Important knots

Anton · 27th January 2007, 11:21 PM

What are the most important knots I will need to know for tree surgery?

I know the bowline and reef knot.

treesandsurf · 29th January 2007, 02:49 PM

Anton, please read my post in chainsaws and climbing forum (I think the name?)

Anyway, get that book tree climber's companion, or check this site out

http://secure.isa-arbor.com/store/In...CD-P233C0.aspx

You can demo all the different chapters, better yet buy the darned thing and lot more! Go to www.????????.com and read ALL (or as many) forums on there you can and study study study.

hint: you can do a LOT with a bowline and a clove, but try and learn em all.

Good luck

jp

Iorek · 29th January 2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Anton

What are the most important knots I will need to know for tree surgery?

I know the bowline and reef knot.

I think you were right that he is a troll, he says in his personal information that his hobbies are caving and rockclimbing. I know that these guys know every knot under the sun.

So as I use many rock and movie forums it is easy to know a troll like this makes basic mistakes.

Many trolls are deceptive, but they get excited at times and the guard drops to reveal a person who likes everybody to notice them.

Well this is the case on swedish forums

Brother Colin · 2nd February 2007, 11:06 AM

If he is a climber he should know the fig 8, clove hitch and a couple of others.

These are the basics.

OTG BOSTON · 3rd February 2007, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Iorek

I think you were right that he is a troll, he says in his personal information that his hobbies are caving and rockclimbing. I know that these guys know every knot under the sun.

So as I use many rock and movie forums it is easy to know a troll like this makes basic mistakes.

Many trolls are deceptive, but they get excited at times and the guard drops to reveal a person who likes everybody to notice them.

Well this is the case on swedish forums

Awful bold to be callin' someout out so soon............................

Eric Frei · 3rd February 2007, 09:28 AM

Boston, I think I called him out early in the piece as there was a barrage of about 20 posts, then his email address was a dodgy or something.

So he came back as a second Anton, registered at other forums etc .... then he emailed me to let him back on and said he was genuine and would behave. We've done that so now it's up to Anton. Alls good now but at the time it was a little different.

Sean Freeman · 3rd February 2007, 09:41 AM

Anton, you've recieved a heap of good advice esp getting yourself the book The Tree Climbers Companion by Jeff Jepson

also getting onto ???????? forum, you should also try http://tree-tech.com/eve/ubb.x?cdra=Y&s=508606541 the knothole forums you have some of the best UK tree climbers on that one.

Hoping you are legit and not a troll. If your base is Warickshire then David Lonsdale is just up the road from you get along to one of his seminars.

Ultimately there is no short cut to experience, dragging brush for months under some of the best climbers I've seen taught me more than any book or email. Climbing comps are fun to watch and the guys are all (IME) super helpful and willing to spends ages explaining how and why and why not.

SF

Drouin Tree Service · 4th February 2007, 01:42 AM

I wish my ground guys would learn the bowline on a bight.

Ive given up on showing them, and if its a dicey situation i dont trust them anyway!!!

grover · 5th February 2007, 06:03 PM

Bowline, Prussik, Running bowline, Timber hitch, Munter, and a Marl or 2.... What Else you need? More can be More, not better.

TreeCo · 5th February 2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by grover

Bowline, Prussik, Running bowline, Timber hitch, Munter, and a Marl or 2.... What Else you need? More can be More, not better.

I need those plus the Vt, scaffold knot, anchor hitch and cow hitch. For mid line attachments for pulleys, etc. I need a mid line knot, usually the butterfly.

Less can be less, not better.

Eric Frei · 5th February 2007, 06:32 PM

I use these all the time.

Bowline (running, on a bite, static), figure 8, double fisherman's, Blakes hitch, cow hitch, timber hitch, prussik, clove hitch, half hitch, truckies hitch, marlin spike, girth hitch, butterfly and zeppelin! No crap, all the time.

PS: I ditched the sheetbend for the zepplin.

Brother Colin · 5th February 2007, 11:49 PM

All knots, as well as all things, have their pros and cons.

If you know lots of knots and their pros and cons you can choose THE correct knot for the occasion.

jim1nz · 6th February 2007, 05:49 PM

Yea nice one Colin, just like you should use the correct tool for the job at hand, you should know the correct knot for the situation at hand.

chris girard · 20th February 2007, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by boa07

Anton, you've recieved a heap of good advice esp getting yourself the book The Tree Climbers Companion by Jeff Jepson

SF

I would definitely agree. This little book first taught me all the knots that I needed to get started in tree work.

