rigging in the tree

Eric Frei · 17th January 2008, 04:55 PM

Well well well, I haven't been reading this thread and did just now.

Very spirited I must say.

I've done my share of all types of jobs, cranes, buckets, as a groundy, rope bloke, brush hauler, stump grinding guy etc.

The fastest way is to fell the tree whole, second fastest to fell it in pieces, 3rd fastest is bomb out big sections and then there's rigging. For the exercise cranes are not in here coz they help but are a type of rigging.

Recently elsewhere I've been told this

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Hey, at least I dont have to use my wife as a groundie. bought a chipper yet cowboy?

So, I suppose if your partner does work with you then you are inadequate and if you dont own a chipper then you are a cowboy.

Funny how people see the world, I have a miniloader which grinds stumps, drags brush and hauls log as well as pulling on trees so I might be some new hybrid tree hack/cowboy/arborist thing?

Anyway, everyone watch your assumptions.

newguy18 · 18th January 2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by quercus

That's the right way to go, Therrin... THINK TWICE,CUT ONCE...

who says guys who free fall limbs and wood don't think twice?that is one general rule for me as in free falling you usually can't afford an error in cutting or missjudgement but rigging up tp a point can help conceal errors in your cutting.freefalling can be perfected to an art form.

arborjockey · 18th January 2008, 01:42 AM

For the first time in my career I'm aloud to "bomb" big pieces into clients yards. My boss tells them there yard is going to look like Afghanistan when its done. I don't like it. It looks bad on the yard. Its defiantly quick. I've been slaying trees treed lately. Funny when an owner finds out your quick and safe on take downs the pruning lows down.

treevet · 19th January 2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Therrin

Treevet.... I don't "fumble" with my rigging. Everything I place is methodical and swift through lots of practice. I don't unnecessarily haul ass though, even if I have another project in the day. I suppose some people get away with being a little messy in their old age and I like to keep things nice and neat

Having rigged down over 200 large trees so far, some up to 5' dia., I think I qualify. Having never broken anything of the h.o.'s, never dropped overhanging limbs on a garage or house, shed, meatlocker or toolbox, I think I'm doing alright so far.

I'm not sure what age has to do with it. I haven't sold out to the "more miles per day" crowd yet. And I don't have a nice bucket truck and crane, not that one could access most spots in the Lakes area up here, they're just about worthless when it comes to that. I actually have to *climb* the stuff I rig.

As far as "afraid to prune a damn oak tree"....

My reasons are propperly stated as not wishing to butcher something which is quite beautiful, has been around hundreds of years longer than your 59 some odd, and will be around long after I'm dead, hopefully.

I prune pines and other stuff often, but these oaks are all permitted, and I don't want to F&CK it up, so excuse me, if I don't just hack away at it without knowing what I'm doing, just so I can finish the job as soon as possible!

I must say, 200 tree removals is a very impressive number, Therrin, as is the cartoon character displaying your IQ.

Seriously, though, it sounds like you know what you are doing. But, if you could look back at this thread in 10 years you might laugh at your "sell out" comment. Earning nice equipment and subsequently a beautiful home doesn t send you straight to hell. I never set foot in a bucket for the first 22 years.

Therrin · 19th January 2008, 09:50 AM

I'm reading that as placating and sarcastic, but given the fact that Ekka and several other's use "cartoon characters" as well, I'll take that as a compliment TreeVet! Thanks

Why've you gotta make things personal? You trying to compensate for something? If I can look back in 10 years and see that I haven't "sold out", I'd be pretty happy with my life. You'll notice that there are several other people around TreeWorld who haven't chosen your course, does that make them stupid untrained youngsters who haven't figured it out yet?

I can understand you attacking my technique. But you can't seem to stick to that, or having a difference of opinion without attacking my age, my experience, my IQ? Next thing I know you'll be saying that I have poor grammar, unschooled vocabulary and a poor choice of girlfriends!!!

I see you didn't deny "selling out" or "using gaffs while pruning".

<shrugs>

"Subsequently", I suppose having a nice home and good equipment isn't necessarily a sign of good ethics or character.

treevet · 19th January 2008, 10:00 AM

[QUOTE=

I see you didn't deny "selling out" or "using gaffs while pruning".

<shrugs>

[/QUOTE]

I deny it.

