company climbing kits

Tree Machine · 28th January 2008, 07:53 AM

This is helping out a great deal, actually.

The gear you provide your employees or team members depends so much on the types of trees that are in your area, the kind of tree care you do, the tool selection (that you'll provide) should mirror the stuff you use, if you expect a similar result and quality of work out of them, higher quality than your kit if you want performance beyond where you're at yourself. Fair?

If you were to consider your new team well-skilled, and you gave them a bunch of crap tools to work with, as if to put out the message "I don't care enough about your quality to give you quality tools."

Except their quality is YOUR quality. They're working alongside you, or doing jobs for your company and you might not even be there. Their kit is profoundly connected to the quality and working state of the their tools and gear.

And not YOUR gear. Let's put this in context.
Let's say youy want to ramp your company up to the next level, not just hiring the next groundguy. You've done that for 15 years. You are tired of untrained groundhelp with no intention of a career in stick picking-upping.

You know there are talented dudes out there and you think 2 guys. You three can work together, or the two of them can do treecare while you go do estimates, or while you go do another peaceful climb elewhere.

Aside from the obvious truck and rolling rig aspect and insurances, the rest is saws and tools,
hence,
the excellent title to this thread.

I think if we pushed the outer limit of personal (non-heavy equipment) Arborist gear, I am very interested to hear what key and critical tools would YOU provide to a pair of pro-helpers in helping create THEIR system?

(which is actually yours when it comes down to it)

Tree Machine · 29th January 2008, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

i'm thinking of getting a sugoi.what do you think tm?i had a friend also recomend the ibuki.

The subject isn't about hand saws so much, or brands. We are talking about what kit to provide to team members.

I've been using this for about 6 months. It's the straight-blade version of the Zubat. A Natonoko and a Sugoi would be quite the scare pair. A money-making duo.

The handsaw is one of the few tools that can pay for itsef 5 or 10 times over in a day. Then they keep on giving. There are a lot of really good choices. Choose well in this area.

I think dgunther and Ozinus are on it when they say..... what did they say?

a_lopa · 8th February 2008, 12:18 AM

Received the BASIC pole climbing kit from WESSPUR this week,extremely happy with it.

A life line and few other goodies are also on there way,it defenently won't be my last purchase thru wesspur the quick shipping and great prices will have me back again soon.

I will take some pics soon as my camera was knocked off a few weeks back.

Even the bag included is good!

a_lopa · 8th February 2008, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree Machine

The subject isn't about hand saws so much, or brands. We are talking about what kit to provide to team members.

I've been using this for about 6 months. It's the straight-blade version of the Zubat. A Natonoko and a Sugoi would be quite the scare pair. A money-making duo.

The handsaw is one of the few tools that can pay for itsef 5 or 10 times over in a day. Then they keep on giving. There are a lot of really good choices. Choose well in this area.

I think dgunther and Ozinus are on it when they say..... what did they

say?

Spill the beans T/M where did you purchase it?

a_lopa · 8th February 2008, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree Machine

This is helping out a great deal, actually.

The gear you provide your employees or team members depends so much on the types of trees that are in your area, the kind of tree care you do, the tool selection (that you'll provide) should mirror the stuff you use, if you expect a similar result and quality of work out of them, higher quality than your kit if you want performance beyond where you're at yourself. Fair?

If you were to consider your new team well-skilled, and you gave them a bunch of crap tools to work with, as if to put out the message "I don't care enough about your quality to give you quality tools."

Except their quality is YOUR quality. They're working alongside you, or doing jobs for your company and you might not even be there. Their kit is profoundly connected to the quality and working state of the their tools and gear.

And not YOUR gear. Let's put this in context.
Let's say youy want to ramp your company up to the next level, not just hiring the next groundguy. You've done that for 15 years. You are tired of untrained groundhelp with no intention of a career in stick picking-upping.

You know there are talented dudes out there and you think 2 guys. You three can work together, or the two of them can do treecare while you go do estimates, or while you go do another peaceful climb elewhere.

Aside from the obvious truck and rolling rig aspect and insurances, the rest is saws and tools,
hence,
the excellent title to this thread.

I think if we pushed the outer limit of personal (non-heavy equipment) Arborist gear, I am very interested to hear what key and critical tools would YOU provide to a pair of pro-helpers in helping create THEIR system?

(which is actually yours when it comes down to it)

I will give an indepth review of what i provide and expect in the coming weeks on this subject,Thanks for thinking like you do T/M AKA Jim

dguntertrees · 10th February 2008, 01:51 PM

[quote=a_lopa;21368]Received the BASIC pole climbing kit from WESSPUR this week,extremely happy with it.

