Logs,Chips and Saw-Dust

TREE-SURFER · 24th February 2007, 05:02 PM

What do you do with yours' ?

What do the rest of us guy's (or Gals) do with it all.
Good when you can leave it all for the customer.
Tipping charges are going through the roof over here and no storage space in yard for it.

What do you do?

Ekka · 24th February 2007, 05:09 PM

Chip is always easy to get rid of.

Hardwood logs I can get rid off for free but have to transport them.

Crap logs like ficus, poincianca, umbrella tree etc ... dump or skip bin.

No-one comes get it any more and no-one mills it free either. I have been caught too many times with wood left on jobsites due to the firewood or milling man not showing up.

TreeCo · 24th February 2007, 07:37 PM

We bring it all back to the farm. We are on 21 acres and dump shit wood back in the woods, firewood on the firewood hill and wood chips in the compost pile. We compost all of our chips and right now we are sitting on a real pile of them. There is a timber lot a mile down the road and some logs we sell but not many.

Ekka · 25th February 2007, 01:38 AM

What's the shit wood over there Dan?

How about oaks, they'd be good for the mill, you get any $'s for them? Maybe considered milling yourself?

TreeCo · 25th February 2007, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

What's the shit wood over there Dan?

How about oaks, they'd be good for the mill, you get any $'s for them? Maybe considered milling yourself?

Shit wood is rotten wood, non firewood species like pine, huge chunks, ugly crotchs, etc. I have a damp spot on the edge of a thick woods that never gets sunlight. I dump the shit wood there and call it our 'slow compost pile'. It doesn't take long at all for the wood to get spongy. We also have a large bonfire every few weeks on Saturday nights and sit around and BS until all hours of the night.

The best money I get for logs is $30 per ton for plywood logs which can be poplar or pine. Must be cut to 17ft. 8inches and be at least 10inches at the small end and no limbs or defects of any kind. Not a lot of my logs make the grade due to being cut out of people's yards.

The wife has given me the go ahead to buy a mill, it's just me that is the hold up(she claims she has no influence, Ha!). I want to get a LumberMate 2000 and just may do it. Usually I talk about something a few years before making a move so thankfully lots of ideas get dropped.LOL

Notahacker · 25th February 2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TreeCo

Usually I talk about something a few years before making a move so thankfully lots of ideas get dropped.LOL

LMAO! I'm the same way!

yooper · 25th February 2007, 05:30 PM

Juat as Tree co im fortnate to own a plot of land to dump, i have 89 acres of hunting land i bought a few yrs back just 2 miles from my home, this year was my first year running my own business and we had a big...im talken big o'll bon fire the first week end of deer season which attracted quite a few local hunters ...

what a party it was, this year i dont think ill burn it during hunting season tho damm thing smolderd and smooked for 5 days, my chips i just pile up and let em rot but i do have an area of chips i grow potatos in works well ,took some advise from treeco last year on a.s. and started an area to grow different veges in chips this year. I supply an unfortinate family(whom there father got crippled in a car accident)that live down the road from me with enough firewood to heat there house in the winter and also a home that takes care of mentaly retarded adults...i do that free of charge and did befor i started my business, the rest of the fire wood goes to my two little ones which are 9 and 11 they split it all by hand and sell it to the campers in small bundals for a pretty good profit...half that money goes into a fund for college the other half they keep for them selvs they brought me on vacation last yrar to see there uncle

and it teaches them good work ethic. All my logs so far go to my buddys dad whom has a mill he saws them up and we split the wood fifty\fifty and he also pickes em up for me.

Just a Question about chip piles. I try to keep them spread out but is there a point that they may catch fire? i know that they would get pretty hot in the chipboxes on the asplundh trucks i worked with.

Sean Freeman · 25th February 2007, 07:47 PM

Steve has quite a pile of chip, and we've had a few close calls

, been lucky so far, we have to rely on help turning the chip since we don't have either a backhoe or frontend loader. Anyway here's a great little doc from up your neck of the woods yooper.

The storage of woodchips.doc

SF

TreeCo · 25th February 2007, 08:31 PM

Thanks Boa. That is great information on wood chip storage. I never get my piles much over 12ft. high and I've never had a fire......but I see it is a great concern. I had heard years ago that if piles don't get over 25ft. high they are usually safe. There was a large fire in Delaware USA some years ago at a mulch processing plant where huge piles of mulch burst into flames.

