Fishermans knot.

MTS247

Any 1 ever had any probs using a fishermans knot? like to hold a biner nice a tight on the end of a rope pole belt, or for the ends of a VT?

Eric Frei

Tails can creep, minimum tail should be 5X rope dia, for example, 1/2" rope means 2.5" tail for knot, can lash or heat shrink tail.

They're hard to undo after loading, but that's not really a bad thing just a characteristic.

Good knot, pretty much bomb proof.

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MTS247

I wonder if the US and European guys use it alot?

I lash the ends of my life suport ones

Eric Frei

Can be bulky.

Recently my Moxham #67 rope adjuster busted on my flip line. It was around 8 years old and I loved it.

After much hunting around I found you can still get them, steel and all just like my old one .... $240!

Like I paid around $100 so bugger off was my exact response to that thieving price.

By the way Moxham been bought out by some other big name safety manf type.

Anyway, I now just have a prussik with micro pulley.

The prussik loop is tied not with a double fishermans back to back like the traditional prussik but with rethreaded figure 8's ... much more compact, neat, strong and trendy.

So I got out of buying an adjuster and for around $10 am in business.

The rethreaded figure 8 has around the same knot strength (slightly under) the double fishermans but has almost no tail slip.

Afterall, we do use the single figure 8 as a stopper knot dont we.

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newguy18

240 bucks
Mechanical Flipline Adjusters for Tree Climbing

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Garry Brockley

I use the fishermans on all my prussiks and Klem it's a great knot, our teaching says 3x the thickness of the rope used i go for longer
this is my Klem attachment

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Eric Frei

I have a Gibbs on my other flip line ... but the one I had is like this. This one is similar, called the RF2 Rope Grab. (For the record there's also a Sala Rope Grab, I think I had the Sala one, they bought out Moxham)

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Garry Brockley

im old fashioned i like to keep it simple in the tree and not rely too much on gadgets but that looks like it would give easy adjustment

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Eric Frei

Yeah, and it's always the right way up, plenty of room for hands to grab it and not thumb around with some poxy little lever ... perfect for palms.

Mind you, the prussik is working great, I really dont think I'd shell out some $100 plus anymore. The downside of the prussik is sap/sawdust etc ... doesn't like to slide as easily when the "shit hits the flipline".

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Garry Brockley

Im climbing on a klem alot of the time at the moment people say i shouldn't but i really like it. Yeah im really not looking forward to palms when i come back down under don't know why but it may have something to do with the fact that everyone who works on them in here rates them as sh** sticks. i guess they are like leylandii over here sticky messy, bits get everywhere and make you itch conifer rash, no top line crotches and they split out at any opportunity. and every one wants them TOPPED aarrrgghh.

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newguy18

oh,your in for a nasty suprise when you start climbign palms,they are really hard on saws Climbing palms without spurs espically nice when they have a full beard too.

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Garry Brockley

yes im trying to develop a machine that strips the beard off for you by remote control. closest ive come to is my little eastern european friend igi who will climb build dig anything but i cant rebuild him so i cant put a copyright on that idea.

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Roel

I use the fishermans knot too. The fishermans knot are used much in the Netherlands. It's great knot, it's a safe knot and it's cheaper then a eye to eye sling

willem

I can only agree with Roel.

Ekka if you are looking for anything that`s in my attachment let me know. Maybe there is a good deal to be made. Although I'm not sure how big the shippingcosts are to Aus.

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Eric Frei

We have a shocking exchange rate to Euro, we need nearly $2 Australian to 1Euro!

Dang, where do you get that symbol on your keyboard for the currency?

But I did see that rope grab on a coil of blue rope ... they sell it like that here and most places wont separate the adjuster.

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willem

I'll ask the shopowner if it sold seperate.

newguy18

I don't use a fishermans knot.On the climb line its a double half hitch,my lanyard is spliced with a 4 wrap prusick.

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Gunslinger

Does anyone use one of these on their mechanical adjusters to attach to their saddle?



I find the fact that the adjuster is twisted when using a carabiner for attachment to be somewhat annoying.