Is that a Weaver Harness in there A?

Do you not use "Floating D's"..?

Pro Nemus · 10th February 2008, 01:59 PM

I have to ask - what are the primary advantages of using a straight-blade handsaw?

D Mc · 10th February 2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_lopa

Received the BASIC pole climbing kit from WESSPUR this week,extremely happy with it.

A life line and few other goodies are also on there way,it defenently won't be my last purchase thru wesspur the quick shipping and great prices will have me back again soon.

I will take some pics soon as my camera was knocked off a few weeks back.

Even the bag included is good!

I think that was a good idea and a great choice. In the company I started with all new climbers were supplied climbing equipment by the company. I can still remember the pride and appreciation I felt at receiving my first climbing kit.

It helps instill a team atmosphere which in turn makes the company more productive.

D Mc

newguy18 · 10th February 2008, 02:25 PM

i have the strapless version of that saddle and i hate it.its to restrictive and it sucks for leaning into all day.

Therrin · 10th February 2008, 02:54 PM

NG,

the focus was on an all inclusive climbing kit at a good price, for a beginning climber. Not necessarily the MOST comfy or pricey rig.

Since you're more advanced now, why don't you get a more comfy harness? Eh? (oh no! I sound like TD!!)

I saw these in Buckingham's catalog and thought it sounded really niffty, I think I'll be getting one. Sounds like a good idea for those who say "my harness is cutting me in half"... as well as some suspender straps.

D Mc · 10th February 2008, 03:54 PM

New Guy, actually one of the things I liked about A Lopa's choice is that it is solid and safe, but plenty of room for improvement. A little discomfort really seperates the "I think I want to climb's" from the "I AM going to do this!" kind of climbers.

It is hard not to lose patience sometimes with trainees but I will always take my hat off when I see a guy pushing through some discomfort and really having a go at it.

D Mc

Pro Nemus · 10th February 2008, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D Mc

New Guy, actually one of the things I liked about A Lopa's choice is that it is solid and safe, but plenty of room for improvement. A little discomfort really seperates the "I think I want to climb's" from the "I AM going to do this!" kind of climbers.

It is hard not to lose patience sometimes with trainees but I will always take my hat off when I see a guy pushing through some discomfort and really having a go at it.

D Mc

Don't take off your helmet though, never know what he's about to drop on you.

newguy18 · 10th February 2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D Mc

New Guy, actually one of the things I liked about A Lopa's choice is that it is solid and safe, but plenty of room for improvement. A little discomfort really seperates the "I think I want to climb's" from the "I AM going to do this!" kind of climbers.

It is hard not to lose patience sometimes with trainees but I will always take my hat off when I see a guy pushing through some discomfort and really having a go at it.

D Mc

oh i put up with it but i'm gonna get the navaho vario here pretty soon.

Tree Machine · 24th February 2008, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro Nemus

I have to ask - what are the primary advantages of using a straight-blade handsaw?

Many times to avoid peels or mini barbers, and to accurately direct the fell of wrist-diameter and down limbage. Many times, the Arborist may often choose to place a quick wedge cut, to better assure accurate directioning of the limb and predictability of seperation.

The straight blade allows you cut accurately the wedges. As well, your conventional or tapered hinge/backcut is also very precise. This is because you're sawing in straight lines.

The curved saw cuts a curved (convex) kerf. You get bypass where your cuts should meet, a less predictable hinge-wood scenario. Curved is for hogging through crosscuts, which is the primary use of a handsaw anyway, in my opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSHA

OSHA reference, unacceptable practices The second cut is made and both cuts should meet exactly. If the two cuts (of the wedge) do not meet exactly, or bypass, the notch cannot perform its function. These small notches close up before the tree has fallen even half way to the ground. When this happens, stress is put on the hinge causing it to break prematurely, resulting in fiber pull, splitting of the butt or barber chairing.

I cut and pasted that from OSHA's unacceptable practices, but is reflects the answer I would have given you. It refers to felling a tree, but directional felling of wrist-diameter material, aloft, follows the same basic felling principle. Your hinge and back cut have to be spot-on.

Also, if you can appreciate the benefits of a folding handsaw, they come only in straight-blade.

Also, straight-blade works better, overall, in carpentry, straight lines, y'know? Ever try to cut a dovetail or a tenon with a curved blade?

Sorry, that really went off-topic.

Tree Machine · 24th February 2008, 05:41 AM

but to close on that, this doesn't mean a straight-blade is better than a curved blade. They each do certain things better than one another.

