I got a scare 2 weeks ago

newguy18 · 2nd November 2007, 06:01 PM

I've been to busy to post this but I hope this reminds someone else how important that second tie in is on removals.I was taking a small tree down maybe 45' tall about 12" base diameter went smooth went up limbed it out and cut a notch in the top hooked the line so my dad could pull the top over.The top went over smooth as could be but I left the saw at a fast idle by my only tie in and cut it 3/4 the way through.I figured that I could make it down to the ground on it.I leaned into it to get past a stub and it snapped so at 20' up my dad had to throw my climbing line up to me so I could tie in and come down to fell the pole.I got lucky and I will NEVER go up without two tie ins again.I hope whoever reads this wether vets or newbies like me will learn that it only takes a second for an accident to happen I just happened to thrust myself towards the trunk and grab the pole with my hands.

treesailor · 2nd November 2007, 07:51 PM

I used to be cheap and would not buy a flipline with a cable core. I was chunking out a white pine at about 40 feet. Almost threw my climbing rope as I didn't think I needed it anymore. I usually tied in twice but I figured I was only chunking out. I took a chunk of tree and 75 percent of my flipline. I got lucky and was able to lean forward and save my but. Yeah use a cable flipline and always double tie. No tree job is worth your life!!

newguy18 · 2nd November 2007, 08:12 PM

Welcome to tree world treesailor.The tree I was in was a water oak.

playfordtree · 3rd November 2007, 05:45 AM

Everytime i make a cut with only 1 tie in,
it feels like i'm driving a car with with no seatbelt!

Two tie ins = more chance of coming home alive!

newguy18 · 3rd November 2007, 08:56 AM

I under stand what you are saying but my truck doesn't have seatbelts.

franz nel · 13th November 2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

I've been to busy to post this but I hope this reminds someone else how important that second tie in is on removals.I was taking a small tree down maybe 45' tall about 12" base diameter went smooth went up limbed it out and cut a notch in the top hooked the line so my dad could pull the top over.The top went over smooth as could be but I left the saw at a fast idle by my only tie in and cut it 3/4 the way through.I figured that I could make it down to the ground on it.I leaned into it to get past a stub and it snapped so at 20' up my dad had to throw my climbing line up to me so I could tie in and come down to fell the pole.I got lucky and I will NEVER go up without two tie ins again.I hope whoever reads this wether vets or newbies like me will learn that it only takes a second for an accident to happen I just happened to thrust myself towards the trunk and grab the pole with my hands.

how about switching off the saw after each stage of the operation. Wastes time but saves ....? Were you tied in fronyt middle or back. I don't want to preach I just wnt to live longer thanks for sharing your experience

shaggs · 13th November 2007, 04:37 PM

I have a wirecore flipline that i nicked about 15yrs ago. It sits on the wall in the shed where I see it every day....and reminds me every day about how careful we must be. I not ashamed to tell the tale when people ask, and how not to scrooge on money when it comes to safety.
Hi Franz, I agree with turning off the saw. It can be a PITA but I've gotten into the habit of turning off as soon at the cut is made. Makes communication easier too.

newguy18 · 13th November 2007, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by franz nel

how about switching off the saw after each stage of the operation. Wastes time but saves ....? Were you tied in fronyt middle or back. I don't want to preach I just wnt to live longer thanks for sharing your experience

Welcome to tree world franz nel i don't understand your question but i was tied with a non steel core flipline set with a double wrap.as for shuttting down the saw i didn't think about it.

Houthakker · 15th November 2007, 01:44 PM

Climbing safe is climbing double! Problems with my boss in the past about this. Takes too much time he thinks, I don't put a foot in the tree of my ladder without a rope around something. Seen a guy in the Netherlands falling down ending up in a wheelchair. I complie with ... that I always turn of my chainsaw as soon as the cut is ready. Being an arborist is not only climbing, it is using your head as well. Even when it is filled with sawdust.

Ekka · 15th November 2007, 03:18 PM

Darned ladders, I fell off one too!

newguy18 · 15th November 2007, 03:21 PM

You use a ladder?don't you know how to rope climb?

Ekka · 15th November 2007, 03:45 PM

Years ago, I used to use them to clean palms and not spike them ... now I come first screw the palms.

newguy18 · 15th November 2007, 07:16 PM

I know what you mean when the get more than 15' tall its just a matter of time till the come down.

shaggs · 15th November 2007, 08:05 PM

I think everyone has to have a bad experience with a ladder to realise that climbing is the way to go.

newguy18 · 15th November 2007, 08:30 PM

Yeah I had 2.The first was when i was 10 and deathly afaraid of heights my dad and I were doing a siding job on his aunt's house and he sent me 4 stories up a ladder that was already on top of thier porch to get his snips and I made that mistake of looking down while the wind was blowing.The second was 3 years ago i was climbing one to set a pull line in a tree so my uncle's friend could pull it with a tractor and my uncle waited until I got halfway up the ladder knowing I hated the things and he shook the chit out of the ladder so I grabbed ahold of a vine to keep from going over.nowadays i won't be caught dead on a ladder higher than 10'.

Therrin · 18th November 2007, 10:16 PM

Hold up....

