company climbing kits

newguy18 · 18th January 2008, 06:53 AM

that kit looks good A lopa.

dannyboysfc · 18th January 2008, 10:33 PM

Yea looks like a good kit for the $$$$, but I'd agree about the climber pads.

Weavers sliding D saddle is pretty good and costs around 15O, I did a quick check to see what it would cost to put together a kit the way I'd want it

Weaver sliding D saddle with individual leg straps 150
Klein climbers w/o pads 200
oversized double wrap pads 50
straps for pads 20
2 in 1 lanyard 50

Prices rounded off but about 470 at BishcoSplash(inset)

a_lopa · 18th January 2008, 10:45 PM

Thanks Danny

newguy18 · 19th January 2008, 07:17 AM

i just ordered thier catalogue.Thanks Danny.

TrevMcRev · 23rd January 2008, 11:02 PM

I wouldnt get too carried away, climbing gear is very much personal preferance, and those serious about this work will want their own kit.

In most other trades, people use their own tools, a 1st year apprentice electrician will buy his own tool kit and build on it as he goes.

Life supporting ropes & harnesses arent really the sort of thing to be handed round through 1/2 dozen different workers, who knows how its been treated.

Maybe a tool allowance, say $1000 for the year, paid weekly, that way you dont spend up on someone who bails out 2 months later.

ozinus · 23rd January 2008, 11:25 PM

I believe there are a few good ways of doing things. One is pricing out what you consider to be good gear and setting the company budget limit. After this any climber may contribute to buy him or herself whatever they want in addition to your subsidy. Another way is a tool allowance similar to carpenters. Identify if new employees wish to learn to climb and pay them X per week into a tool account they won't be climbing in the first year so this can accrue so after a month they can afford a handsaw next month hand pruners etc. The bank builds and if they don't end up climbing the allowance is forfeited back to the company. A time limit on their employment can also guarantee the gear is theirs upon leaving. this can be set to ensure a generous time of commitment they give to you or their gear is also forfeited to the company. Many ways to skin a cat

Therrin · 24th January 2008, 06:47 AM

Ozinus,

How many climbers have you come across in your personally run business who you've needed to outfit with gear?

ozinus · 24th January 2008, 08:49 AM

I may be wrong, But I think the question is more about people who don't yet climb. I assumed this thread was about setting up a kit for employees who were learning to climb. If you knew how to climb certainly you would also know the gear that you required. I am not aquainted with the way they do things in Cali as I have not worked there, but I assure you if I came and wanted work from you, I would tell you the gear I required.....

a_lopa · 24th January 2008, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozinus

I believe there are a few good ways of doing things. One is pricing out what you consider to be good gear and setting the company budget limit. After this any climber may contribute to buy him or herself whatever they want in addition to your subsidy. Another way is a tool allowance similar to carpenters. Identify if new employees wish to learn to climb and pay them X per week into a tool account they won't be climbing in the first year so this can accrue so after a month they can afford a handsaw next month hand pruners etc. The bank builds and if they don't end up climbing the allowance is forfeited back to the company. A time limit on their employment can also guarantee the gear is theirs upon leaving. this can be set to ensure a generous time of commitment they give to you or their gear is also forfeited to the company. Many ways to skin a cat

Thats a very good idea! Thanks

newguy18 · 24th January 2008, 08:16 PM

Therrin · 24th January 2008, 10:21 PM

If you came to climb for me I'd expect you to have your own gear, or I'd send you back home. I don't lend saddles, I'm pretty picky about that. I think any climber worth his salt should own his own saddle, maintain and inspect it personally, and not lend it out to strangers.

But A_lopa is talking about people who are new to climbing... and based on your previously stated vast volumes of climbing experience, you wouldn't be in that catagory. So we're talking about two different things here.

Therrin · 24th January 2008, 10:34 PM

The tool allowance idea was interesting... have you done that in the past? If so, how well does it work? Would you say it gives your workers something to shoot for?

I just started letting one of my groundies use a chain saw the other day. Went over all the ins and outs that he needs to know for now, put some Stihl chaps on him, gloves, etc, all the ppe. Demonstrated, then watched him do it... kept a close eye on him. It's nice to see someone grinning at doing something right, especially when they're a bit older than I.
I'm letting him use the new Poulan that someone gave me... at least then if he messes it up I'll still have all my good saws working.