Tree Machine · 24th February 2008, 05:50 AM

As far as company climbing kits, it's really important to purchase gear that your guys will use. Noobies will use whatever you give them. Seasoned talent will be more preferential, naturally.

I could offer a guy a straight-blade Zubat, but if he's used to and likes the curved-blade Zubat, he may not bite.

Allowing the recruit to have a choose of specifics in his daily kit may be of great benefit. Or it may cost you heaps more dough.

Either way, I suppose unless otherwise communicated, the gear is still the property of the company.

8th February 2008, 12:18 AM	#78 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 865	Re: company climbing kits Received the BASIC pole climbing kit from WESSPUR this week,extremely happy with it. A life line and few other goodies are also on there way,it defenently won't be my last purchase thru wesspur the quick shipping and great prices will have me back again soon. I will take some pics soon as my camera was knocked off a few weeks back. Even the bag included is good! __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals Last edited by a_lopa : 8th February 2008 at 12:19 AM. Reason: spelling

10th February 2008, 01:51 PM	#81 (permalink)
dguntertrees Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mudgeeraba, SE Queensland Posts: 123	Re: company climbing kits [quote=a_lopa;21368]Received the BASIC pole climbing kit from WESSPUR this week,extremely happy with it. Is that a Weaver Harness in there A? Do you not use "Floating D's"..?

10th February 2008, 01:59 PM	#82 (permalink)
Pro Nemus Sappling Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 39	Re: company climbing kits I have to ask - what are the primary advantages of using a straight-blade handsaw?

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newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,632	Re: company climbing kits i have the strapless version of that saddle and i hate it.its to restrictive and it sucks for leaning into all day. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

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Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,255	Re: company climbing kits NG, the focus was on an all inclusive climbing kit at a good price, for a beginning climber. Not necessarily the MOST comfy or pricey rig. Since you're more advanced now, why don't you get a more comfy harness? Eh? (oh no! I sound like TD!!) I saw these in Buckingham's catalog and thought it sounded really niffty, I think I'll be getting one. Sounds like a good idea for those who say "my harness is cutting me in half"... as well as some suspender straps. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

28th January 2008, 07:53 AM	#76 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	This is helping out a great deal, actually. The gear you provide your employees or team members depends so much on the types of trees that are in your area, the kind of tree care you do, the tool selection (that you'll provide) should mirror the stuff you use, if you expect a similar result and quality of work out of them, higher quality than your kit if you want performance beyond where you're at yourself. Fair? If you were to consider your new team well-skilled, and you gave them a bunch of crap tools to work with, as if to put out the message "I don't care enough about your quality to give you quality tools." Except their quality is YOUR quality. They're working alongside you, or doing jobs for your company and you might not even be there. Their kit is profoundly connected to the quality and working state of the their tools and gear. And not YOUR gear. Let's put this in context. Let's say youy want to ramp your company up to the next level, not just hiring the next groundguy. You've done that for 15 years. You are tired of untrained groundhelp with no intention of a career in stick picking-upping. You know there are talented dudes out there and you think 2 guys. You three can work together, or the two of them can do treecare while you go do estimates, or while you go do another peaceful climb elewhere. Aside from the obvious truck and rolling rig aspect and insurances, the rest is saws and tools, hence, the excellent title to this thread. I think if we pushed the outer limit of personal (non-heavy equipment) Arborist gear, I am very interested to hear what key and critical tools would YOU provide to a pair of pro-helpers in helping create THEIR system? (which is actually yours when it comes down to it)

10th February 2008, 03:54 PM	#86 (permalink)
D Mc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 72	Re: company climbing kits New Guy, actually one of the things I liked about A Lopa's choice is that it is solid and safe, but plenty of room for improvement. A little discomfort really seperates the "I think I want to climb's" from the "I AM going to do this!" kind of climbers. It is hard not to lose patience sometimes with trainees but I will always take my hat off when I see a guy pushing through some discomfort and really having a go at it. D Mc

24th February 2008, 05:41 AM	#90 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	but to close on that, this doesn't mean a straight-blade is better than a curved blade. They each do certain things better than one another.

24th February 2008, 05:50 AM	#91 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	compulsory, or suggested kit? As far as company climbing kits, it's really important to purchase gear that your guys will use. Noobies will use whatever you give them. Seasoned talent will be more preferential, naturally. I could offer a guy a straight-blade Zubat, but if he's used to and likes the curved-blade Zubat, he may not bite. Allowing the recruit to have a choose of specifics in his daily kit may be of great benefit. Or it may cost you heaps more dough. Either way, I suppose unless otherwise communicated, the gear is still the property of the company.