Ekka · 25th February 2007, 09:32 PM

Crikey Boa, where do you get all those docs from?

Ha, did ya read this bit.

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The maximum height of the wood pile should be 7.5 m. The OFC allows a pile height of 18 m but Factory Mutual 1 recommends that the height be limited to 7.5 m due to the inclusion of tree bark and other impurities in the wood chips. If the storage period is expected to exceed 3 months, then the overall dimensions of the pile should be decreased. In such cases, the maximum height at the peak of the pile should be 4 m and the width at the base should be no more 8 m. These piles should be limited to a maximum bulk volume of 1,000 m3 . A pile with a height of 4 m, a base width of 8 m and a volume of 1,000 m3 should have a length of 67 m. It is recommended that these piles be formed in a triangular shape with 45? side slopes.

Imagine having a pile 18m high? Need a flamin climbing expedition to get to the top. lol Plant ya flag, we claims this one!

yooper · 26th February 2007, 07:29 AM

Thanks Boa, great info. i feel alot less concerned now. i have more than enough room to keep my piles at a low hight.

TREE-SURFER · 26th February 2007, 03:52 PM

A friend of mine ,(another Surgeon) , runs a depot. at the local amenity site for mulching. Their piles are turned regular during the day by excavator and are dowsed with water. The Temp. is registered also, proper steam cooker...LOL, but have never heard of them going on fire. Max height is about 4Mtrs.
The tests for them here have E.coli and salmonella involved in them. There is also a test for a dust microbe that can cause Emphasaema like symptoms.

Brother Colin · 26th February 2007, 09:46 PM

There was a giant chap pile at a company near where i worked that caught fire. Smouldered for days. The local fire station was right next door. They visited often. The pile was turned over and watered till it went out.

a_lopa · 27th February 2007, 03:01 AM

Ive decided to up the price on my gum/hardwood chip loads to $17.50p/m ive just caught up on my mulch deliverys and really try hard marketing and delivering,its icing on the cake done right it can add around $300 a day,i have done big jobs and brought in another chipping crew and offsetted there fee with mulch sales.

TREE-SURFER · 27th February 2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Colin

There was a giant chap pile at a company near where i worked that caught fire. Smouldered for days. The local fire station was right next door. They visited often. The pile was turned over and watered till it went out.

(Pretty Ironic that it was next to a fire depot.)

I know this has got sweet FA to do with the tree world, but, Local police in Suffolk (UK), were chasing a pair of druggies through a small village. When they lost 1, they brought in the chopper coppers with heat sensing camera. They didn't find the druggie, but what they did find was a very warn house roof. When they investigated it, it was a bloke growing cannabis with the use of hydroponics; right next door to the local police station.........

Ekka · 27th February 2007, 11:39 AM

lol that's funny.

Oldtimer · 27th February 2007, 01:52 PM

There is a pile of wood (70 feet tall by 400 ft long and about 200 ft wide) and wood chips and stuff like that that "somehow" caught on fire in Central Texas near a small town of Helotes. It has been burning for over one month now. The local Environmental agency contracted a company to put it off and so far it have cost over 3 million dollars to stop the fire. Also some of the water they dumped on the fire now showed up in the nearby water wells and aquifer so they have to hire another company to build a compacted clay liner on the pit were all the water run off goes. The price tag keeps going up and the fire is still smoldering and driving people nearby insane. Keep and eye on those piles of wood!

24th February 2007, 05:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Logs,Chips and Saw-Dust What do you do with yours' ? What do the rest of us guy's (or Gals) do with it all. Good when you can leave it all for the customer. Tipping charges are going through the roof over here and no storage space in yard for it. What do you do? __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

24th February 2007, 05:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,932	Chip is always easy to get rid of. Hardwood logs I can get rid off for free but have to transport them. Crap logs like ficus, poincianca, umbrella tree etc ... dump or skip bin. No-one comes get it any more and no-one mills it free either. I have been caught too many times with wood left on jobsites due to the firewood or milling man not showing up. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

25th February 2007, 01:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,932	What's the shit wood over there Dan? How about oaks, they'd be good for the mill, you get any $'s for them? Maybe considered milling yourself? __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

