hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)?

second-gen_monkey · 29th September 2010, 09:32 AM

which do you use?

i use the sthil forstry set, full thing with screen and ear muffs. sometimes goggles if i'm dealing with itchy stuff.

i've drilled a couple holes with slots behind the black outer seal on the muffs so i can run my headphones into it for my walkie and mp3 player.

Chris75 · 29th September 2010, 11:37 AM

With muffs only. I threw the screen in the bin.

second-gen_monkey · 29th September 2010, 11:41 AM

i've come close to tossing my screen too but i see the splinters and bits stuck in it at the end of the day and decide i can take the trouble of the screen being occasionally in the way as long as i'm not digging stump grinding shrapnel out of my face.

Pat h · 29th September 2010, 12:14 PM

Pacific kevlar helmet with ear plugs in summer. Muffs winter.

Safty glases: shaded , clear or tinted yellow depending on weather conditions.

I am a city tree department employee. Nite time callouts : Kask plasma high - visibility helmet with clear visor and head light. Ear plugs as I have not been able to get the ' p3a ' attachments for ear muffs.

Pacific helmet is heavier but it provides side impact protection.

The kask helmet is vented . I used it on a very hot and humid take down and a camel pack hydration system. Vented helmet is a lot cooler.

Cheers

chainsaw charlie · 29th September 2010, 06:24 PM

I use a edelrid madillo rock climbing helmut, love it, weighs nothing(300grams), has padding which i find alot more comfortable than the plastic straps that sit on your head with other helmuts.

Jeff Darby · 30th September 2010, 07:02 AM

Hi Folks,
We have had a similar discusion before, here's a link to our last talk about hardhats...The search for a comfy helmet.

and by the way I have just replaced my old helmet with a ....wait for it....another Pacific/Kevlar with muffs and visor, this time I went for high vis light green.

Here's a question for you all how long can you use your helmet for ? and when does the life of the helmet start ? day of manufacture OR the day it's sold...? also is a chin strap adequate ?

dov · 30th September 2010, 11:17 AM

I seriously only wear a helmet for two reasons.
A) It keeps my hair out of my face.
B)The visor keeps saw-dust out of my eyes - mostly.

I always make sure that my groundies wear helmets though.

Brent Ferris · 30th September 2010, 07:52 PM

I wear am orange forestry hardhat with muffs - no chin strap; gave up on the screen a long time ago - doesn't keep out the small stuff. Wear it all year -- keeps me warm in the cold, keeps the flies off in the heat. Groundies wear hardhats where/whenever possible,

Garry Brockley · 1st October 2010, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayD

Here's a question for you all how long can you use your helmet for ? and when does the life of the helmet start ? day of manufacture OR the day it's sold...? also is a chin strap adequate ?

on stihl or husky helmets they say five years from when you start wearing it but the kevlar apparently has different rules and they say 10 years for them.
i use a chin strap but prefer the petzel system its more secure and comfy.

derwoodii · 3rd October 2010, 06:09 PM

When I have to or the site OH&S demands it any bit of crap that looks the part. Lids, they are all POS useless platitudes for safety. The bloke that creates a dinks safe n comfortable lid will make millions.
I use an old hang gliding lid for climbing. Its lite snug and decent straps keep it on ma head without pinching or being a PITA.
WTF lids on power line trimmers with muff tangs in wire?? In buckets with no straps to hold em on in wind?? Trees ha I seen more lids fall without a below call than limbs. Hate em they all suck.
My kit when the need calls for it. Me glidin lid necklace butt plugs yellow or brown lite semi wrap glasses. strewth can,t they make any that don't fog with a tad of sweat. Why the neck lace plugs? You can put n on off easy n not loose em all day n they don't sweat up or give ya the head aches as muffs do squeezing your glasses to ya temple.

Christ went on small build site last week. They crapped on about ma lids use by date as we struggled to walk though past heaps of dangerous piles of building debris??

Steve Tipton · 24th November 2010, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galbee

on stihl or husky helmets they say five years from when you start wearing it but the kevlar apparently has different rules and they say 10 years for them.
i use a chin strap but prefer the petzel system its more secure and comfy.