The quality of groundies around here is pretty lame... I'd like to train another climber, but that's out of the question at the moment.

ozinus · 24th January 2008, 10:53 PM

I have always felt ( and once again this is my personal opinion) that if you own a company and employ somebody it is your responsibility to have all equipment necessary. people who work in offices don't bring their own computers!!! Contractors are of course different so I think it is very much an individual company thing on how equipment is supplied. At the end of the day if you own the company and the profits are yours you should not expect anyone making you money to buy for themselves. How you go about supplying ppl with equipment is yours to decide. It can become costly to buy for every idiot that comes along. This is why I like the tool allowance. It gives employees a feeling that they are working towards something and gives them a concept of ownership and reward. The repurcussions of this are if they don't stay they can't keep. At least for an agreed period of time. most of us like gear and feel happier and do a better job if comfortable and happy with said gear. profits and employee happiness work hand in hand I feel.

a_lopa · 25th January 2008, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

If you came to climb for me I'd expect you to have your own gear, or I'd send you back home. I don't lend saddles, I'm pretty picky about that. I think any climber worth his salt should own his own saddle, maintain and inspect it personally, and not lend it out to strangers.

But A_lopa is talking about people who are new to climbing... and based on your previously stated vast volumes of climbing experience, you wouldn't be in that catagory. So we're talking about two different things here.

Its for guys WITH a brain and right attitude to see if THEY want to climb,I started with a basic kit and i wish i still had the same saddle,although the 8 plat climbing line can be binned!!!

Its not a kit for climbers "just"a climbing kit...What saddle anyhow?

a_lopa · 25th January 2008, 02:23 AM

Just brought the basic kit...

Ill give it a try myself soon...

Thank you for your order!

Item

Qty

Description

Options

Rate

Amount
KIT, BASIC SPUR CLIMBING W/LARGE SADDLE 1 WEB BASIC SPUR CLIMBING KIT W/LARGE SADDLE

$429.00 $429.00
SADDLE, 4D DOUBLE THICK LG -0801034L 1 SADDLE, 4D DOUBLE THICK LG

SPUR KIT, BUCKINGHAM T PAD -BRGST 1 SPUR KIT, BUCKINGHAM T PAD

SPUR PADS, T -0897156 1 SPUR PADS, T STYLE

SPUR STRAPS, UPPER 26 UNIVERSAL -4126359 1 SPUR STRAPS, UPPER 26 UNIVERSAL

SPUR STRAPS, LOWER 26 UNIVERSAL -41213591 1 SPUR STRAPS, LOWER 26 UNIVERSAL

SPUR GAFF GUARDS, LEATHER -4160091 1 SPUR GAFF GUARDS, LEATHER

SPURS, BUCKINGHAM TREE -419509 1 SPURS, BUCKINGHAM TREE

FLIPLINE KIT, 5/8 X 12' STEEL CORE 1 FLIPLINE KIT, 5/8 X 12' -FL5812SK

FLIPLINE, STEEL CORE 5/8 X 12' -FL5812S 1 FLIPLINE, STEEL CORE 5/8 X 12'

CARABINER, ALUMINUM LARGE D AUTO LOCK -SPYD3 1 CARABINER, ALUMINUM LARGE D AUTO LOCK

ROPE GRAB, US STANDARD LANYARD ADJUSTER -RPGRB 1 ROPE GRAB, US STANDARD LANYARD ADJUSTER

BAG, GEAR, CANVAS LARGE BLACK -8117 1 BAG, GEAR, CANVAS LARGE BLACK

Subtotal $429.00
Shipping $34.40
Tax 0.00
Total $463.40

Therrin · 25th January 2008, 04:59 AM

Ozinus,
You relate supplying climbers with gear to people working in offices. That's a pretty far stretch just for ya to make a connection... And, actually, I know a couple who DO take their computers to work, and to home, etc. They're called LAPTOPS...... they need their own stuff, so they take it with them where they go.

You mention, "At the end of the day if you own the company and the profits are yours you should not expect anyone making you money to buy for themselves."

It isn't like my workers are slaves you know... yes, I'm making money, but THEY are making money from me! I don't need to baby them about their personal finances. If they can't manage to save their own money, to purchase their equipment accordingly, it's not up to me to hold their hand and make it happen.
That's like saying, okay, I used to work for CVS pharmacy, so since they say i need to wear a specific type of shirt and pants and shoes, that they need to buy the stuff for me. No! they say look, this is how you need to present yourself to work with us, and *I* need to go out and buy the shoes, pants and shirt to meet that standard. You can't just use some blanket statement to apply to every situation because you think that "one size fits all". It doesnt work that way in the real world.

