Important knots

Anton · 27th January 2007, 04:21 AM

What are the most important knots I will need to know for tree surgery?

I know the bowline and reef knot.

treesandsurf · 28th January 2007, 07:49 PM

Anton, please read my post in chainsaws and climbing forum (I think the name?)

Anyway, get that book tree climber's companion, or check this site out

http://secure.isa-arbor.com/store/In...CD-P233C0.aspx

You can demo all the different chapters, better yet buy the darned thing and lot more! Go to www.????????.com and read ALL (or as many) forums on there you can and study study study.

hint: you can do a LOT with a bowline and a clove, but try and learn em all.

Good luck

jp

Iorek · 29th January 2007, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Anton

What are the most important knots I will need to know for tree surgery?

I know the bowline and reef knot.

I think you were right that he is a troll, he says in his personal information that his hobbies are caving and rockclimbing. I know that these guys know every knot under the sun.

So as I use many rock and movie forums it is easy to know a troll like this makes basic mistakes.

Many trolls are deceptive, but they get excited at times and the guard drops to reveal a person who likes everybody to notice them.

Well this is the case on swedish forums

Brother Colin · 1st February 2007, 04:06 PM

If he is a climber he should know the fig 8, clove hitch and a couple of others.

These are the basics.

OTG BOSTON · 2nd February 2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Iorek

I think you were right that he is a troll, he says in his personal information that his hobbies are caving and rockclimbing. I know that these guys know every knot under the sun.

So as I use many rock and movie forums it is easy to know a troll like this makes basic mistakes.

Many trolls are deceptive, but they get excited at times and the guard drops to reveal a person who likes everybody to notice them.

Well this is the case on swedish forums

Awful bold to be callin' someout out so soon............................

Ekka · 2nd February 2007, 02:28 PM

Boston, I think I called him out early in the piece as there was a barrage of about 20 posts, then his email address was a dodgy or something.

So he came back as a second Anton, registered at other forums etc .... then he emailed me to let him back on and said he was genuine and would behave. We've done that so now it's up to Anton. Alls good now but at the time it was a little different.

Sean Freeman · 2nd February 2007, 02:41 PM

Anton, you've recieved a heap of good advice esp getting yourself the book The Tree Climbers Companion by Jeff Jepson

also getting onto ???????? forum, you should also try http://tree-tech.com/eve/ubb.x?cdra=Y&s=508606541 the knothole forums you have some of the best UK tree climbers on that one.

Hoping you are legit and not a troll. If your base is Warickshire then David Lonsdale is just up the road from you get along to one of his seminars.

Ultimately there is no short cut to experience, dragging brush for months under some of the best climbers I've seen taught me more than any book or email. Climbing comps are fun to watch and the guys are all (IME) super helpful and willing to spends ages explaining how and why and why not.

SF

a_lopa · 3rd February 2007, 06:42 AM

I wish my ground guys would learn the bowline on a bight.

Ive given up on showing them, and if its a dicey situation i dont trust them anyway!!!

grover · 4th February 2007, 11:03 PM

Bowline, Prussik, Running bowline, Timber hitch, Munter, and a Marl or 2.... What Else you need? More can be More, not better.

TreeCo · 4th February 2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by grover

Bowline, Prussik, Running bowline, Timber hitch, Munter, and a Marl or 2.... What Else you need? More can be More, not better.

I need those plus the Vt, scaffold knot, anchor hitch and cow hitch. For mid line attachments for pulleys, etc. I need a mid line knot, usually the butterfly.

Less can be less, not better.

Ekka · 4th February 2007, 11:32 PM

I use these all the time.

Bowline (running, on a bite, static), figure 8, double fisherman's, Blakes hitch, cow hitch, timber hitch, prussik, clove hitch, half hitch, truckies hitch, marlin spike, girth hitch, butterfly and zeppelin! No crap, all the time.

PS: I ditched the sheetbend for the zepplin.

Brother Colin · 5th February 2007, 04:49 AM

All knots, as well as all things, have their pros and cons.

If you know lots of knots and their pros and cons you can choose THE correct knot for the occasion.

jim1nz · 5th February 2007, 10:49 PM

Yea nice one Colin, just like you should use the correct tool for the job at hand, you should know the correct knot for the situation at hand.

chris girard · 19th February 2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by boa07

Anton, you've recieved a heap of good advice esp getting yourself the book The Tree Climbers Companion by Jeff Jepson

SF

I would definitely agree. This little book first taught me all the knots that I needed to get started in tree work.

Jeff is the author of the book, but one guy who I think does not get enough credit is his illustrator Bryan Kotwica. His pictures of how to tie the knots is really what makes the difference between this book and other knot books.