When I was only using 1" tubular webbing as my positioning and safety straps, I was always extremely cautious. Once I got my first steel-cored flipline, I think I began to feel a little over-confident. (which is bad, and dangerous).

One day i nicked the rope-sheathing on my steel-core flipline, and it um... "spliffed" the rope part. (spliffed is a very technical term, im sure you all know.... the rope "puffs" up)

So, noticing that the steel hadn't been touched at all, I just took some electrical tape and wrapped it around the poofed part of the rope sheath and called it good. Granted, it looks a little odd.

You're telling me that this ISNT SAFE?????

Okay, seriously though.... can I get by on it, as long as I'm using a second tie in, or does it HAVE to be retired?

2nd November 2007, 06:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,740	I got a scare 2 weeks ago I've been to busy to post this but I hope this reminds someone else how important that second tie in is on removals.I was taking a small tree down maybe 45' tall about 12" base diameter went smooth went up limbed it out and cut a notch in the top hooked the line so my dad could pull the top over.The top went over smooth as could be but I left the saw at a fast idle by my only tie in and cut it 3/4 the way through.I figured that I could make it down to the ground on it.I leaned into it to get past a stub and it snapped so at 20' up my dad had to throw my climbing line up to me so I could tie in and come down to fell the pole.I got lucky and I will NEVER go up without two tie ins again.I hope whoever reads this wether vets or newbies like me will learn that it only takes a second for an accident to happen I just happened to thrust myself towards the trunk and grab the pole with my hands. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

2nd November 2007, 07:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
treesailor Sappling Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 11	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago I used to be cheap and would not buy a flipline with a cable core. I was chunking out a white pine at about 40 feet. Almost threw my climbing rope as I didn't think I needed it anymore. I usually tied in twice but I figured I was only chunking out. I took a chunk of tree and 75 percent of my flipline. I got lucky and was able to lean forward and save my but. Yeah use a cable flipline and always double tie. No tree job is worth your life!!

2nd November 2007, 08:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,740	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago Welcome to tree world treesailor.The tree I was in was a water oak. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

3rd November 2007, 05:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
playfordtree Mature tree Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 348	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago Everytime i make a cut with only 1 tie in, it feels like i'm driving a car with with no seatbelt! Two tie ins = more chance of coming home alive! __________________ I Drink Therefore I am.

3rd November 2007, 08:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,740	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago I under stand what you are saying but my truck doesn't have seatbelts. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

13th November 2007, 04:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 464	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago I have a wirecore flipline that i nicked about 15yrs ago. It sits on the wall in the shed where I see it every day....and reminds me every day about how careful we must be. I not ashamed to tell the tale when people ask, and how not to scrooge on money when it comes to safety. Hi Franz, I agree with turning off the saw. It can be a PITA but I've gotten into the habit of turning off as soon at the cut is made. Makes communication easier too.

15th November 2007, 01:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
Houthakker Sappling Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 39	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago Climbing safe is climbing double! Problems with my boss in the past about this. Takes too much time he thinks, I don't put a foot in the tree of my ladder without a rope around something. Seen a guy in the Netherlands falling down ending up in a wheelchair. I complie with ... that I always turn of my chainsaw as soon as the cut is ready. Being an arborist is not only climbing, it is using your head as well. Even when it is filled with sawdust.

15th November 2007, 03:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,405	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago Darned ladders, I fell off one too! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

15th November 2007, 03:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,740	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago You use a ladder?don't you know how to rope climb? __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

15th November 2007, 03:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,405	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago Years ago, I used to use them to clean palms and not spike them ... now I come first screw the palms. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

15th November 2007, 07:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,740	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago I know what you mean when the get more than 15' tall its just a matter of time till the come down. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

15th November 2007, 08:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 464	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago I think everyone has to have a bad experience with a ladder to realise that climbing is the way to go.

15th November 2007, 08:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,740	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago Yeah I had 2.The first was when i was 10 and deathly afaraid of heights my dad and I were doing a siding job on his aunt's house and he sent me 4 stories up a ladder that was already on top of thier porch to get his snips and I made that mistake of looking down while the wind was blowing.The second was 3 years ago i was climbing one to set a pull line in a tree so my uncle's friend could pull it with a tractor and my uncle waited until I got halfway up the ladder knowing I hated the things and he shook the chit out of the ladder so I grabbed ahold of a vine to keep from going over.nowadays i won't be caught dead on a ladder higher than 10'. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

18th November 2007, 10:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,282	Re: I got a scare 2 weeks ago Hold up.... When I was only using 1" tubular webbing as my positioning and safety straps, I was always extremely cautious. Once I got my first steel-cored flipline, I think I began to feel a little over-confident. (which is bad, and dangerous). One day i nicked the rope-sheathing on my steel-core flipline, and it um... "spliffed" the rope part. (spliffed is a very technical term, im sure you all know.... the rope "puffs" up) So, noticing that the steel hadn't been touched at all, I just took some electrical tape and wrapped it around the poofed part of the rope sheath and called it good. Granted, it looks a little odd. You're telling me that this ISNT SAFE????? Okay, seriously though.... can I get by on it, as long as I'm using a second tie in, or does it HAVE to be retired? __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703