I believe Workcover rules state that helmets should be replaced 2 years after being put into service.

gkn · 24th November 2010, 10:32 PM

as far as i know climbers in western australia donot have to wear a helmit

Alex Metzler · 29th November 2010, 05:23 AM

Quick Adjustable helmet w chinstrap for climbing, ears and face shield for ground work in situations where its likely to get hit w debris, otherwise use whats neccesary

newguy18 · 30th November 2010, 12:19 AM

I wont wear a helmet more than i absolutely have to,Ive fought and argued with a lot of people,including OSHA inspectors.

Rockin'Robin · 8th December 2010, 02:11 PM

I just bought a new bucket, picked up a Pacific Kevlar one, it's really quite nice, not too heavy, fits really well, my only complaint is that the muffs that came with it are really heavy and if I slide them to the back, it's simply ridiculous, i feel it in my neck instantly. Other than that tho, I like the helmet a lot, we'll see how I feel come the summer when ventilation becomes a big issue, but until then, I am enjoying the safety and not dropping my hardhat 50ft out of the tree everytime I go to set a rope or find my next branch.

Garry Brockley · 9th December 2010, 05:44 AM

I use a pacific kevlar try useing ear plugs instead with glasses for your eyes, i use a mesh face sheild personally.

Part Time · 31st December 2010, 01:53 PM

Pacific kevlar - gets a bit warm in the heat of summer. Is it possible
to drill some vent holes in kevlar?

Jeff Darby · 3rd January 2011, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Part Time

Pacific kevlar - gets a bit warm in the heat of summer. Is it possible
to drill some vent holes in kevlar?

Yes you can, you can also buy a model with a sliding vent on the top of the helmet...here's my old helmet with drilled vents and gromets..

Hope this helps..

newguy18 · 3rd January 2011, 09:38 AM

i always thought by drilling into a brain bucket it somehow compromised its strength.

Jeff Darby · 3rd January 2011, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

i always thought by drilling into a brain bucket it somehow compromised its strength.

If you think about how they arrest fractures and cracks to repair. They drill a hole to stop the fracture line at either end of the fracture, some times they plot and drill further holes to make sure they get to root of the problem. Then they go about their repair. I'm relating this from my structural welding days.

Part Time · 3rd January 2011, 12:33 PM

Have drilled holes at the end of crack, it did keep it from splitting farther.
(Maybe I should have stated that a different way.) It worked in plastic without any problems. Wasn"t sure about kevlar. Guess I'll give it a try.
Like the grommet idea. Thanks.

TrevMcRev · 4th January 2011, 08:10 AM

A new helmet by Pfanner coming this year

Willard Holmen · 5th January 2011, 06:36 AM

If your helmet develops a crack its time to chuck it away.
Here in Manitoba safety regs say even spray paint on a helmet weakens the material and painting is not allowed. Also in some provinces a 6 point suspension is mandentory.

Willard.

Jeff Darby · 5th January 2011, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmenTree

If your helmet develops a crack its time to chuck it away.
Here in Manitoba safety regs say even spray paint on a helmet weakens the material and painting is not allowed. Also in some provinces a 6 point suspension is mandentory.

Willard.

All the above is correct..

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayD

If you think about how they arrest fractures and cracks to repair. They drill a hole to stop the fracture line at either end of the fracture, some times they plot and drill further holes to make sure they get to root of the problem. Then they go about their repair. I'm relating this from my structural welding days.

Dont miss understand me. I'm refering to drilling the helmet for vents and fitting gromets.
I'm not suggesting you try and repair a fractured helmet..

Sam Beazley · 14th March 2011, 12:30 PM

on the ground i use a Husqvarna pro forestry helmet with earmuffs mesh visor when using a stump grinder or chipping dead trees. climbing i wear a petzl vertex vent helmet with husky ear muffs and safety glasses

derwoodii · 19th March 2011, 10:40 AM

Ok tell me what I should'a done.

Was training blokes in chain saw ops, one was a Sikh so he wears a Turban.
I'm showin the crew hard hats n movin faster than ma brain, get to this bloke?? Hmm ok do I say take that off or ??

In the end with some Turban lessons understanding inspection and a good laugh we found the turban was more likely a better hard hat and any supplied twas on all workin hours quite thick n soft and very comfortable so kinda better than the traditional plastic bucket.