Also does anyone prefer a prusik for an adjuster over a mechanical adjuster? I find that the prusik is easy to loosen when loaded unlike some of the mechanical devices like the Petzl.

newguy18

Yep,i have a 4 wrap prusik on my 45' lanyard.Its 10 mm bee line.Works great.

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dannyboysfc

Whats up with a 45' lanyard? I'd call that a short climbing line. Must be one of those "mine is longer than yours is" kind of things eh

newguy18

It was just a piece of 3/4 3 strand rope i had lying around and at the time i was removing a large oak tree at least once a week so i decided to make a big ass lanyard.Yeah it comes in handy as a small climb line and for traversing.I just spliced an eye in one end,originally the adjustment was 3 strand too but i put a 4 wrap prusik on it with bee line and it works great.Its nice and easy to work with,espically when climbign large trees.

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Eric Frei

I might try that Gunslinger on my other Gibbs adjuster, it does sit shit in the biner! But I only use that one for back up.

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newguy18

but its screw locking.

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Gunslinger

Yup, and it's listed in the Wesspur catalog as not ANSI rated since it's not positive locking. Still looks like it would get the job done rather well and eliminate the annoying as hell sideways mechanical adjuster. You could always wrench tighten it and slip a tie wire through the hole in the end. My guess is that it would never come out.

newguy18

or loc tite it to the harness.

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phill ellison

hey Eric , i dont know if it the one in the photo that you can't get over there , but if it is i can get here for $60.00 if ya want me to send one over

Eric Frei

Heck yeah, if you can get one like that in the pic then get it, mail it etc and I'll fix you up.

I paid around $60 in 1999 I had a note I found in the diary but that place doesn't sell them anymore. So it's likely the same thing.

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jdog

I have become a double fishermans junky. End line attachments and split tails are both fishermans. loosen to slide out the biner then a quick pull to untie the knot. doesn't get any easier then that.

Grais

Hey guys, about the Moxham type rope grabs, there is one for sale here in Canada, the comPANY I work for at the moment, has several fliplines with a adjuster that looks just like the one pictured except for the part that attached to the D rings, this is where it gets scary.
Too attach to the D ring, there is a little clevis type attachment, that is basically a j, that hooks to the D, with a 'split gate' to prevent it slipping off. The gate is split in two, and the SAFETY is that you are only able to unattach if you press down both halves of the gate at the same time.
I climbed one tree with one one day as my gear was at the truck so I used my groundies belt, as I was sitting getting my rope sorted(tying in) I noticed my rope was lying on top of the gate and had opened it slightly. looking at it I could see all I would have had to do was unweight the line and it would pop out, so I tried it and sure as shit it popped right off my belt.
Tied in and came down. Told the groundie about it, and if it was my belt I would leave that POS line in the dumpster. he just kinda looked at me with a vague look, and shrugged his shoulders.
Needless to say I told everyone about the issues and several of the guys have been able to reproduce the same thing, these gates could be opened by a stick, rope, 'biner bumping into it, practically anything is able to dislodge this saftey system.
Now I use my own fliplines, have for a while, but a lot of the new guys are handed these POS to climb with. Last week the foreman whipped out three brand new ones, with the cracking price tag of 300.00 each(for a 12 ft steel core flip with 'death' adjuster).
I practically pissed myself. I couldnt believe for one the money he had wasted, and the fact that he had completely ignored the issue, handing rank amateurs a steelcore that is more unsafe than anything I have ever seen.
Right there I showed them all how the POS can come unconnected, and again the Foreman was like,
'OK well as long as everyone knows about it, we should be OK'.
I told him right there I would never climb a tree with one, and I suggested that the rest of them do the same, its their life tho, I can't make them smart.
This week I will try to get a picture of their scary as hell system and post it here for all to see.
Please fi your climbing in Canada, or anywhere on one of these 'split gate' safety systems, check it out thoroughly, and if you can in any way get it to 'accidentally' open, throw it away for your own, and any others after you, safety.Again I will try to get some pics this week so all can be sure of what I am referring to.
The ones pictured are exactly the same, but they have the standard hole on the grab, that you can connect with a shackle or a 'biner, very safe and bullet proof.

Stay safe gang,
-Grais

Eric Frei

Can you put a pic up of the ones you got?

I'm still without one, and using a Gibbs adjuster that I don't like.

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