company climbing kits

Drouin Tree Service · 17th January 2008, 07:59 PM

What harnesses are you guys buying to put into "company owned climbing kits"?

Im doing some hiring/training so the kits might be used by a few people who may/may not want to learn.

Therrin · 17th January 2008, 08:04 PM

Tell them to bring and maintain their own harness. That'll weed out the ones who want to and the ones who don't REALLY fast!!!

Drouin Tree Service · 17th January 2008, 08:14 PM

That would be nice but i want to supply it.

Therrin · 17th January 2008, 08:17 PM

What harness do you use?

I'd suggest a basic buckingham model, but I'm sure some would suggest tree-motions. Does price range factor in, or are you just looking for a good, all-around harness for beginners?

JohN Dee · 17th January 2008, 08:27 PM

The Sala harness (Yellow and blue) would be good for company climbing kits. They are like $250 each... Comfy and alright for work positions. A guy in my class owned one and he never complained about it.

Start them off at the bottom in the hard yards so that way when they become top notch climbers they will appreciate the hard days they put in, in the lower end harnesses.

shaggs · 17th January 2008, 10:53 PM

I'm with John. A very basic harness so they'll learn correct fitment to make it as comfortable as possible.
Then they'll appreciate the comfort, padding and extra features of the more high tech models.
Harnesses are a personal choice though and all bodies are different.

Eric Frei · 17th January 2008, 11:14 PM

Well, I'm going to say different.

They're company harnesses and remain company harnesses so buy good ones, long lasting.

I'd say Buckingham Aussie Traverse with sliding front D's, wont be too many climber refuse to work in them or complain and you'll have them for years and they'll always be wanted.

quercus · 18th January 2008, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

What harness do you use?

I'd suggest a basic buckingham model, but I'm sure some would suggest tree-motions. Does price range factor in, or are you just looking for a good, all-around harness for beginners?

A treemotion harness is not for beginners.It is very very good but also very precise equipment and therefore it's not foolproof. If I had to buy harnesses for beginners, I'd look at something with wide and thick belts and buckles. The kind you can't sever with just 2 cm of sawteeth on a handsaw. The treemotion has a 9 mm static line as a main anchorpoint. very easy to saw through.

penfold · 18th January 2008, 05:21 AM

when i did my training at houghall college in durham we used the willans sit harness and the full body harness so that we got a feel for what it was like to work in either of these types. theres plenty of padding for the scrawnier climber and just the right amount for the climber with their own padding (like me).

Steve Tipton · 18th January 2008, 11:26 AM

I supplied Kookaburra harnesses for trainees and Arbormaster for more experienced climbers.

newguy18 · 18th January 2008, 01:52 PM

i won't recomend this.http://www.esscodist.com/shopsite_sc...a/08-01025.jpg
thats what i climb in.

Eric Frei · 18th January 2008, 02:07 PM

Bugger me, WTF sort of nut crusher is that?

newguy18 · 18th January 2008, 02:13 PM

its a weaver 4 dee cheapest saddle on the face of the planet.It ain't bad for hanging around but for spur and saftey work it kills me.Its lays right across the spot on my back that got hurt a few months ago.I already said elseware on the site that when the income tax comes back i'm getting a navaho vario.

TREEMONKEY · 18th January 2008, 02:18 PM

I have been using the Buckingham versatile for 3 years and love it their are 2 models not sure of the different model names but the more expensive one is really comfortable it has a seat and gel padding. the saddle is not restricting at all in my opinion and very comfortable.

Sherrill Tree Climbing Supply: Professional Tree Care

newguy18 · 18th January 2008, 02:20 PM

link doesn't work.

Eric Frei · 18th January 2008, 02:23 PM

Sherrill's have a stupid website, frames and templates wont let direct hits to items work too well, typical, the experts always know best but many times they're the dumbest.

TREEMONKEY · 18th January 2008, 02:25 PM

i will try this again

Buckingham Versatile Saddle

a different site may work

bigshea13 · 18th January 2008, 02:32 PM

sherrill does have a few good combos out right now at a reasonable rate. i learned in shit and now i swing in a "sofa" start em out in hand tied ones...just kiddin. if youve got the cash and you get guys that you think will be assets and stick with it , itd be worth it to get em somethin comfy. they will be able to pay attention to what they are involved in instead ofwhats crushin their nuts.

quercus · 18th January 2008, 04:57 PM

take a look at the Petzl Sequoia...
http://www.northeasternarborist.com/...fo%20sheet.pdf

Looks very nice.