Therrin · 19th January 2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by treevet

I spent last winter on AS and really enjoyed it until 2 times in 3 days I was blindsided by 2 different people for no discernable reason. I don t mind, and even enjoy someone taking a swing at me but let me retaliate. ... I had had many exchanges with JPS, and I thought there was a mutual respect over time, but changed my mind when I got handcuffed and left. Love agood fight, but if I cannot swing back it takes all the fun out of it.

Ahhh it all makes sense now. So this is kinda regular for you, attacking people on forums and getting into flame wars. Little immature don't ya think?

I can't personally claim to have 'gotten into it with several people and enjoyed the fight' . My idea of "fun" on the forum is a bit different.

Now you deny something that you previously equated to your being able to get nice equipment and a good house. I don't see any appologies for your attacks on me personally though. Guess you aren't the type to admit when you're wrong.

Sorry for attacking your age, but you were coming across like an a$$hole, and sounded kinda crotchety and grumpy. Kinda like the grinch who stole christmas, ya know?

quercus · 19th January 2008, 04:31 PM

Treevet... Your taking this to a personal level...No-one's oppinion needs to be "attacked" here... it needs to be discussed... A forum is not about fighting battles, handcuffing, retaliation or taking swings at people... It's about sharing idea's,discussions, techniques, new products, and learning. We can all learn a lot here. Even the guys who are 20 years in business could learn something here. And therefore so can you...Even if that means you already have a nice home and super gear, but don't call anyone a sell out please....
I personally feel that Therrin is right on this, but some of his points of view are discussable. But you are giving good arguments on a few points too.
Please get your issues sorted out or take them elsewhere. I'm not trying to play cop on this...

Therrin · 19th January 2008, 04:41 PM

It's all good Quercus, we handled it on a different thread.

We just do things differently is all.

dannyboysfc · 19th January 2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by treevet

Not intending to lessen the impact of this dissertation on routine rigging 101, butif one wants toknow where this is heading it is with the thought that the lessrigging you do the better takedown man you are.

Free fall gravity down is always quicker. To make big money and still outbid competitors, speed is a must.

lBlowing huge leads out when the shot is there is a start. Slicing big upright limbs when their canopy is contained by other canopy with a 45 degree up back cut and matching down cut and spear the limb into the ground like a fkg dart is a great technique. Chunking, hinging, turning, flipping, jumping, swinging, tossing, slicing, etc. and eventually rooting for a good result is what it evolves to.l

All that gear set up (sometimes you gotta do it) and wrapping (taka....wrap....what.....how many......I can t hear you...) is so slow and boring and on the ground it ties up the gm esp if big and the climber/bucket. Let s kick some ass, get on the next or go home and lay on the couch.

Btw, yes you should buy a big aluminum block and some high cap pullies.

Personally, I'd have to say that rigging has its place and even sometimes when we could drop big pieces to the ground it is faster in the long run to rig it down. We have a big chipper, if you get a piece that is about 16" diamater and pretty damn long(too long for even 3 groundsmen to lift into the chipper) you can use your rigging to get those pieces right into the feeder. A big block, then use a porta wrap or other device instead of trunk wraps and a big bull rope. After the piece has been dropped & stopped before it hits the ground 1 groundsman can guide the piece into the chipper while the other lets out the line. Untie the piece and continue feeding the piece into the chipper. It may take longer to actually get the tree down, but the complete job start to finish cleanup and all will have taken less time and been less strenuous.

newguy18 · 20th January 2008, 01:29 AM

usually people ask me to leave the wood and brush because i'm in an ag area so they usually burn.i end cutting the wood into about 18" pieces though which is really time consuming.I usually bomb chunks out unless I absolutly need to rig it or its more practical.Thank God for snap and jump cuts and all those other free falling special cuts.

bigshea13 · 20th January 2008, 02:41 AM

yeah its a good thing you dont have to rig. especially if your riggin line is as crappy as your climbing line. might as well use old shoe laces tied togather.

newguy18 · 20th January 2008, 03:01 AM

Its only a crappy line if you feel like your in danger and I'm quite comfortable on my climb line.Its also been shockloaded and held so it must not be to crappy.I still rig but not every single limb i just perfer free falling limbs its quicker.I chuck out a few good sized limbs and have my dad start cutting those up and i move to another side otf the tree and send down a few more that way noones waiting on the other guy.I do the same when working by myself only it prune or remove asap then get down and buck firewood lengths.

bigshea13 · 20th January 2008, 11:41 AM

are you able to sell any of the wood. or logs?

newguy18 · 20th January 2008, 12:12 PM

only if I take it home.like I said 9 times outta 10 they ask me to leave it.

quercus · 20th January 2008, 09:39 PM

same here newguy... because of the oil prices. I don't care about the wood though. Actually saves me time when I can leave it.

treevet · 20th January 2008, 10:46 PM

Couple of years ago I bought a timberwolf splitter. Last year wood sales were so slow I put a wood add on furnace to use up some more wood. I have always had wood stoves. This worked out so well I could care less if I ever sell any more wood (although I sold out in Nov. this year except for my own stuff).

