New prussik technique...

newguy18

its just a blake hitch nothing special.

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TREEMONKEY

Sorry not the blakes the knot attaching the snap clip.

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newguy18

it looks like a bowline with an extra tuck to me.i used to use it to terminate my climb line until it creeped on me now i use a figure eight.

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arborjockey

Yes, New guys right it's a bowline with a finish tuck, a better half, ect. It keeps the tail out of the way. You do end up with a larger knot thats harder to pull through crotchs. I would also shorten the line thats connected to the micro pulley too. Here a pic. of me back when I used this style of climbing. '03. See the tree over my right shoulder? 160' pine... beautiful big dozer.

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quercus

a bowline knot, with or without the extra tuck, is never complete and TDS'ed without a single figure 8 or stopper knot in the free end of it.

Bermy

I have been reading this thread with interest, enjoying the cut and thrust, sharp exchanges...
I think the key is, try something new, share it, troubleshoot it, if you like it, use it, if you don't...don't.

I'm 115lbs, so weight is not an issue...

I have decided not to use a prussik because even I found I could not get a good hold with two wraps and three was too much. Tried it, just doesn't work for me.
I've tried a lockjack, too scary, not ready for it...
I learned on the Blakes and have been very happy with it till now. Safe, secure, no problem. Tried a micro pulley under it but could not get the set up comfortable so I ditched it.

Trying new things and really wanting to get a self tending setup, I've just switched to a distel (tied with ice tail, tried beeline didn't work)) with a self tending pulley. The pulley is snapped in between the eyes of the distel on the main carabiner.
I've had this on my lanyards for several years works like a charm especially one handed tending.
I climbed three days last week with my new system, I also finally used a Petzl foot ascender I've had knocking around for several years but never used till now.

Wow what a difference! The icetail is smooth and does not bind, limbwalking is easier, and the foot ascender is a dream for footlocking the tail.
BUT the initial ascent if I had to footlock was a bit stop and start because the distel is not long enough to get a good pull, I had to pull from above the knot...never a good idea.

So sitting here reading your posts and looking at the pictures got me to thinking...and my eyes fell on a short sling I've had for years, it was sitting on the window ledge near the confuser..computer, never used. It's about 14cm (5 1/2") stiched down the middle so it has a small opening at either end. I'm going to use it like an extender, crab on the bridge, short sling, crab on the other end with pulley and hitch. it should give me enough length to get a good pull from below, then once I'm up, remove the short sling and carry on as usual.

That's the PLAN....

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arborjockey

Bermy, I would like to see a picture of your new setup it sounds interesting You put a stoppper knot at the end of your bowline?

newguy18

For lifeline terminations you should because it creeps.Thats why i quit using it and now use a figure eight,i will however use a bowline when climbing tail tied.

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Bermy

Should be using it next week...stay tuned

I put a stopper at the end of my bowline too, way I was taught.

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jim1nz

Good reading alright.

Regarding the prussic technique, i think its great for guys on prussics/blakes/taughtline ect. I have seen a lot of setups but never seen that, nice work Q. Its taking one step back to take two forward, i have never thought of trying to develop an older system.

I climb on my version of the VT which is great for me. Tried the LJ and the Spider jack and really did like them but not enough for me to replace the system i use with either one. If you think the LJ is scary wait until you have a go of the SJ haha, its just different and takes time to get used to thats all. The SJ is basicly a positioner with a wooden additional cam to make the decent smoother, it is really smooth when you get used to it but it takes time.

D Mc, if you used a pulley with two eyes, you could splice your extendable prussic directly onto one eye and when you wanted to change to your short system, clip the carabiner from your LJ directly into the remaining eye. All this does is eliminate a carabiner and eliminates having two biners clipped into one another. At the same time your system remains the angle/direction your used to (LJ ball on the right). What do you reckon?

A double bowline tucked or a single bowline with a figure 8 stopper is minimum requirements for climbing. But hey whats the point if your main attachment point is a snap hook...

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Bermy

Here is a picture of my new setup...so far I am very happy, I found trying to self tend a Blakes without using a friction saver did not work, but the icetail/distel seems to be better, and is a breeze with a friction saver.
I have not tried it with the short sling extension yet, I buggered up my knee on the weekend playing hockey...off for two weeks while it returns to normal size.

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gump

hey bermy, how do you find that system, when your out on the end of a branch, stretching, and need to get a little further to complete your work, reaching back to grab the prussic, is it still in hand/arms reach?

gump

oh yeah, just had another quick look at your photo, is that a clove hitch you have tied to your biner? is that what you normally tie in with, or just for the photo?

Bermy

The idea is to use the short sling for the initial ascent, so I have enough room to get a good pull from underneath, then detach it and bring the hitch in close. Without the sling I can reach it just fine on a branch walk.
The clove hitch was just for the picture...not my termination knot!

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arborjockey

If I tie a bowline with a better half and use a thimble you guys think that theirs a chance of role out? As for the clip it ties right in with the name of the pic. OLD MAN STYLE The clip was nice to toss to a upper branch. Until it hit the branch and came flying back at your teeth


speaking of hard day at the office. I had to straiten my teeth out with my thumb because they were facing back towards my throat after this ordeal. The Dr. had to turn my lip inside out to find the last piece of tooth that was lodged. It took him an hour and 4 x-rays. Only to find out it was rite on the surface.good job dummy AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
crap my video wont load???? well it saved you guys from having to look at an ugly guy with busted teeth well heres a pic. 4 ya,, is it me or is this guys wife really ugly

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gump

bermy, thanks for clarifying, happy climbing!!

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