Drouin Tree Service · 18th January 2008, 05:03 PM

Im probably better off buying the kit in the USA and have it shipped,Im leaning towards this kit in the centre...what do you guys think? Complete Spur Climbing Kits for Removals, Limbing, Take Downs, Pole Climbing

Drouin Tree Service · 18th January 2008, 05:05 PM

Or for a cheap alternative...

Therrin · 18th January 2008, 05:14 PM

Looks like a good setup A_lopa,

That flip is the exact same that I've got.
I think the overall package is a good and comfortable setup for a beginner, and not too barebones or fancy.

Therrin · 18th January 2008, 05:15 PM

Wow! "barebones" doesn't even begin to describe that.

Eric Frei · 18th January 2008, 05:18 PM

Bloody good value for money, you couldn't put together a combo of that quality so well.

I do like Caddy Pads though and they are cheaper, maybe see if they can swap them out and bonus in something else.

Drouin Tree Service · 18th January 2008, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

Wow! "barebones" doesn't even begin to describe that.

LOL!

newguy18 · 19th January 2008, 12:53 AM

that kit looks good A lopa.

dannyboysfc · 19th January 2008, 04:33 PM

Yea looks like a good kit for the $$$$, but I'd agree about the climber pads.

Weavers sliding D saddle is pretty good and costs around 15O, I did a quick check to see what it would cost to put together a kit the way I'd want it

Weaver sliding D saddle with individual leg straps 150
Klein climbers w/o pads 200
oversized double wrap pads 50
straps for pads 20
2 in 1 lanyard 50

Prices rounded off but about 470 at BishcoSplash(inset)

Drouin Tree Service · 19th January 2008, 04:45 PM

Thanks Danny

newguy18 · 20th January 2008, 01:17 AM

i just ordered thier catalogue.Thanks Danny.

TrevMcRev · 24th January 2008, 05:02 PM

I wouldnt get too carried away, climbing gear is very much personal preferance, and those serious about this work will want their own kit.

In most other trades, people use their own tools, a 1st year apprentice electrician will buy his own tool kit and build on it as he goes.

Life supporting ropes & harnesses arent really the sort of thing to be handed round through 1/2 dozen different workers, who knows how its been treated.

Maybe a tool allowance, say $1000 for the year, paid weekly, that way you dont spend up on someone who bails out 2 months later.

17th January 2008, 07:59 PM	#1
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	company climbing kits What harnesses are you guys buying to put into "company owned climbing kits"? Im doing some hiring/training so the kits might be used by a few people who may/may not want to learn. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

17th January 2008, 08:04 PM	#2
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: company climbing kits Tell them to bring and maintain their own harness. That'll weed out the ones who want to and the ones who don't REALLY fast!!!

17th January 2008, 08:14 PM	#3
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Re: company climbing kits That would be nice but i want to supply it. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

17th January 2008, 08:17 PM	#4
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: company climbing kits What harness do you use? I'd suggest a basic buckingham model, but I'm sure some would suggest tree-motions. Does price range factor in, or are you just looking for a good, all-around harness for beginners?

17th January 2008, 08:27 PM	#5
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 848	Re: company climbing kits The Sala harness (Yellow and blue) would be good for company climbing kits. They are like $250 each... Comfy and alright for work positions. A guy in my class owned one and he never complained about it. Start them off at the bottom in the hard yards so that way when they become top notch climbers they will appreciate the hard days they put in, in the lower end harnesses. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

17th January 2008, 10:53 PM	#6
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 419	Re: company climbing kits I'm with John. A very basic harness so they'll learn correct fitment to make it as comfortable as possible. Then they'll appreciate the comfort, padding and extra features of the more high tech models. Harnesses are a personal choice though and all bodies are different.

17th January 2008, 11:14 PM	#7
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,983	Re: company climbing kits Well, I'm going to say different. They're company harnesses and remain company harnesses so buy good ones, long lasting. I'd say Buckingham Aussie Traverse with sliding front D's, wont be too many climber refuse to work in them or complain and you'll have them for years and they'll always be wanted. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

18th January 2008, 05:21 AM	#9
penfold Sappling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: leeds, uk Posts: 13	Re: company climbing kits when i did my training at houghall college in durham we used the willans sit harness and the full body harness so that we got a feel for what it was like to work in either of these types. theres plenty of padding for the scrawnier climber and just the right amount for the climber with their own padding (like me).