I haven t spent a cent on heating fuel and this morning it is 1 degree f. and it is 74 on my thermostat. It goes in the ducts and has a humidifier. Cost about 1000 for the unit and 900 installation. Also saving the 100 dollar per truck charge for wood dumped (I m city and I couldn t fit my gear in my lot if I didn t move it out somehow).

Therrin · 20th January 2008, 10:55 PM

Treevet,

I'd LOVE to get a splitter! Been looking at a couple of them. Used a run-of-the-mill "troy-built" for 6 days a couple weeks ago while splitting wood. It worked alright but I could see where I'd prefer improvements. What kinda horsepower do you like for a splitter? This was only a 5.5HP.

As for wood burning stoves, I grew up with one. Didn't know what a true joy it was till I moved out and started having to pay heating bills =) I gotta agree about being able to feed one now, where I live they've got a nice big wood stove; however, I brought in about 14 cords of wood these last 8 months, and I knew I had to do something with all that wood since I could never keep up with myself by using it all!!!!!

Ended up starting the first season of my "firewood selling" operation this year. Looking at streamlining the process for next year, as well as buying my own splitter.

The humidifier sounds pretty niffty. We just put a kettle of water ont he woodstove. Cheaper eh? =)

treevet · 20th January 2008, 11:11 PM

My early years wood splitter/wood stove effort was supplied by a 25 pound monster maul. If you got it way up, you could count on it coming down and something getting broken (hopefully not my foot). Since I had a 1200.00 splitter that would split both sideways and guillotine (sp?) so you could bust big stuff. It had a 5.5 like yours and was very capable. Me being an equipment brat, I longed for the best answer. I got a TW5 finally that can lift a 600 lb log and give 6 way split. I think it has a 10 hp. It is very costly though. I think I gave about 7 k for it but it has already paid for itself in wood sales alone.

I d like to say I enjoy using it but my one employee uses and I try to get it all done before it is real hot out.

18th January 2008, 01:42 AM	#33
arborjockey Mature tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: hawaii. ohio. oregon. california Posts: 259	Re: rigging in the tree For the first time in my career I'm aloud to "bomb" big pieces into clients yards. My boss tells them there yard is going to look like Afghanistan when its done. I don't like it. It looks bad on the yard. Its defiantly quick. I've been slaying trees treed lately. Funny when an owner finds out your quick and safe on take downs the pruning lows down.

19th January 2008, 09:50 AM	#35
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: rigging in the tree I'm reading that as placating and sarcastic, but given the fact that Ekka and several other's use "cartoon characters" as well, I'll take that as a compliment TreeVet! Thanks Why've you gotta make things personal? You trying to compensate for something? If I can look back in 10 years and see that I haven't "sold out", I'd be pretty happy with my life. You'll notice that there are several other people around TreeWorld who haven't chosen your course, does that make them stupid untrained youngsters who haven't figured it out yet? I can understand you attacking my technique. But you can't seem to stick to that, or having a difference of opinion without attacking my age, my experience, my IQ? Next thing I know you'll be saying that I have poor grammar, unschooled vocabulary and a poor choice of girlfriends!!! I see you didn't deny "selling out" or "using gaffs while pruning". <shrugs> "Subsequently", I suppose having a nice home and good equipment isn't necessarily a sign of good ethics or character.

19th January 2008, 10:00 AM	#36
treevet Monument Status Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,119	Re: rigging in the tree [QUOTE= I see you didn't deny "selling out" or "using gaffs while pruning". <shrugs> [/QUOTE] I deny it.