Jeff is the author of the book, but one guy who I think does not get enough credit is his illustrator Bryan Kotwica. His pictures of how to tie the knots is really what makes the difference between this book and other knot books.

Eric Frei · 20th February 2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chris girard

I would definitely agree. This little book first taught me all the knots that I needed to get started in tree work.

Jeff is the author of the book, but one guy who I think does not get enough credit is his illustrator Bryan Kotwica. His pictures of how to tie the knots is really what makes the difference between this book and other knot books.

You know, Tom Dunlap's in that book ... well, Bryan's cartoon of him anyway.

chris girard · 20th February 2007, 07:44 AM

I did not know that. Which drawing is he in. Is he the guy using the petzel Stop on page 65?

Eric Frei · 20th February 2007, 07:51 AM

Yeah, and at the bottom of page 15 he gets a mention of suitcases for storage of ropes.

Iorek · 20th February 2007, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grover

Bowline, Prussik, Running bowline, Timber hitch, Munter, and a Marl or 2.... What Else you need? More can be More, not better.

Ha Ha ha, thats a good one! I've seen your posts on ????????, you see yourself as some kind of new world arborist philosopher? In Sweden we would call you a wierd one for sure.

Your knots are limiting your ability to do a better job my friend, try Bowline, Bowline on a bight, RunningBow, VT, Swabisch, Distel, Blakes, Zeppelin, Sheet bend, quick hitch, clove hitch, marlin spike, even sheep shank, cow hitch, timber hitch, Alpine butterfly, icicle, thats all you need grover!

I'm surprised a safety expert like you not knowing these.

Drouin Tree Service · 20th February 2007, 10:40 PM

Your still around Iorek...or should i call you ######????

alba · 22nd April 2007, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton

What are the most important knots I will need to know for tree surgery?

I know the bowline and reef knot.

If your truly serious anton then listen to these guys, other books you may consider are A guild to good climbing practice from the arboricultural association, i would also suggest enroling into a reputable training collage such as www.myerscough.ac.uk this college in england has one of the best reputations in the country also you should think of attending the arboricultural shows in the uk its being held some where in gloustershire this year i think but maybe some one here from the uk can help with the venue but its definitly in england.

Tim Craig · 23rd April 2007, 10:16 AM

alba, where are you based in Scotland?

alba · 24th April 2007, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Craig

alba, where are you based in Scotland?

fit likky min i am based in aberdeen

Tim Craig · 24th April 2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by alba

fit likky min

Fine thanks,

Hope every thing is good in treework up there in Aberdeen.

Check your private msgs

alba · 24th April 2007, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Craig

Fine thanks,

Hope every thing is good in treework up there in Aberdeen.

Check your private msgs

checked the msg tim thax's hope you got the reply, what time are you normaly on.

Eric Frei · 24th April 2007, 10:04 AM

Heading toward summer for you guys now, weather getting better and busier.

I seem to have this mental image of Scotland not having many trees, rolling green hills, rocks and farms ... I must be wrong.

You guys will have to stick some pics up of what it's like in suburbia.

Tim Craig · 24th April 2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Heading toward summer for you guys now, weather getting better and busier.

I seem to have this mental image of Scotland not having many trees, rolling green hills, rocks and farms ... I must be wrong.

You guys will have to stick some pics up of what it's like in suburbia.

Yeah all the trees are nearly in full leaf where I am apart from Fraxinus(Ash) Quercus(Oak) and Tilia(Lime).
Cherry trees are in full bloom, azaleas are fowering as well.

Much of Scotland is as you desribe Ekka, there are many trees in the cities though and in pockets around the country. Large Victorian collections scattered about the whole country with some awesome trees.

Eric Frei · 24th April 2007, 09:55 PM

Lopa would, he's there, I have vids of rainforests though.

Dark at 3.30pm

alba · 25th April 2007, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Heading toward summer for you guys now, weather getting better and busier.

I seem to have this mental image of Scotland not having many trees, rolling green hills, rocks and farms ... I must be wrong.

You guys will have to stick some pics up of what it's like in suburbia.

hi ekka will try and remember to get some picsbeen rain up here for the last couple of days but finaly we have some sun, will get some pics of some local cowboy tree jobs i have to warn you thow you may cry, oh yes i to only splice three stand so far.

Eric Frei · 25th April 2007, 11:21 AM

It's a global phenomena, tree hacking, time to make a stand!

JohN Dee · 25th April 2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Heading toward summer for you guys now, weather getting better and busier.

I seem to have this mental image of Scotland not having many trees, rolling green hills, rocks and farms ... I must be wrong.

You guys will have to stick some pics up of what it's like in suburbia.