I just get the feeling that you've spent too much time "managing" and not much time "doing". Or if you did, that it was 15 years ago you you aren't still familiar with it is all. I said as much in the last post and you didn't even bother to deny it.

Let's just stick to a couple things here, we're attacking eachother's OPINIONS...not eachother. And if someone attacks something you say, and you don't like it, stay on the subject... don't try to off-source the subject and think it's gonna apply.

18th January 2008, 06:53 AM	#26 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,679	Re: company climbing kits that kit looks good A lopa. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

18th January 2008, 10:33 PM	#27 (permalink)
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 121	Re: company climbing kits Yea looks like a good kit for the $$$$, but I'd agree about the climber pads. Weavers sliding D saddle is pretty good and costs around 15O, I did a quick check to see what it would cost to put together a kit the way I'd want it Weaver sliding D saddle with individual leg straps 150 Klein climbers w/o pads 200 oversized double wrap pads 50 straps for pads 20 2 in 1 lanyard 50 Prices rounded off but about 470 at BishcoSplash(inset)

18th January 2008, 10:45 PM	#28 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 877	Re: company climbing kits Thanks Danny __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

19th January 2008, 07:17 AM	#29 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,679	Re: company climbing kits i just ordered thier catalogue.Thanks Danny. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

23rd January 2008, 11:02 PM	#30 (permalink)
TrevMcRev Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 734	Re: company climbing kits I wouldnt get too carried away, climbing gear is very much personal preferance, and those serious about this work will want their own kit. In most other trades, people use their own tools, a 1st year apprentice electrician will buy his own tool kit and build on it as he goes. Life supporting ropes & harnesses arent really the sort of thing to be handed round through 1/2 dozen different workers, who knows how its been treated. Maybe a tool allowance, say $1000 for the year, paid weekly, that way you dont spend up on someone who bails out 2 months later. __________________ Melbourne Arborist, Total Tree Care, Pruning, Tree and Stump Removal

23rd January 2008, 11:25 PM	#31 (permalink)
ozinus Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 59	Re: company climbing kits I believe there are a few good ways of doing things. One is pricing out what you consider to be good gear and setting the company budget limit. After this any climber may contribute to buy him or herself whatever they want in addition to your subsidy. Another way is a tool allowance similar to carpenters. Identify if new employees wish to learn to climb and pay them X per week into a tool account they won't be climbing in the first year so this can accrue so after a month they can afford a handsaw next month hand pruners etc. The bank builds and if they don't end up climbing the allowance is forfeited back to the company. A time limit on their employment can also guarantee the gear is theirs upon leaving. this can be set to ensure a generous time of commitment they give to you or their gear is also forfeited to the company. Many ways to skin a cat

24th January 2008, 06:47 AM	#32 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: company climbing kits Ozinus, How many climbers have you come across in your personally run business who you've needed to outfit with gear? __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

24th January 2008, 08:49 AM	#33 (permalink)
ozinus Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 59	Re: company climbing kits I may be wrong, But I think the question is more about people who don't yet climb. I assumed this thread was about setting up a kit for employees who were learning to climb. If you knew how to climb certainly you would also know the gear that you required. I am not aquainted with the way they do things in Cali as I have not worked there, but I assure you if I came and wanted work from you, I would tell you the gear I required.....

24th January 2008, 08:16 PM	#35 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,679	Re: company climbing kits __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

24th January 2008, 10:21 PM	#36 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: company climbing kits If you came to climb for me I'd expect you to have your own gear, or I'd send you back home. I don't lend saddles, I'm pretty picky about that. I think any climber worth his salt should own his own saddle, maintain and inspect it personally, and not lend it out to strangers. But A_lopa is talking about people who are new to climbing... and based on your previously stated vast volumes of climbing experience, you wouldn't be in that catagory. So we're talking about two different things here. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

24th January 2008, 10:34 PM	#37 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: company climbing kits The tool allowance idea was interesting... have you done that in the past? If so, how well does it work? Would you say it gives your workers something to shoot for? I just started letting one of my groundies use a chain saw the other day. Went over all the ins and outs that he needs to know for now, put some Stihl chaps on him, gloves, etc, all the ppe. Demonstrated, then watched him do it... kept a close eye on him. It's nice to see someone grinning at doing something right, especially when they're a bit older than I. I'm letting him use the new Poulan that someone gave me... at least then if he messes it up I'll still have all my good saws working. The quality of groundies around here is pretty lame... I'd like to train another climber, but that's out of the question at the moment. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

