbers are expendable.

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Sean Freeman

I really like that cliff face that you have down in Brissy next to the river...going to get some gear together and do some climbing there myself one these days.

Eric Frei

Not in the afternoon coz it gets hot but early morning or night under lights.

It is a bit short for an abseil though ... zip, you're at the bottom.

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Tree Machine

I don't actually climb on any wiregates. The one in the pic is a mini-wiregate, like a reduced version of the bigger climbing hotwire by Black Diamond. These little ones are unrated; you don't use them in any climbing, rigging or hoisting of saws, just utility; hanging your saddle, clipping in the pole-pruner strap, dog leashes.

I have a hotwire integrated into my saddle, though, that plays a key role holding the dual-ascenders. It's the perfect shape and configuration for that job. And light.

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Therrin

TM....love your assortment.

Glad to hear that you're one of us, and not just a boring Arbo type

If you're ever in the area, I can take you to some great places for climbing.


(and I'm actually quite skinny, the sweater makes me look fat....LOL)


Here's a whole assortment of biners...most are non-locking.

Tree Machine

Don't take this wrong, but,..... Nice rack, dude.

TREEMONKEY

Its to bad My tree cutting season is the same as the rock season we get to much snow and gets too cold. I miss climbing rock every weekend.
at least i have a bouldering wall. indoor is alright but not great.

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Bermy

[QUOTE=Therrin;18929]For those who are "autolockers only" for safety use,

In situations where you'd be tied in using two lanyards,
this can have the result that you're using up to *four* biners that you are clipped in with.

You'd have to keep in mind that all 4 of those would have to be autolocking biners.

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Four biners???

I use auto lockers, climbing line and split tail are on one biner, lanyard has one on the side D(and thats a quad locker!) and a snap on the other end. Even if I add my wire core that only brings the total biners to three, one on each D and one on the bridge...no problem

For Rigging I use steel double action auto lockers, twist and open...let it go and snap! Ready to go, no twiddling and fiddling with screwgates.

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letigre

yeah i always use steel triple lockers for that very reason. they take more of a bashing! also tell your climbing to buy some kerosene and talcum powder, much cheaper way of identifying cracks! soak the beener in the kerosene for ten and then apply the talc. should come up like christmas lights if youve got cracks.

Pro Nemus

These are primarily what I use for climbing. The swivel is particularly useful.

Therrin

TM, I've no trouble with being complimented on my fine rack

All my cams, and hex's are hanging on the other side... pitty I didn't get an all inclusive shot.


Letigre,
Never heard of that before, but it sounds interesting. I'll file it away and give it a shot sometime. Have you noticed cracks using that method? Have any pictures?

Pro Nemus,
Nice biners for your setup. Whats the kN rating of the swivel? I've been looking at the ball-locks more. I'm stuck between thinking "gee that's simple, how cool" and "uhoh, one more thing to fail". How long have you been using them and what's your take on that?

Pro Nemus

The swivel biner is rated to 24kn. The locking feature takes a little practice to get used to, but its worth the effort.

I've had three of the ball locks since fall 2006, and they're pretty nice. Rated a 26kn, theyre still not as strong as a nice steel biner; however, they are very lightweight and easy to operate, even with insulated/waterproof gloves on.

Petzl had a recall on these last year, and I went through and checked mine to make sure they were functioning properly. Although I found everything to be ok, I still debated whether or not to try exchanging them for a different style. In the end, our season got started early and I never set aside the time to deal with it.

Now, I'm looking forward to purchasing another batch this year, and I've become quite accustomed to the ease of use. So, unless something else catches my eye, I'll probably be buying more.

Therrin

What did Petzl state as the reason for recall????

Pro Nemus

The recall was due to the possibility that the sleeve could be unlocked without pressing the button, allowing the gate to be opened by just twisting. They told us to check the locking mechanism by twisting the sleeve firmly, but "not too forcefully", and that if it would twist and open to return it to the place of purchase.

arborjockey

Pro nemus Nice Biner I like the swivel a lot. Opens up some ideas for my climbing style.

TreeHumper

Standards are established in response to accidents and equipment failures. An imperfect science to be sure but one that leads to fewer accidents caused by failures of gear or process.

When accidents do occur then blame is allocated and action taken. Look at the case of the window washer that survived the fall in NYC. He is now suing the scaffolding co. and his employer. What do you think will arise from that?

Standards of practice are created for professionals to follow. If they are not then the professional is open to liability. Would you work in a building or live in a house where the engineers took as flippant an attitude as some arborists do towards the standards???

Therrin

Humper,

Most people aren't around when a house is being worked on, or aren't inspecting the work as it happens, and wouldn't know if that was the attitude. As long as the house get's built, they don't really care once it's finished.
Besides, here, most of the mexicans who come across and don't speak english end up doing all the work, and its REALLY hard to tell what their attitude is, let alone their ability to do the work. Doesn't keep most normal people from living in the house though.

As for biners, like I said about professional rock climbers, how many tens of thousandds of people climb with non-locking biners? Most of them. Occasionally there are deaths, but the climbing community as a whole understands that these are widely due to OPERATOR ERROR, and they don't run around creating standards which hinder the rest of climbers who are able to climb safely by not taking shortcuts.

TreeHumper

Home construction is inspected step by step. You pour footings, it's inspected, foundation, inspected. Walls can't be closed up until the work to be buried is inspected. Besides the specifications of the drawings are approved by the building dept within the jurisdiction the homes are being built in and the architect and engineers affix their stamp to the drawings thus accepting liability for any failures. To say the least, a large portion of the cost of a home is the oversight by the contractors and building dept to ensure that it is built to code.

Rock climbers aren't regulated to the same extent because it is a recreational sport. However, here is what is going on with respect to safety, UIAA - Safety
Where a facility can be held liable then there are definitely rules. Go to any climbing gym and check it out.

At the end of the day, if we act like cowboys then we will continue to be treated as such. When we act as professionals then perception will change.

George Hayduke

Micro fractures in biners is a myth. Don't believe me...ask google and all of the gear manufacturers. This dead horse has been beaten to a pulp let the thing stay buried ok?

The link for the studies is on my other computer, I'll put it up later.

Nonlockers are fine out of trees...different environments. IN trees ropes, climbers and tree parts move around and can jiggle things out of alignment leading to accidents. Accidents have happened, standards change and the world is a better place.

Ask your heirs if they will allow you to climb on non-lockers after they read the Z.