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Therrin

The only yelling I'm still used to is ...

ROCK!!!!!!!!!

The international yell for *any* falling object while you're clipped in.

Any climbers out there should know this one. (quercus?)

JayD

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headache.

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quercus

I'd have to agree with newguy on this. We do this all the time and it does work. It's just a case of simple mathematics. Whe the surface of the cut is angled, it is bigger and has more square inches. So the pressure per square inch is less then if the cut was horizontal. We also use it on tops, ekka, because indeed, like newguy says, it keeps the top from sliding away on the back side where the climber is. Tests have shown that 1200 kg per square centimeter is needed to pull a hinge on a oak tree apart in the vertical direction. So if the cut is angled the pulling force on the wood is much less then if it where horizontal and will therefore less easily break apart in the wrong direction. If a top of a pine gets hung up when falling down, you actually could saw through the hinge and the top would still slide off of the cut in the right direction. When using this on hung up tops, you do have to realize that sometimes the upper branches of the top come back to the tree you're working on when falling down.We've been using this technique hundreds of times, it does work, but one has the know the math and the mechanics of it before using it.

Ekka

Newguy18 and Quercus,

This goes for me too, be patient, I'll start a thread soon for angled back cuts ... please dont continue that discussion here.

And take it to this dedicated thread thanks.

Angled back cut| backcut| tree felling| back cuts

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arborjockey

I should have been more specific in that "wench" I meant cable. not a big fan of cables in that their inferier to rope. By that I mean their One stonger by weight and two when a rope snaps it lays flat. People also get lazy with the use of winchs. I think if you have to pull with more then say 2-3000 pounds. The top has to much lean or you need to defoliate it. A crane is a different matter it pulls up and away not down and parallel. But thats my unexpert opinion.

Ekka

There's modern hitech fibres stronger than cable these days anyway, stronger, lighter and wont stab you.

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soutz

i think in some ways we are missing the point of the thread. one young mans version does not match the older mans version. now from experience which one would you believe.? how do we as older wiser and still alive hand on the respect needed to get to be a bit older in this game?
the last 5 or so young guys i have started training have little or no respect for how quickly accidents happen and how deadly they can be. Also very little passion for learning a craft as well as a profession.
is this just me or is it harder to get someone who relises that first we must master the leaf rake?

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I nick named him Young Bull for a reason on the first day we met.

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newguy18

soutz I understand the leaf rake thing all to well.when I was 13 I told my dad I wanted to get into landscaoing and he took me to his mom's house and put me to raking a 1/2 acre by hand.I did that 3 times a year and there are actually tricks to using a rake.man did I get some blisters.

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heh heh.thats a good one. as the saying goes "it takes a good man to do a simple job well"

jim1nz

Ha an easy way to bring him to reality is to enter him in a climbing comp. See how he fairs then, might even learn something...!

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Where I come from a new climber is never, ever, boss. The only way to learn is have someone tell you what to do until you get the hang of it yourself. Then, even today I listed to my groundman. I may not do what they say but I listen.