help with the Ekka pulley advance

sawsong

it was certainly a knot, it just wasnt a properly set blakes. one of the tucks was on the wrong side of the tail end of the climbing line so it was still holding the rope but it wasnt sitting right.

but regardless. i get it right now but i dont like how the knot performs all the time. it might just need getting used to but there might be a better knot out there for me!

quercus

Jay is right about this, mate.... There are only two ways to tie a knot. Exactly right and hopelessly wrong. You should practice some more with a fool-proof knot. It will be the method you can always fall back too when things get hazy or unclear. Everything gets easier after that when you try different knots like VT and such.I teach occasionally, and no-one gets to lift their asses 1 foot off the ground without being able to tie a double fisherman's knot, prussik and bow-line behind their backs.
When it comes down to it, there are only two things whom are actually necessary to climb a tree and that's a harness and a climbing line. Explore that method in case you lose some equipment when you're up there...

sawsong

fair enough, perhaps i shouldnt have tried to make any excuses for getting it wrong in the first place, but anyway, ive been climbing on the correct blakes now multiple times daily ever since then and not only can i tie that with my eyes shut but i can do the three you mention too, prusik's double fishermans (can tie up a prusik loop eyes shut too) and bowlines.

anyway for anyone interested, ive been making some headway, i ditched the pulley for now and put it on my hip to keep the tail tidy, learnt to footlock, and booked onto my tree climbing and aerial rescue course... (if dad's done it yet. think he was doing it through the farm business)

Ekka

Good to hear, fast footlockers will beat most people up a tree, Iknow comps show fast pole climbers will do an 80' pole in about the same time as a footlocker does a 40' one but in the real tree the spur climbing guy has branches to navigate ....

... but in saying that the footlocker has to set a line.

Oh, and there's pruning where all have to set a line, no spurs, unless of course you take on this approach to tree work.

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sawsong

haha that's a good read

I dont actually own any spurs yet. why would I? that would only tempt me to do take downs that I am not trained/qualified/good enough to do yet. so it's all spikeless access for me for a while yet. And i wouldnt have it any other way

quercus

I seldom seen young wallaby's () approaching things really correctly. You are one of those few. I think we'll see great things from you in the future.
I've been so freakin' busy lately that I haven't been able to keep up with the threads I wanted. There's the belgian climbing comp this weekend, wich I will be attending.

sawsong

thanks mate, the support i get from you guys means a lot

i guess i figured since i finally found something i would love to spend my life doing, im gonna damn well make sure that i can do it for a long time, and that means safety and proper technique. why take chances and add extra to the mix.

im a natually cautious person, not a massive thrill seeker etc. i hate rollercoasters because i do not trust things im not in control of.

but the feeling i get from being high up in the canopy, its like a secret world that only us few are priveleged to experience, and that is what drives me at the moment, and it drives me to learn properly and be in control of everything that I can be in order to progress to the point where I am able to concentrate on doing the best job for the trees and habitat that I can

Ive got a good few years of young and idealistic to go yet, and Im damn well gonna use them

Jim

quercus

Yes indeed... A strange breed of men, these individuals who climb big plants...

I myself find peace in the crown of a big tree in the summer when it's full of leaves. There aren't much people who do this for fun. I don't feel worried about anything, because I respect it and therefore I trust it. It knows I am not there to hurt it and therefore it won't let me down, I am absolutely sure of that. Nobody even knows I'm there... I am isolated within another being whom has lived for much longer then me.

When I'm receiving a phone call from people whom are trying to find me, I always say I'm in the park, but they'll have to look up... I often get that "HUH? What?" type of answer....

Treelore

Sawsong I may be reading this wrong but it sounds like you are still attempting to hip thrust with the pulley. If you are using a pulley to tend your knot then you will no longer be hip thrusting but as Ekka mentioned hauling yourself up the tree. Both hands above your friction hitch at all times till you have to tend the knot or a ground worker does. If I have misread disregard.

jim1nz

Try this mate. You already have the pulley, all you need is a dog clip. You can have the prussic legs as long or short as you like.

Use a long prussic for body thrusting, advancing the prussic with your hand while ascending then when ya up in the tree, use the pulley to advance with one hand.

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quercus

aaaaaah the good ole assymetrical prussik...