26th February 2007, 03:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	A friend of mine ,(another Surgeon) , runs a depot. at the local amenity site for mulching. Their piles are turned regular during the day by excavator and are dowsed with water. The Temp. is registered also, proper steam cooker...LOL, but have never heard of them going on fire. Max height is about 4Mtrs. The tests for them here have E.coli and salmonella involved in them. There is also a test for a dust microbe that can cause Emphasaema like symptoms. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

26th February 2007, 09:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
Brother Colin Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 48	There was a giant chap pile at a company near where i worked that caught fire. Smouldered for days. The local fire station was right next door. They visited often. The pile was turned over and watered till it went out. __________________ A new site for digital madia storage goto : http://brothercolin.pictureyourbusiness.com/

24th February 2007, 07:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 259	We bring it all back to the farm. We are on 21 acres and dump shit wood back in the woods, firewood on the firewood hill and wood chips in the compost pile. We compost all of our chips and right now we are sitting on a real pile of them. There is a timber lot a mile down the road and some logs we sell but not many.

25th February 2007, 05:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
yooper Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Upper Michigan U.S.A. Posts: 73	Juat as Tree co im fortnate to own a plot of land to dump, i have 89 acres of hunting land i bought a few yrs back just 2 miles from my home, this year was my first year running my own business and we had a big...im talken big o'll bon fire the first week end of deer season which attracted quite a few local hunters ... what a party it was, this year i dont think ill burn it during hunting season tho damm thing smolderd and smooked for 5 days, my chips i just pile up and let em rot but i do have an area of chips i grow potatos in works well ,took some advise from treeco last year on a.s. and started an area to grow different veges in chips this year. I supply an unfortinate family(whom there father got crippled in a car accident)that live down the road from me with enough firewood to heat there house in the winter and also a home that takes care of mentaly retarded adults...i do that free of charge and did befor i started my business, the rest of the fire wood goes to my two little ones which are 9 and 11 they split it all by hand and sell it to the campers in small bundals for a pretty good profit...half that money goes into a fund for college the other half they keep for them selvs they brought me on vacation last yrar to see there uncle and it teaches them good work ethic. All my logs so far go to my buddys dad whom has a mill he saws them up and we split the wood fifty\fifty and he also pickes em up for me. Just a Question about chip piles. I try to keep them spread out but is there a point that they may catch fire? i know that they would get pretty hot in the chipboxes on the asplundh trucks i worked with.

25th February 2007, 07:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Steve has quite a pile of chip, and we've had a few close calls , been lucky so far, we have to rely on help turning the chip since we don't have either a backhoe or frontend loader. Anyway here's a great little doc from up your neck of the woods yooper. The storage of woodchips.doc SF

25th February 2007, 08:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 259	Thanks Boa. That is great information on wood chip storage. I never get my piles much over 12ft. high and I've never had a fire......but I see it is a great concern. I had heard years ago that if piles don't get over 25ft. high they are usually safe. There was a large fire in Delaware USA some years ago at a mulch processing plant where huge piles of mulch burst into flames.

26th February 2007, 07:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
yooper Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Upper Michigan U.S.A. Posts: 73	Thanks Boa, great info. i feel alot less concerned now. i have more than enough room to keep my piles at a low hight.

27th February 2007, 03:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 877	Ive decided to up the price on my gum/hardwood chip loads to $17.50p/m ive just caught up on my mulch deliverys and really try hard marketing and delivering,its icing on the cake done right it can add around $300 a day,i have done big jobs and brought in another chipping crew and offsetted there fee with mulch sales. __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

27th February 2007, 11:39 AM	#16 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,932	lol that's funny. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

27th February 2007, 01:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
Oldtimer Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin TX Posts: 64	There is a pile of wood (70 feet tall by 400 ft long and about 200 ft wide) and wood chips and stuff like that that "somehow" caught on fire in Central Texas near a small town of Helotes. It has been burning for over one month now. The local Environmental agency contracted a company to put it off and so far it have cost over 3 million dollars to stop the fire. Also some of the water they dumped on the fire now showed up in the nearby water wells and aquifer so they have to hire another company to build a compacted clay liner on the pit were all the water run off goes. The price tag keeps going up and the fire is still smoldering and driving people nearby insane. Keep and eye on those piles of wood!