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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: my house.
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I've been to busy to post this but I hope this reminds someone else how important that second tie in is on removals.I was taking a small tree down maybe 45' tall about 12" base diameter went smooth went up limbed it out and cut a notch in the top hooked the line so my dad could pull the top over.The top went over smooth as could be but I left the saw at a fast idle by my only tie in and cut it 3/4 the way through.I figured that I could make it down to the ground on it.I leaned into it to get past a stub and it snapped so at 20' up my dad had to throw my climbing line up to me so I could tie in and come down to fell the pole.I got lucky and I will NEVER go up without two tie ins again.I hope whoever reads this wether vets or newbies like me will learn that it only takes a second for an accident to happen I just happened to thrust myself towards the trunk and grab the pole with my hands.
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| Sappling Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sacramento California
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I used to be cheap and would not buy a flipline with a cable core. I was chunking out a white pine at about 40 feet. Almost threw my climbing rope as I didn't think I needed it anymore. I usually tied in twice but I figured I was only chunking out. I took a chunk of tree and 75 percent of my flipline. I got lucky and was able to lean forward and save my but. Yeah use a cable flipline and always double tie. No tree job is worth your life!!
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: my house.
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Welcome to tree world treesailor.The tree I was in was a water oak.
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| Mature tree Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia
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Everytime i make a cut with only 1 tie in, it feels like i'm driving a car with with no seatbelt! ![]() Two tie ins = more chance of coming home alive!
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: my house.
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I under stand what you are saying but my truck doesn't have seatbelts. |
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| I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hong kong
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| Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney
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I have a wirecore flipline that i nicked about 15yrs ago. It sits on the wall in the shed where I see it every day....and reminds me every day about how careful we must be. I not ashamed to tell the tale when people ask, and how not to scrooge on money when it comes to safety. Hi Franz, I agree with turning off the saw. It can be a PITA but I've gotten into the habit of turning off as soon at the cut is made. Makes communication easier too. |
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: my house.
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| Welcome to tree world franz nel i don't understand your question but i was tied with a non steel core flipline set with a double wrap.as for shuttting down the saw i didn't think about it.
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| Sappling Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden
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| Climbing safe is climbing double! Problems with my boss in the past about this. Takes too much time he thinks, I don't put a foot in the tree of my ladder without a rope around something. Seen a guy in the Netherlands falling down ending up in a wheelchair. I complie with ... that I always turn of my chainsaw as soon as the cut is ready. Being an arborist is not only climbing, it is using your head as well. Even when it is filled with sawdust. |
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| Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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Darned ladders, I fell off one too!
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: my house.
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You use a ladder?don't you know how to rope climb?
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| Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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Years ago, I used to use them to clean palms and not spike them ... now I come first screw the palms.
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: my house.
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I know what you mean when the get more than 15' tall its just a matter of time till the come down.
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| Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney
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I think everyone has to have a bad experience with a ladder to realise that climbing is the way to go.
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: my house.
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Yeah I had 2.The first was when i was 10 and deathly afaraid of heights my dad and I were doing a siding job on his aunt's house and he sent me 4 stories up a ladder that was already on top of thier porch to get his snips and I made that mistake of looking down while the wind was blowing.The second was 3 years ago i was climbing one to set a pull line in a tree so my uncle's friend could pull it with a tractor and my uncle waited until I got halfway up the ladder knowing I hated the things and he shook the chit out of the ladder so I grabbed ahold of a vine to keep from going over.nowadays i won't be caught dead on a ladder higher than 10'.
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| Tree World Ninja Monkey Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca
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Hold up.... When I was only using 1" tubular webbing as my positioning and safety straps, I was always extremely cautious. Once I got my first steel-cored flipline, I think I began to feel a little over-confident. (which is bad, and dangerous). One day i nicked the rope-sheathing on my steel-core flipline, and it um... "spliffed" the rope part. (spliffed is a very technical term, im sure you all know.... the rope "puffs" up) ![]() So, noticing that the steel hadn't been touched at all, I just took some electrical tape and wrapped it around the poofed part of the rope sheath and called it good. Granted, it looks a little odd. You're telling me that this ISNT SAFE????? ![]() Okay, seriously though.... can I get by on it, as long as I'm using a second tie in, or does it HAVE to be retired? |
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| Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia
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I would retire it personally...for a few hundred $$$
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| Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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Therrin Lets run along with this theory. The cable is inside the rope. If the rope were cut all the way around but the steel core stayed in tact ... would it be possible that the rope would just slide along the core and you'd be a goner? I think when we "skin" electrical wires the same principal applies.
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| Tree World Ninja Monkey Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca
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it didnt cut the rope all the way around. When I get my new camera I'll take pictures, I think its actually kinda iffy. (I'm a college student, a couple hundred $$$ makes a big difference to me, not that I'm not worried about my safety, but until I have a buffer that I can fit that expense into, I try to over-compensate to make up for it) |
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| Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne
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I have two motto that i go by, for trees and gear! IN DOUBT CUT OUT (trees) IN DOUBT THROW OUT (gear) Forget about you should have done this ,done that ,it will be to late by then .At the end of the day we all like to go home alive You can learn by other peoples mistakes as well as your own No need to say anymore..........the end.
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| PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland
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One of the most memorable moments relating to gear was to watch Adam Tom cut up different guy's gear during a safety inspection, the look on their faces when their lanyards and even harnesses get cut up!!! Don't hang onto any life support gear you have nicked with a saw.
__________________ Sean ![]() Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran |
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: england
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in Aus does your kit need to be inspected by a certified competent person? or is your own visual inspection good enough?
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| PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland
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To satisfy OH&S you need to document your inspections and have clear criteria about what you are looking for/at. This cutting up of gear happened at an TCC as part of the gear checking process before competition can't remember which one though.
__________________ Sean ![]() Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran |
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| Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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Therrin, I know you didn't cut it all the way around however I was making sure you and others knew what could happen if it were. People think coz there's wire in there that she'll be right, and assume that the rope is decoration but the prussik/adjuster grips the rope and pulls the sheath. I write these things here as for every person who posts or discusses the situation there's many times more who read and lurk.
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| Moderator - Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney
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I agree, If it's ify, retire it, I inspect our climbing gear before and after our climbs, anything that's a bit sus I retire or down grade,such as climbing rope goes to tag line use,..etc...etc. But hey it your butt in your gear not mine, the final call is your's!
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