Remote| removable| retrievable| redirect system?

Harrie

On ekka's request placed in this thread.

Redirect with two revolvers.

It's removable from the ground and easy to install in a climbing system, just one revolver on each climbing line.

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Eric Frei

Harrie thanks for that, it's great. It retrieves the entire system though, if that's what you want.

It doesn't retrieve just the redirect whilst maintaining your high point. Definately one for the tool kit though.

Readers, so you have a few options here, the DDM Revolvers are great for redirects, just think about whether you want to pull the entire system out of the tree or just the redirect.

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jtrouse

ive got a few that when i get a chance ill post more detail pics up,
one is picture below, then theres the ropeman strop and double pulley, the retrievable system with the tail of your rope.

ill try and take photos tomorrow if i get a chance.

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jim1nz

Risky as. Where did you get that idea from? I know Tommy G has used it

A couple of years ago some friends and i were trying it, got the idea off Rich Kenyon. He used a gibbs, we tried a microscender then a ropeman. All worked the same, just wanted to get the weight down.

We were climbing big oaks and a mate had his redirect set up like you have shown, had the end of his rope attached instead of the throwline. He had the saw running about to cut and looked over at me, i looked down and shook my head. We both realised if he cut that piece there was a good chance it could tangle in his climbing line and rip his redirect out. It can happen with dynema throwlines just as easy.

I asked what they though at the NZ champs and it was disaloued and for good reason.


That redirect that fosheezy has is simple, safe and effective. You can retrieve you entire system or just the redirect. There is no need to disconnect you climbing system to install it like a cambium saver etc. Instead of a knot for retrieval, you can tape the throat of your splice and add a small sailing shackle, eliminating the chance of the knot getting stuck.

Also watch what you have in terms of branches/brush between you and your redirect as that system will only free fall along your rope back to you.

With out getting too custom, that system requires nothing but gear most climbers will have in their kits.

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jtrouse

yeah I do realize about something could hit the rope or throwline and pull it out do you think the revolver with the prussic would be a safer redirect that can come out with in the tree and also on the ground?? Thanks

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jim1nz

Absolutely Jim, the revolver system you got is good. There are a few bits and pieces you can do to make it better but a solid basis is there.

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newguy18

my biggest cocern with Jim's system is that both biners are the same size,how would yuo retrieve it from the ground?Other than that its all good,looks good and durable too.

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jim1nz

Thats why i say, there are a few bits and pieces you can do to make it better. Depends on what you have set up as you highpoint friction device in terms of the redirect retrieval.

I have a small half twist shackle on my ropeguide so when i retrieve it, i just pull my climbing line out directly no knots, the splice goes through the cocoon and catches the shackle bringing it down.

With this said, using Jims system i would pull my rope out, the splice would go through one of those DMM binas, upto my ropeguide bringing that out, which would come down to the other bina on the redirect. Unless my ropeguide pulls through the redirect bina it would bring that down too.

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newguy18

Wouldn't it be easier to just put a smaller biner or ring in there?

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jim1nz

A ring is no good because if you installing a redirect, your out on the end of a branch so ya dont want to disconnect your climbing system. But yea, i have a shackle like the one shown on my redirect and it works good. Not that mine is the same as that redirect but that one is good.

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newguy18

I use the branch to redirect my line,sometimes a nylon loop girth hitched to the branch with a carabiner.

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jtrouse

Yeah my rope guide retrieves this redirect from the ground fine. So jim enlighten us on your redirect system. I've been trying to work out the difference. Cheers

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Eric Frei

Those clicky dog clips are handy for stuff too.

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jim1nz

One step at a time mate.

Practice what you already know until you can set it up in your sleep. Then get it stuck enough times to understand why it gets stuck and develop something better. Thats what i did.

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MTS247

JimNZ i came up with it my self just playing around. i tryed using a prussic but it seamed unreliable.

Yeah Richie has similar thing but used a microcender. so i changed mine to a microcender but it didnt remove as well, but safer.

He was saying the ropeman version is not usually alowed in comps as its not rated for climbing. apparantly the ropeman can do damage to rope when under load.

And there is the quick release bowline redirect. which i will not post pics of because i dont think its safe.

jim1nz

Good on ya, yea there are a few redirects you can set using the tail, i think i know the bowline one your talking about.

The ropeman is not rated correct. I think the ropeman with the toothed cam is the major problem there. Also any toothed cam will strip double braid ropes at next to know load, we did a few drop tests at the Christchurch nationals last year. That year i wasnt able to use that system with any form of mechanical device. I dont think its bomb proof so i dont use it. Props for coming up with it mate!

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