Palm pull rope tip?

playfordtree · 25th March 2008, 08:54 PM

Last week while doing a large Washingtonia, i used the bigshot/throwline technique so i could get a rope over the top and tie to the base.

But it took nearly an hour to set the rope up, as every time i went to pull the bull rope through the top it kept getting stuck on the fronds etc..

Ended up having to stand on top of my 8m/26ft ladder and use my jamieson pole (fully extented) to get the rope over the top.

Normally it goes over fairly easily, anyone else had this prob, and any tips on how to overcome it.

Ekka · 25th March 2008, 09:07 PM

Sure, happens a lot.

The worst is when you get a really good throwline shot and the string goes down the guts of the central spear.

I generally pull through a 12mm 3 strand rope next, much more in dia it will get harder, however a 10mm with good breaking strain would be even better.

Use a thick strong throwline, I got some old thick stuff.

Anyway, when you tie the throwline to the rope dont do it right on the end like 99% of people do with a tree. That's coz the "stub" end of the rope will surely stab into and between fronds. Tie it about 1m down the rope so when pulling through the rope sort of does a loop helping get through tight fronds.

When pulling the rope through try to get as far away from the palm as you can. This is so there's less force pulling the rop into the head which makes it get stuck. If you have another person have them "feed" the tail of the rope from further away, or if doing on your own have the tail far from the palm over another tree branch or something.

If there is another person around I have them whip a huge hump up the rope and time the pull for when that lump is at the tree top. Now if you start to get stuck, keep pulling. I find a stick or something and get wraps on it and heave like crazy whislt stiull trying to keep far away. 90% of the time you will punch through.

A good tip is shoot the throwbag way over the top of the palm, double the height say, that way there's no pulling the thin throwline into the head.

playfordtree · 25th March 2008, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Anyway, when you tie the throwline to the rope dont do it right on the end like 99% of people do with a tree. That's coz the "stub" end of the rope will surely stab into and between fronds. Tie it about 1m down the rope so when pulling through the rope sort of does a loop helping get through tight fronds.

This was the only thing that i didn't try.
I think that might be the key, i will try this next time

Have you ever tried setting up a leather cambium saver type of device to make the rope glide through more easily?

Ekka · 26th March 2008, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by playfordtree

Have you ever tried setting up a leather cambium saver type of device to make the rope glide through more easily?

Rope breaking strength exceeds that of the frond bending over strength unless you are in the spear or rope has fallen into bad V frond unions, key is try to run it up over the fronds not pull it into the V ... it's all up to that throwline shot.

JohN Dee · 26th March 2008, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by playfordtree

This was the only thing that i didn't try.
I think that might be the key, i will try this next time

Have you ever tried setting up a leather cambium saver type of device to make the rope glide through more easily?

Just to let ya know a "cambium device" really should only be used for climbing and not rigging or felling... Because it is primarily a tool used for climbing and supporting your life

. Bit like pulling a tree over with your climbing rope

.

When I tie my throwline to the climbing rope I do a series of hitches up to the end of the rope with the throwline. I start at the "stub" end of the rope doing all half hitches probably 30-50cm down the rope then terminate with a timber hitch. That way you're supporting a bigger piece of the rope if one half hitch comes off you've got 2-20 more holding it then a timberhitch.

playfordtree · 26th March 2008, 05:20 AM

John,
wasn't suggesting using any of your climbing gear for rigging.

I was using the leather cambium saver as an example.

Just wondering if anyone has made, or used something similar to the cambium saver, something that could be installed from the ground with your throwline.
Something that your bull rope would slide through easily rather than be caught on fronds.

vl2007 · 26th March 2008, 01:37 PM

I try to shoot the throw line double the hight of the tree. So far no problems. And i do walk away from the palm to give less of an angle.

25th March 2008, 08:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
playfordtree Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 340	Palm pull rope tip? Last week while doing a large Washingtonia, i used the bigshot/throwline technique so i could get a rope over the top and tie to the base. But it took nearly an hour to set the rope up, as every time i went to pull the bull rope through the top it kept getting stuck on the fronds etc.. Ended up having to stand on top of my 8m/26ft ladder and use my jamieson pole (fully extented) to get the rope over the top. Normally it goes over fairly easily, anyone else had this prob, and any tips on how to overcome it. __________________ I Drink Therefore I am.

25th March 2008, 09:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,664	Re: Palm pull rope tip? Sure, happens a lot. The worst is when you get a really good throwline shot and the string goes down the guts of the central spear. I generally pull through a 12mm 3 strand rope next, much more in dia it will get harder, however a 10mm with good breaking strain would be even better. Use a thick strong throwline, I got some old thick stuff. Anyway, when you tie the throwline to the rope dont do it right on the end like 99% of people do with a tree. That's coz the "stub" end of the rope will surely stab into and between fronds. Tie it about 1m down the rope so when pulling through the rope sort of does a loop helping get through tight fronds. When pulling the rope through try to get as far away from the palm as you can. This is so there's less force pulling the rop into the head which makes it get stuck. If you have another person have them "feed" the tail of the rope from further away, or if doing on your own have the tail far from the palm over another tree branch or something. If there is another person around I have them whip a huge hump up the rope and time the pull for when that lump is at the tree top. Now if you start to get stuck, keep pulling. I find a stick or something and get wraps on it and heave like crazy whislt stiull trying to keep far away. 90% of the time you will punch through. A good tip is shoot the throwbag way over the top of the palm, double the height say, that way there's no pulling the thin throwline into the head. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

26th March 2008, 05:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
playfordtree Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 340	Re: Palm pull rope tip? John, wasn't suggesting using any of your climbing gear for rigging. I was using the leather cambium saver as an example. Just wondering if anyone has made, or used something similar to the cambium saver, something that could be installed from the ground with your throwline. Something that your bull rope would slide through easily rather than be caught on fronds. __________________ I Drink Therefore I am.

26th March 2008, 01:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
vl2007 Cruisin' Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 84	Re: Palm pull rope tip? I try to shoot the throw line double the hight of the tree. So far no problems. And i do walk away from the palm to give less of an angle.

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