19th January 2008, 04:31 PM	#38
quercus Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 368	Re: rigging in the tree Treevet... Your taking this to a personal level...No-one's oppinion needs to be "attacked" here... it needs to be discussed... A forum is not about fighting battles, handcuffing, retaliation or taking swings at people... It's about sharing idea's,discussions, techniques, new products, and learning. We can all learn a lot here. Even the guys who are 20 years in business could learn something here. And therefore so can you...Even if that means you already have a nice home and super gear, but don't call anyone a sell out please.... I personally feel that Therrin is right on this, but some of his points of view are discussable. But you are giving good arguments on a few points too. Please get your issues sorted out or take them elsewhere. I'm not trying to play cop on this...

19th January 2008, 04:41 PM	#39
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: rigging in the tree It's all good Quercus, we handled it on a different thread. We just do things differently is all.

20th January 2008, 01:29 AM	#41
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: rigging in the tree usually people ask me to leave the wood and brush because i'm in an ag area so they usually burn.i end cutting the wood into about 18" pieces though which is really time consuming.I usually bomb chunks out unless I absolutly need to rig it or its more practical.Thank God for snap and jump cuts and all those other free falling special cuts. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

20th January 2008, 02:41 AM	#42
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 361	Re: rigging in the tree yeah its a good thing you dont have to rig. especially if your riggin line is as crappy as your climbing line. might as well use old shoe laces tied togather.

20th January 2008, 03:01 AM	#43
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: rigging in the tree Its only a crappy line if you feel like your in danger and I'm quite comfortable on my climb line.Its also been shockloaded and held so it must not be to crappy.I still rig but not every single limb i just perfer free falling limbs its quicker.I chuck out a few good sized limbs and have my dad start cutting those up and i move to another side otf the tree and send down a few more that way noones waiting on the other guy.I do the same when working by myself only it prune or remove asap then get down and buck firewood lengths. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

20th January 2008, 11:41 AM	#44
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 361	Re: rigging in the tree are you able to sell any of the wood. or logs?

20th January 2008, 12:12 PM	#45
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: rigging in the tree only if I take it home.like I said 9 times outta 10 they ask me to leave it. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

20th January 2008, 09:39 PM	#46
quercus Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 368	Re: rigging in the tree same here newguy... because of the oil prices. I don't care about the wood though. Actually saves me time when I can leave it.

20th January 2008, 10:46 PM	#47
treevet Monument Status Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,119	Re: rigging in the tree Couple of years ago I bought a timberwolf splitter. Last year wood sales were so slow I put a wood add on furnace to use up some more wood. I have always had wood stoves. This worked out so well I could care less if I ever sell any more wood (although I sold out in Nov. this year except for my own stuff). I haven t spent a cent on heating fuel and this morning it is 1 degree f. and it is 74 on my thermostat. It goes in the ducts and has a humidifier. Cost about 1000 for the unit and 900 installation. Also saving the 100 dollar per truck charge for wood dumped (I m city and I couldn t fit my gear in my lot if I didn t move it out somehow).

20th January 2008, 10:55 PM	#48
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: rigging in the tree Treevet, I'd LOVE to get a splitter! Been looking at a couple of them. Used a run-of-the-mill "troy-built" for 6 days a couple weeks ago while splitting wood. It worked alright but I could see where I'd prefer improvements. What kinda horsepower do you like for a splitter? This was only a 5.5HP. As for wood burning stoves, I grew up with one. Didn't know what a true joy it was till I moved out and started having to pay heating bills =) I gotta agree about being able to feed one now, where I live they've got a nice big wood stove; however, I brought in about 14 cords of wood these last 8 months, and I knew I had to do something with all that wood since I could never keep up with myself by using it all!!!!! Ended up starting the first season of my "firewood selling" operation this year. Looking at streamlining the process for next year, as well as buying my own splitter. The humidifier sounds pretty niffty. We just put a kettle of water ont he woodstove. Cheaper eh? =)

20th January 2008, 11:11 PM	#49
treevet Monument Status Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,119	Re: rigging in the tree My early years wood splitter/wood stove effort was supplied by a 25 pound monster maul. If you got it way up, you could count on it coming down and something getting broken (hopefully not my foot). Since I had a 1200.00 splitter that would split both sideways and guillotine (sp?) so you could bust big stuff. It had a 5.5 like yours and was very capable. Me being an equipment brat, I longed for the best answer. I got a TW5 finally that can lift a 600 lb log and give 6 way split. I think it has a 10 hp. It is very costly though. I think I gave about 7 k for it but it has already paid for itself in wood sales alone. I d like to say I enjoy using it but my one employee uses and I try to get it all done before it is real hot out.

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