24th January 2008, 10:53 PM	#38 (permalink)
ozinus Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 59	Re: company climbing kits I have always felt ( and once again this is my personal opinion) that if you own a company and employ somebody it is your responsibility to have all equipment necessary. people who work in offices don't bring their own computers!!! Contractors are of course different so I think it is very much an individual company thing on how equipment is supplied. At the end of the day if you own the company and the profits are yours you should not expect anyone making you money to buy for themselves. How you go about supplying ppl with equipment is yours to decide. It can become costly to buy for every idiot that comes along. This is why I like the tool allowance. It gives employees a feeling that they are working towards something and gives them a concept of ownership and reward. The repurcussions of this are if they don't stay they can't keep. At least for an agreed period of time. most of us like gear and feel happier and do a better job if comfortable and happy with said gear. profits and employee happiness work hand in hand I feel.

25th January 2008, 02:23 AM	#40 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 877	Re: company climbing kits Just brought the basic kit... Ill give it a try myself soon... Thank you for your order! Item Qty Description Options Rate Amount KIT, BASIC SPUR CLIMBING W/LARGE SADDLE 1 WEB BASIC SPUR CLIMBING KIT W/LARGE SADDLE $429.00 $429.00 SADDLE, 4D DOUBLE THICK LG -0801034L 1 SADDLE, 4D DOUBLE THICK LG SPUR KIT, BUCKINGHAM T PAD -BRGST 1 SPUR KIT, BUCKINGHAM T PAD SPUR PADS, T -0897156 1 SPUR PADS, T STYLE SPUR STRAPS, UPPER 26 UNIVERSAL -4126359 1 SPUR STRAPS, UPPER 26 UNIVERSAL SPUR STRAPS, LOWER 26 UNIVERSAL -41213591 1 SPUR STRAPS, LOWER 26 UNIVERSAL SPUR GAFF GUARDS, LEATHER -4160091 1 SPUR GAFF GUARDS, LEATHER SPURS, BUCKINGHAM TREE -419509 1 SPURS, BUCKINGHAM TREE FLIPLINE KIT, 5/8 X 12' STEEL CORE 1 FLIPLINE KIT, 5/8 X 12' -FL5812SK FLIPLINE, STEEL CORE 5/8 X 12' -FL5812S 1 FLIPLINE, STEEL CORE 5/8 X 12' CARABINER, ALUMINUM LARGE D AUTO LOCK -SPYD3 1 CARABINER, ALUMINUM LARGE D AUTO LOCK ROPE GRAB, US STANDARD LANYARD ADJUSTER -RPGRB 1 ROPE GRAB, US STANDARD LANYARD ADJUSTER BAG, GEAR, CANVAS LARGE BLACK -8117 1 BAG, GEAR, CANVAS LARGE BLACK Subtotal $429.00 Shipping $34.40 Tax 0.00 Total $463.40 __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

25th January 2008, 04:59 AM	#41 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: company climbing kits Ozinus, You relate supplying climbers with gear to people working in offices. That's a pretty far stretch just for ya to make a connection... And, actually, I know a couple who DO take their computers to work, and to home, etc. They're called LAPTOPS...... they need their own stuff, so they take it with them where they go. You mention, "At the end of the day if you own the company and the profits are yours you should not expect anyone making you money to buy for themselves." It isn't like my workers are slaves you know... yes, I'm making money, but THEY are making money from me! I don't need to baby them about their personal finances. If they can't manage to save their own money, to purchase their equipment accordingly, it's not up to me to hold their hand and make it happen. That's like saying, okay, I used to work for CVS pharmacy, so since they say i need to wear a specific type of shirt and pants and shoes, that they need to buy the stuff for me. No! they say look, this is how you need to present yourself to work with us, and I need to go out and buy the shoes, pants and shirt to meet that standard. You can't just use some blanket statement to apply to every situation because you think that "one size fits all". It doesnt work that way in the real world. I just get the feeling that you've spent too much time "managing" and not much time "doing". Or if you did, that it was 15 years ago you you aren't still familiar with it is all. I said as much in the last post and you didn't even bother to deny it. Let's just stick to a couple things here, we're attacking eachother's OPINIONS...not eachother. And if someone attacks something you say, and you don't like it, stay on the subject... don't try to off-source the subject and think it's gonna apply. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703