Haul rope

Drouin Tree Service · 13th October 2007, 07:45 PM

Thinking of buying some of this for a heavy pull rope for excavator/pulling over jobs.

What do you guys think? the temperature points im going to ring them about..

http://www.jeyco.com.au/Products%20C...and%20Rope.pdf

Eric Frei · 13th October 2007, 08:38 PM

That's a bloody strong rope!

I cant see the melting point being so low, seems odd.

Wonder how much it costs?

Drouin Tree Service · 13th October 2007, 09:09 PM

We will soon see how much!

There shackles are heavy duty..

Drouin Tree Service · 13th October 2007, 09:17 PM

This looks OK.... A. Noble & Son Ltd

Eric Frei · 13th October 2007, 09:27 PM

Yeah that looks real good, not as strong but is double braid with higher melting point jacket.

They were in Adelaide (A Noble and Son), check that on price too!

Drouin Tree Service · 13th October 2007, 10:09 PM

Yes they have a store 40 minutes away,ill report back on costs.

Steve Tipton · 14th October 2007, 09:05 PM

Those ropes both look pretty impressive, very strong for DIA.
Did you consider using steel cable for hauling with excavator?

redstree · 19th October 2007, 03:59 PM

The low melting point is not an issue unless you are running it thru a crotch. Used as a pull line the 140C melting point is a non-issue. With that melting point I think the fiber is Dyneema. This is a great new fiber. It is even a replacement for Kevlar in bullet proof clothing.

Dyneema fiber makes an excellant replacement for wire winch cables. It's low melting point does not seem to detract from it's effectivness. It is a very light, extremely strong, low stretch, abrasion resistant, fiber. Best thing is that you do not have to worry about "fish hooks" when you are handling it.

As with any of the modern, high strength, low stretch, ropes you must be careful about how you attatch it to something. Not all knots work well. Spliced eyes are preferable. Most of the modern fibers do not like to make tight bends. The tighter the bend, the greater the loss of strength.

It is so light that it floats and does not adsorb water. It is also unaffeced by UV and most common chemicals including oil and gasoline.

Eric Frei · 19th October 2007, 04:11 PM

Amazing to have a fiber stronger than steel.

Many winch cables on new chippers are this stuff, feels a little inadequate when you start hauling a log but it's strong alright.

Drouin Tree Service · 19th October 2007, 05:28 PM

They got back to me on the supermax but only have it in 14mm i want 20mm,$15 to splice an eye in it.

treesailor · 3rd November 2007, 01:56 PM

Sampson has the rope you are looking for. These high strength ropes have the breaking strength but not the duribility of cable but take a look http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files...st_Catalog.pdf

Eric Frei · 3rd November 2007, 05:40 PM

treesailor

I use Samson ropes and give them the thumbs up.

However their toughest rope is tenex and 1" dia is 20,000kg breaking.

The equivalent in newer high tech fibre for that dia such as plasma is 50,000kg.

There's a whole new breed of high tech ropes and fibre out way stronger than tenex.

Lopa's after these to replace steel cable as they are stronger than steel. Samson doesn't do these ropes yet.

The yachting guy I go to for some rope splicing etc uses these newer ropes to replace the cable used on the masts etc.

Welcome to Tree World

Done it · 27th November 2007, 09:01 PM

Hi, have you heard of LB Wire Ropes, LB Wire Ropes
I used to buy all my ropes there, the old guy has gone but his grandson runs it now. If they don't have it they can get it and there prices are good.

newguy18 · 28th November 2007, 01:36 PM

Welcome to treeworld Done it and cool link.

13th October 2007, 07:45 PM	#1
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Haul rope Thinking of buying some of this for a heavy pull rope for excavator/pulling over jobs. What do you guys think? the temperature points im going to ring them about.. http://www.jeyco.com.au/Products%20C...and%20Rope.pdf __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

13th October 2007, 08:38 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,983	Re: Haul rope That's a bloody strong rope! I cant see the melting point being so low, seems odd. Wonder how much it costs? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

13th October 2007, 09:09 PM	#3
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Re: Haul rope We will soon see how much! There shackles are heavy duty.. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

13th October 2007, 09:17 PM	#4
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Re: Haul rope This looks OK.... A. Noble & Son Ltd __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

13th October 2007, 09:27 PM	#5
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,983	Re: Haul rope Yeah that looks real good, not as strong but is double braid with higher melting point jacket. They were in Adelaide (A Noble and Son), check that on price too! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

13th October 2007, 10:09 PM	#6
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Re: Haul rope Yes they have a store 40 minutes away,ill report back on costs. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

14th October 2007, 09:05 PM	#7
Steve Tipton Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 821	Re: Haul rope Those ropes both look pretty impressive, very strong for DIA. Did you consider using steel cable for hauling with excavator?

19th October 2007, 03:59 PM	#8
redstree Sappling Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 25	Re: Haul rope The low melting point is not an issue unless you are running it thru a crotch. Used as a pull line the 140C melting point is a non-issue. With that melting point I think the fiber is Dyneema. This is a great new fiber. It is even a replacement for Kevlar in bullet proof clothing. Dyneema fiber makes an excellant replacement for wire winch cables. It's low melting point does not seem to detract from it's effectivness. It is a very light, extremely strong, low stretch, abrasion resistant, fiber. Best thing is that you do not have to worry about "fish hooks" when you are handling it. As with any of the modern, high strength, low stretch, ropes you must be careful about how you attatch it to something. Not all knots work well. Spliced eyes are preferable. Most of the modern fibers do not like to make tight bends. The tighter the bend, the greater the loss of strength. It is so light that it floats and does not adsorb water. It is also unaffeced by UV and most common chemicals including oil and gasoline. __________________ Drive a MINI, the most fun you can have with your trousers on.

19th October 2007, 04:11 PM	#9
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,983	Re: Haul rope Amazing to have a fiber stronger than steel. Many winch cables on new chippers are this stuff, feels a little inadequate when you start hauling a log but it's strong alright. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

19th October 2007, 05:28 PM	#10
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Re: Haul rope They got back to me on the supermax but only have it in 14mm i want 20mm,$15 to splice an eye in it. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

3rd November 2007, 01:56 PM	#11
treesailor Sappling Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 14	Re: Haul rope Sampson has the rope you are looking for. These high strength ropes have the breaking strength but not the duribility of cable but take a look http://www.samsonrope.com/site_files...st_Catalog.pdf

3rd November 2007, 05:40 PM	#12
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,983	Re: Haul rope treesailor I use Samson ropes and give them the thumbs up. However their toughest rope is tenex and 1" dia is 20,000kg breaking. The equivalent in newer high tech fibre for that dia such as plasma is 50,000kg. There's a whole new breed of high tech ropes and fibre out way stronger than tenex. Lopa's after these to replace steel cable as they are stronger than steel. Samson doesn't do these ropes yet. The yachting guy I go to for some rope splicing etc uses these newer ropes to replace the cable used on the masts etc. Welcome to Tree World __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

27th November 2007, 09:01 PM	#13
Done it Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Australia. Posts: 780	Re: Haul rope Hi, have you heard of LB Wire Ropes, LB Wire Ropes I used to buy all my ropes there, the old guy has gone but his grandson runs it now. If they don't have it they can get it and there prices are good. Last edited by Eric Frei; 27th November 2007 at 09:12 PM. Reason: added link, cool

28th November 2007, 01:36 PM	#14
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Haul rope Welcome to treeworld Done it and cool link. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

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