Daniel Janjic · 20th March 2011, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derwoodii

Ok tell me what I should'a done.

Was training blokes in chain saw ops, one was a Sikh so he wears a Turban.
I'm showin the crew hard hats n movin faster than ma brain, get to this bloke?? Hmm ok do I say take that off or ??

In the end with some Turban lessons understanding inspection and a good laugh we found the turban was more likely a better hard hat and any supplied twas on all workin hours quite thick n soft and very comfortable so kinda better than the traditional plastic bucket.

Interesting situation, I agree with your conclusion though would love to see some white coats debating that one!

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29th September 2010, 09:32 AM	#1
second-gen_monkey Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: miami, fl Posts: 121	hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? which do you use? i use the sthil forstry set, full thing with screen and ear muffs. sometimes goggles if i'm dealing with itchy stuff. i've drilled a couple holes with slots behind the black outer seal on the muffs so i can run my headphones into it for my walkie and mp3 player.

29th September 2010, 11:37 AM	#2
Chris75 Sappling Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 28	Re: hardhat (helemt, brain-cooker etc)? With muffs only. I threw the screen in the bin.

29th September 2010, 11:41 AM	#3
second-gen_monkey Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: miami, fl Posts: 121	Re: hardhat (helemt, brain-cooker etc)? i've come close to tossing my screen too but i see the splinters and bits stuck in it at the end of the day and decide i can take the trouble of the screen being occasionally in the way as long as i'm not digging stump grinding shrapnel out of my face.

29th September 2010, 12:14 PM	#4
Pat h Sappling Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: C.T. U S A Posts: 15	Re: hardhat (helemt, brain-cooker etc)? Pacific kevlar helmet with ear plugs in summer. Muffs winter. Safty glases: shaded , clear or tinted yellow depending on weather conditions. I am a city tree department employee. Nite time callouts : Kask plasma high - visibility helmet with clear visor and head light. Ear plugs as I have not been able to get the ' p3a ' attachments for ear muffs. Pacific helmet is heavier but it provides side impact protection. The kask helmet is vented . I used it on a very hot and humid take down and a camel pack hydration system. Vented helmet is a lot cooler. Cheers

29th September 2010, 06:24 PM	#5
chainsaw charlie Sappling Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: carnegie Posts: 22	Re: hardhat (helemt, brain-cooker etc)? I use a edelrid madillo rock climbing helmut, love it, weighs nothing(300grams), has padding which i find alot more comfortable than the plastic straps that sit on your head with other helmuts.

30th September 2010, 07:02 AM	#6
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,056	Re: hardhat (helemt, brain-cooker etc)? Hi Folks, We have had a similar discusion before, here's a link to our last talk about hardhats...The search for a comfy helmet. and by the way I have just replaced my old helmet with a ....wait for it....another Pacific/Kevlar with muffs and visor, this time I went for high vis light green. Here's a question for you all how long can you use your helmet for ? and when does the life of the helmet start ? day of manufacture OR the day it's sold...? also is a chin strap adequate ? __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

30th September 2010, 11:17 AM	#7
dov Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 649	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? I seriously only wear a helmet for two reasons. A) It keeps my hair out of my face. B)The visor keeps saw-dust out of my eyes - mostly. I always make sure that my groundies wear helmets though.

30th September 2010, 07:52 PM	#8
Brent Ferris Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,549	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? I wear am orange forestry hardhat with muffs - no chin strap; gave up on the screen a long time ago - doesn't keep out the small stuff. Wear it all year -- keeps me warm in the cold, keeps the flies off in the heat. Groundies wear hardhats where/whenever possible, __________________ My business: Tree Pruning and Removals -- Strump Removals -- Advice -- Consulting -- Arborist Reports Consulting Forester If you want an honest opinion, call Brent Ferris...because, Trees want to Live Too ! We do great jobs, even in small yards. Free Estimates Oakville to Oshawa - North to Bradford (Will travel further if cost of travelling covered) Email -- treeshaveneeds@3web.com Cell 416-460-5704