Ekka you can blame your mental image on Brave Heart I'm betting

.

But yeah, do please post some pictures of suburbia and your forestlands aswell.

Getting back on topic.

Every treeworker should atleast know the bowline and for basics in lowering the clove hitch.

Myself personally know the Bowline family (Yosemite bite off is my fave), Blakes hitch, The Michogan' Hitch, Distel, Figure 8, Clove hitch, half hitch, girth hitch, double fishermens and the good ole' Sheetbend.

27th January 2007, 11:21 PM	#1
Anton Former Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warwick, England Posts: 9	Important knots What are the most important knots I will need to know for tree surgery? I know the bowline and reef knot.

3rd February 2007, 09:28 AM	#6
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Boston, I think I called him out early in the piece as there was a barrage of about 20 posts, then his email address was a dodgy or something. So he came back as a second Anton, registered at other forums etc .... then he emailed me to let him back on and said he was genuine and would behave. We've done that so now it's up to Anton. Alls good now but at the time it was a little different. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

4th February 2007, 01:42 AM	#8
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	I wish my ground guys would learn the bowline on a bight. Ive given up on showing them, and if its a dicey situation i dont trust them anyway!!! __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

5th February 2007, 06:32 PM	#11
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	I use these all the time. Bowline (running, on a bite, static), figure 8, double fisherman's, Blakes hitch, cow hitch, timber hitch, prussik, clove hitch, half hitch, truckies hitch, marlin spike, girth hitch, butterfly and zeppelin! No crap, all the time. PS: I ditched the sheetbend for the zepplin. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

6th February 2007, 05:49 PM	#13
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: International, Germany Posts: 476	Yea nice one Colin, just like you should use the correct tool for the job at hand, you should know the correct knot for the situation at hand. __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

29th January 2007, 02:49 PM	#2
treesandsurf Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 25	Anton, please read my post in chainsaws and climbing forum (I think the name?) Anyway, get that book tree climber's companion, or check this site out http://secure.isa-arbor.com/store/In...CD-P233C0.aspx You can demo all the different chapters, better yet buy the darned thing and lot more! Go to www.????????.com and read ALL (or as many) forums on there you can and study study study. hint: you can do a LOT with a bowline and a clove, but try and learn em all. Good luck jp

2nd February 2007, 11:06 AM	#4
Brother Colin Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 40	If he is a climber he should know the fig 8, clove hitch and a couple of others. These are the basics.

3rd February 2007, 09:41 AM	#7
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Anton, you've recieved a heap of good advice esp getting yourself the book The Tree Climbers Companion by Jeff Jepson also getting onto ???????? forum, you should also try http://tree-tech.com/eve/ubb.x?cdra=Y&s=508606541 the knothole forums you have some of the best UK tree climbers on that one. Hoping you are legit and not a troll. If your base is Warickshire then David Lonsdale is just up the road from you get along to one of his seminars. Ultimately there is no short cut to experience, dragging brush for months under some of the best climbers I've seen taught me more than any book or email. Climbing comps are fun to watch and the guys are all (IME) super helpful and willing to spends ages explaining how and why and why not. SF

5th February 2007, 06:03 PM	#9
grover Former Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1	Bowline, Prussik, Running bowline, Timber hitch, Munter, and a Marl or 2.... What Else you need? More can be More, not better.

5th February 2007, 11:49 PM	#12
Brother Colin Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 40	All knots, as well as all things, have their pros and cons. If you know lots of knots and their pros and cons you can choose THE correct knot for the occasion.

20th February 2007, 07:44 AM	#16
chris girard Sappling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gilmanton, N.H. USA Posts: 8	I did not know that. Which drawing is he in. Is he the guy using the petzel Stop on page 65?

20th February 2007, 07:51 AM	#17
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Yeah, and at the bottom of page 15 he gets a mention of suitcases for storage of ropes. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

20th February 2007, 10:40 PM	#19
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	Your still around Iorek...or should i call you ######???? __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

23rd April 2007, 10:16 AM	#21
Tim Craig Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 132	alba, where are you based in Scotland?

24th April 2007, 10:04 AM	#25
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Heading toward summer for you guys now, weather getting better and busier. I seem to have this mental image of Scotland not having many trees, rolling green hills, rocks and farms ... I must be wrong. You guys will have to stick some pics up of what it's like in suburbia. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

24th April 2007, 09:55 PM	#27
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Lopa would, he's there, I have vids of rainforests though. Dark at 3.30pm __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

25th April 2007, 11:21 AM	#29
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	It's a global phenomena, tree hacking, time to make a stand! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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