Ekka · 19th February 2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chris girard

I would definitely agree. This little book first taught me all the knots that I needed to get started in tree work.

Jeff is the author of the book, but one guy who I think does not get enough credit is his illustrator Bryan Kotwica. His pictures of how to tie the knots is really what makes the difference between this book and other knot books.

You know, Tom Dunlap's in that book ... well, Bryan's cartoon of him anyway.

chris girard · 19th February 2007, 12:44 PM

I did not know that. Which drawing is he in. Is he the guy using the petzel Stop on page 65?

Ekka · 19th February 2007, 12:51 PM

Yeah, and at the bottom of page 15 he gets a mention of suitcases for storage of ropes.

Iorek · 19th February 2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by grover

Bowline, Prussik, Running bowline, Timber hitch, Munter, and a Marl or 2.... What Else you need? More can be More, not better.

Ha Ha ha, thats a good one! I've seen your posts on ????????, you see yourself as some kind of new world arborist philosopher? In Sweden we would call you a wierd one for sure.

Your knots are limiting your ability to do a better job my friend, try Bowline, Bowline on a bight, RunningBow, VT, Swabisch, Distel, Blakes, Zeppelin, Sheet bend, quick hitch, clove hitch, marlin spike, even sheep shank, cow hitch, timber hitch, Alpine butterfly, icicle, thats all you need grover!

I'm surprised a safety expert like you not knowing these.

27th January 2007, 04:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
Anton Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warwick, England Posts: 12	Important knots What are the most important knots I will need to know for tree surgery? I know the bowline and reef knot.

2nd February 2007, 02:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Boston, I think I called him out early in the piece as there was a barrage of about 20 posts, then his email address was a dodgy or something. So he came back as a second Anton, registered at other forums etc .... then he emailed me to let him back on and said he was genuine and would behave. We've done that so now it's up to Anton. Alls good now but at the time it was a little different. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

3rd February 2007, 06:42 AM	#8 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 877	I wish my ground guys would learn the bowline on a bight. Ive given up on showing them, and if its a dicey situation i dont trust them anyway!!! __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

4th February 2007, 11:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	I use these all the time. Bowline (running, on a bite, static), figure 8, double fisherman's, Blakes hitch, cow hitch, timber hitch, prussik, clove hitch, half hitch, truckies hitch, marlin spike, girth hitch, butterfly and zeppelin! No crap, all the time. PS: I ditched the sheetbend for the zepplin. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

5th February 2007, 10:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	Yea nice one Colin, just like you should use the correct tool for the job at hand, you should know the correct knot for the situation at hand. __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

28th January 2007, 07:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
treesandsurf Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oahu, Hawai'i Posts: 6	Anton, please read my post in chainsaws and climbing forum (I think the name?) Anyway, get that book tree climber's companion, or check this site out http://secure.isa-arbor.com/store/In...CD-P233C0.aspx You can demo all the different chapters, better yet buy the darned thing and lot more! Go to www.????????.com and read ALL (or as many) forums on there you can and study study study. hint: you can do a LOT with a bowline and a clove, but try and learn em all. Good luck jp

1st February 2007, 04:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Brother Colin Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 48	If he is a climber he should know the fig 8, clove hitch and a couple of others. These are the basics.

2nd February 2007, 02:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Anton, you've recieved a heap of good advice esp getting yourself the book The Tree Climbers Companion by Jeff Jepson also getting onto ???????? forum, you should also try http://tree-tech.com/eve/ubb.x?cdra=Y&s=508606541 the knothole forums you have some of the best UK tree climbers on that one. Hoping you are legit and not a troll. If your base is Warickshire then David Lonsdale is just up the road from you get along to one of his seminars. Ultimately there is no short cut to experience, dragging brush for months under some of the best climbers I've seen taught me more than any book or email. Climbing comps are fun to watch and the guys are all (IME) super helpful and willing to spends ages explaining how and why and why not. SF

4th February 2007, 11:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
grover Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1	Bowline, Prussik, Running bowline, Timber hitch, Munter, and a Marl or 2.... What Else you need? More can be More, not better.

5th February 2007, 04:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
Brother Colin Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 48	All knots, as well as all things, have their pros and cons. If you know lots of knots and their pros and cons you can choose THE correct knot for the occasion.

19th February 2007, 12:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
chris girard Sappling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gilmanton, N.H. USA Posts: 9	I did not know that. Which drawing is he in. Is he the guy using the petzel Stop on page 65?

19th February 2007, 12:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Yeah, and at the bottom of page 15 he gets a mention of suitcases for storage of ropes. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors