Need Knot help!!!

second-gen_monkey

well, i knew it was a bad idea. i took my knot book to work and dropped it into a canal ( i was eating lunch in an awesome banion overhanging the water and dropped it reahing for some fries, stupid me).



do you guys have any sugestions for a good book. mine was some book my dad had and gave me the list price on the back was in the high sixties (usa $) and i really don't have the money to drop on a new one or access to a computer in my free time.
any suggestions?

oh and any thing you guys can post with diagrams of your favorite climbing/ lowering knots would be awesome. i bought a throw away rope to make and practice my knots with so i can try them out (the tying and dressing part at least) here at school. currently i tue alot of bowlines (not the best, i know, but i can do one with my eyes closed and an angry squirel clawing my particulars) and one whos name i cant remember. it's my main lowering/ dropping knot formed by essentially wrapping the rope around the piece to be cut. one wrap on the left side of the vertical line, cross the vert on the same side it touches the piece one wrap on the right of the vert finish by wrapping the tail into the gap between previous wraps and putting a couple hiches in it.
only failed once, but that's still too many times. i hope i explained that good so someone can give me the name...

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6 years exp as a "ground work technician" specializing in "debris removal and placement"

3 years climbing training

1 year diesel mechanics school

22 years doing this --->

Eric Frei

I think you are describing the clove hitch .... not the most reliable for lowering as it can roll out, always lock it off with a couple half hitches.

What about that lil book, The Tree Climber's Companion, pretty handy and cheap for what it is really.

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treeshaveneeds

I generally use a running bowline for lowering, sometimes an adapted clovehitch, but always with 2-3 half hitches at end to secure knot.

I suppose the book was unretrievable?

Eric Frei

I think they got them gators in Fl.

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second-gen_monkey

not as bad as the lawyers.

yeah, i always hitch it closed. sometimes three or four if i have the available length on the tail. at least two everytime.

i've used the runng bowline a few times. it's slid down to a crotch but the other has never done so, which makes me trust it a little more.

the clove is close but not quite right, not enough turns and the lock step isn't the same the knot profile is more like this (perids are for spacing reasons)
..I.. <--two or three hitches on this vert with the tail
IIxII<-- two loops on either side
..^..<--- rope crosses itself here, behind the load bearing end.

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"I love my job, if you can't fix it, cut it down!"- Heard while watching a certain tree company with big orange trucks work.

6 years exp as a "ground work technician" specializing in "debris removal and placement"

3 years climbing training

1 year diesel mechanics school

22 years doing this --->

second-gen_monkey

straight to the botom, like it was made of absorbent wood pulp or something.

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"I love my job, if you can't fix it, cut it down!"- Heard while watching a certain tree company with big orange trucks work.

6 years exp as a "ground work technician" specializing in "debris removal and placement"

3 years climbing training

1 year diesel mechanics school

22 years doing this --->

treeshaveneeds

So you can't fish for it - with a long poled net?

Knot is hard to follow - can you provide a pic or drawing?

TrevMcRev

google "animated knots by grog"

even an iphone app for it too.

second-gen_monkey

26' poll should work.

tried grog but don't have time, not today.... emergency

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"I love my job, if you can't fix it, cut it down!"- Heard while watching a certain tree company with big orange trucks work.

6 years exp as a "ground work technician" specializing in "debris removal and placement"

3 years climbing training

1 year diesel mechanics school

22 years doing this --->

treeshaveneeds

So you just need to add a net to the end of the pole pruner and add a bunch of extensions... or maybe one of those expand-a-claw arrangements.

second-gen_monkey

lol!

i found another book in my dad's magic box of junk. i love that box. still need a new one, this one's from '92

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"I love my job, if you can't fix it, cut it down!"- Heard while watching a certain tree company with big orange trucks work.

6 years exp as a "ground work technician" specializing in "debris removal and placement"

3 years climbing training

1 year diesel mechanics school

22 years doing this --->

treeshaveneeds

So make a note of all the titles and authors, and if taking your book(s) into the field - no further than the truck cab.....

bruce6670

Try this. Clove Hitch | How to tie a Clove Hitch | Boating Knots

Alon

See: pdf attachment. 16 knots in your pocket! Print double sided on one page, cut (it doesn't line up perfectly but it works). Laminate, punch a hole and tie them together with a small string using a double fishermans knot. Great flashcards for on the road.

Attached Files

hitches.pdf (3.79 MB, 207 views)

Eric Frei

That's great Alon.

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