3rd October 2010, 06:09 PM	#10
derwoodii Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 406	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? When I have to or the site OH&S demands it any bit of crap that looks the part. Lids, they are all POS useless platitudes for safety. The bloke that creates a dinks safe n comfortable lid will make millions. I use an old hang gliding lid for climbing. Its lite snug and decent straps keep it on ma head without pinching or being a PITA. WTF lids on power line trimmers with muff tangs in wire?? In buckets with no straps to hold em on in wind?? Trees ha I seen more lids fall without a below call than limbs. Hate em they all suck. My kit when the need calls for it. Me glidin lid necklace butt plugs yellow or brown lite semi wrap glasses. strewth can,t they make any that don't fog with a tad of sweat. Why the neck lace plugs? You can put n on off easy n not loose em all day n they don't sweat up or give ya the head aches as muffs do squeezing your glasses to ya temple. Christ went on small build site last week. They crapped on about ma lids use by date as we struggled to walk though past heaps of dangerous piles of building debris??

24th November 2010, 10:32 PM	#12
gkn Former Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: at home Posts: 14	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? as far as i know climbers in western australia donot have to wear a helmit

29th November 2010, 05:23 AM	#13
Alex Metzler Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: eugene oregon Posts: 90	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? Quick Adjustable helmet w chinstrap for climbing, ears and face shield for ground work in situations where its likely to get hit w debris, otherwise use whats neccesary

30th November 2010, 12:19 AM	#14
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? I wont wear a helmet more than i absolutely have to,Ive fought and argued with a lot of people,including OSHA inspectors. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

8th December 2010, 02:11 PM	#15
Rockin'Robin Sappling Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: New Brunswick Posts: 15	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? I just bought a new bucket, picked up a Pacific Kevlar one, it's really quite nice, not too heavy, fits really well, my only complaint is that the muffs that came with it are really heavy and if I slide them to the back, it's simply ridiculous, i feel it in my neck instantly. Other than that tho, I like the helmet a lot, we'll see how I feel come the summer when ventilation becomes a big issue, but until then, I am enjoying the safety and not dropping my hardhat 50ft out of the tree everytime I go to set a rope or find my next branch.

9th December 2010, 05:44 AM	#16
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,641	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? I use a pacific kevlar try useing ear plugs instead with glasses for your eyes, i use a mesh face sheild personally. __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

31st December 2010, 01:53 PM	#17
Part Time Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Location: So. Central Minnesota Posts: 5	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? Pacific kevlar - gets a bit warm in the heat of summer. Is it possible to drill some vent holes in kevlar?

3rd January 2011, 09:38 AM	#19
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? i always thought by drilling into a brain bucket it somehow compromised its strength. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

3rd January 2011, 12:33 PM	#21
Part Time Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Location: So. Central Minnesota Posts: 5	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? Have drilled holes at the end of crack, it did keep it from splitting farther. (Maybe I should have stated that a different way.) It worked in plastic without any problems. Wasn"t sure about kevlar. Guess I'll give it a try. Like the grommet idea. Thanks.

4th January 2011, 08:10 AM	#22
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,594	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? A new helmet by Pfanner coming this year

5th January 2011, 06:36 AM	#23
Willard Holmen Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 651	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? If your helmet develops a crack its time to chuck it away. Here in Manitoba safety regs say even spray paint on a helmet weakens the material and painting is not allowed. Also in some provinces a 6 point suspension is mandentory. Willard.

14th March 2011, 12:30 PM	#25
Sam Beazley Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bulli N.S.W Posts: 105	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? on the ground i use a Husqvarna pro forestry helmet with earmuffs mesh visor when using a stump grinder or chipping dead trees. climbing i wear a petzl vertex vent helmet with husky ear muffs and safety glasses

19th March 2011, 10:40 AM	#26
derwoodii Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 406	Re: hardhat (helmet, brain-cooker etc)? Ok tell me what I should'a done. Was training blokes in chain saw ops, one was a Sikh so he wears a Turban. I'm showin the crew hard hats n movin faster than ma brain, get to this bloke?? Hmm ok do I say take that off or ?? In the end with some Turban lessons understanding inspection and a good laugh we found the turban was more likely a better hard hat and any supplied twas on all workin hours quite thick n soft and very comfortable so kinda better than the traditional plastic bucket.

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