18th January 2008, 11:26 AM	#10
Steve Tipton Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 821	Re: company climbing kits I supplied Kookaburra harnesses for trainees and Arbormaster for more experienced climbers. __________________ Heightmaster

18th January 2008, 01:52 PM	#11
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: company climbing kits i won't recomend this.http://www.esscodist.com/shopsite_sc...a/08-01025.jpg thats what i climb in. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

18th January 2008, 02:07 PM	#12
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,983	Re: company climbing kits Bugger me, WTF sort of nut crusher is that? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

18th January 2008, 02:13 PM	#13
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: company climbing kits its a weaver 4 dee cheapest saddle on the face of the planet.It ain't bad for hanging around but for spur and saftey work it kills me.Its lays right across the spot on my back that got hurt a few months ago.I already said elseware on the site that when the income tax comes back i'm getting a navaho vario. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

18th January 2008, 02:18 PM	#14
TREEMONKEY Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ONTARIO, CANADA Posts: 93	Re: company climbing kits I have been using the Buckingham versatile for 3 years and love it their are 2 models not sure of the different model names but the more expensive one is really comfortable it has a seat and gel padding. the saddle is not restricting at all in my opinion and very comfortable. Sherrill Tree Climbing Supply: Professional Tree Care

18th January 2008, 02:20 PM	#15
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: company climbing kits link doesn't work. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

18th January 2008, 02:23 PM	#16
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,983	Re: company climbing kits Sherrill's have a stupid website, frames and templates wont let direct hits to items work too well, typical, the experts always know best but many times they're the dumbest. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

18th January 2008, 02:25 PM	#17
TREEMONKEY Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ONTARIO, CANADA Posts: 93	Re: company climbing kits i will try this again Buckingham Versatile Saddle a different site may work

18th January 2008, 02:32 PM	#18
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 361	Re: company climbing kits sherrill does have a few good combos out right now at a reasonable rate. i learned in shit and now i swing in a "sofa" start em out in hand tied ones...just kiddin. if youve got the cash and you get guys that you think will be assets and stick with it , itd be worth it to get em somethin comfy. they will be able to pay attention to what they are involved in instead ofwhats crushin their nuts.

18th January 2008, 04:57 PM	#19
quercus Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 368	Re: company climbing kits take a look at the Petzl Sequoia... http://www.northeasternarborist.com/...fo%20sheet.pdf Looks very nice.

18th January 2008, 05:03 PM	#20
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Re: company climbing kits Im probably better off buying the kit in the USA and have it shipped,Im leaning towards this kit in the centre...what do you guys think? Complete Spur Climbing Kits for Removals, Limbing, Take Downs, Pole Climbing __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

18th January 2008, 05:05 PM	#21
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Re: company climbing kits Or for a cheap alternative... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

18th January 2008, 05:14 PM	#22
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: company climbing kits Looks like a good setup A_lopa, That flip is the exact same that I've got. I think the overall package is a good and comfortable setup for a beginner, and not too barebones or fancy.

18th January 2008, 05:15 PM	#23
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: company climbing kits Wow! "barebones" doesn't even begin to describe that.

18th January 2008, 05:18 PM	#24
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,983	Re: company climbing kits Bloody good value for money, you couldn't put together a combo of that quality so well. I do like Caddy Pads though and they are cheaper, maybe see if they can swap them out and bonus in something else. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

19th January 2008, 12:53 AM	#26
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: company climbing kits that kit looks good A lopa. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

19th January 2008, 04:33 PM	#27
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 181	Re: company climbing kits Yea looks like a good kit for the $$$$, but I'd agree about the climber pads. Weavers sliding D saddle is pretty good and costs around 15O, I did a quick check to see what it would cost to put together a kit the way I'd want it Weaver sliding D saddle with individual leg straps 150 Klein climbers w/o pads 200 oversized double wrap pads 50 straps for pads 20 2 in 1 lanyard 50 Prices rounded off but about 470 at BishcoSplash(inset)

19th January 2008, 04:45 PM	#28
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,727	Re: company climbing kits Thanks Danny __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

20th January 2008, 01:17 AM	#29
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: company climbing kits i just ordered thier catalogue.Thanks Danny. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

24th January 2008, 05:02 PM	#30
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,594	Re: company climbing kits I wouldnt get too carried away, climbing gear is very much personal preferance, and those serious about this work will want their own kit. In most other trades, people use their own tools, a 1st year apprentice electrician will buy his own tool kit and build on it as he goes. Life supporting ropes & harnesses arent really the sort of thing to be handed round through 1/2 dozen different workers, who knows how its been treated. Maybe a tool allowance, say $1000 for the year, paid weekly, that way you dont spend up on someone who bails out 2 months later.

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