3/4" bull rope

TGCIII

its time to replace bull rope and i thought i might get some insight from the folks that stay current! last time, i went with 3/4" stable braid and i liked it till i started milking and haven't stopped since. i hate to buy a spool of rope that i haven't used before but i've got to do something different again this time. WHAT ARE U USING FOR A BULL ROPE AND ARE U HAPPY WITH IT?

newguy18

stable braid,its what my boss gets me.However since i do mostly crotch rigging,i used to have 3/4" treemaster,i liked it,but you have to try out differnt ropes for yourself.

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FlashD

We use polyester double braid from New England lines in 1/2" and 5/8" and sta-set, also from New England in 3/4" and 1". I love them. They knot really well, are very strong and have just the perfect anount of strech. Great lines.

TGCIII

thanks for the input

Cole

yale double esterlon is the shit samson stuffs pretty good too, 3/4 and 1'' are over rated........they knot well ???where the fck did u get that from im an arborist, indstrial rope access, rigger and dogman all by trade and theres some pretty amazing 5/8 lines on the market these days unless your rigging 1+ton peices day in day out, which i doubt 3/4 and 1'' are more a pain than anything else, it also depends on the sorts of rigging you do static/dynamic and the style of how u rigg

TGCIII

all bullshit aside, on typical day, true blue goes back and forth between climbing and rigging without a second thought. i been using it for years but someday's blue just doesn't quite measure up to what i've got in mind and i can't make myself use a rope that the core slides around in and feel comfortable with it. the last time i used esterlon, it was twisted 3 strand and good rope for the time. thats probably the way i'm going for those non-typical days!

kiwi_tree_steve

im using my old climbing rope, 1/2 Samson arbormaster gold.

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FlashD

I was more referring to the 1/2" and 5/8" lines knotting well. We've only used the 3/4" line 3 times over the past two years and use the 1" for slings, not rigging lines. We were dropping about 2,000lb to 3,000 sections on the 3/4". Also, relatively speaking, I found the 3/4" to knot very well for its size, better that I figured a line of its size would knot. 80% of the time, we use the 1/2" line, the 5/8" maybe 19%. It's extremely rare that we use anything larger. I was just throwing it out there as the topic of this thread is "3/4" bull rope"

TGCIII

flash thanks for ur input on the 3/4" rope discussion. also, i admire ur spelling and ur ability to complete one sentence at a time. it makes understanding english, so much easier!

FlashD

Hey, I haven't been in college for 6 years for nothing. I hope it was helpful.

stirmantrees

3/4 stable braid. i'll take a spool any day.

rbtree

Really? Is that because you rig out a lot of huge live oak limbs? Or big trunk wood?

Here in the PNW, we do have big trees, but, since I got my 2nd ever 3/4 inch DB, I rarely use it. In fact, I seldom use the 9/16th line, and don't even have a 5/8th. We use True Blue, and 1/2 inch double braid for most rigging. And, for work such as lifting or pulling (or suspending entire leads, trees, I have jacketed spectra line, which is awesome. 19,000 tensile at 9/16th, and can safely be used at less than 5-1 SWL ratios.......over and over again.


Large heavy lines are great when you're rigging big stuff, but are too bulky and heavy for routine work use.

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rbtree

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That's mighty studly! I don't think I've ever negative blocked anything over 1200 lb. Even that will be extremely hard on the rigging, or the climber, unless the rope handler is danged good, and there's room to let the load run.

You'd best have a rigging sling and block rated at 40,000 lb, as the peak forces could hit that level in a heartbeat if you really were dropping 3000 lb into them. Further, the tree danged well better be beefy and structurally sound.

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TGCIII

thats sounds like the rope i'm looking for. i really only use a bull rope for hanging trees in another tree close by or if i need to pull a heavy back leaner that is more than i feel comfortable pulling with a 3/4 ton 4 wheel drive truck. true blue will hold it if my dodge truck will pull it. the next step for me, is a dump truck with a full chipper box and thats where the bull rope comes in. anyway thanks for the info and i enjoy ur youtube videos. dude pissing out of the tree is priceless. u can't call urself a treeman if u haven't spent enough time in one to have to piss at least once. kinda like laying down in the bed at night after a big tree and ur still swaying, u gotta love it!

stirmantrees

i wouldnt say i rig out alot of heavy live oak limbs (like every day) but i do my fair share for sure. throughout the year that is. we do alot of pulling with equipment as well.
and its pretty easy, on a large live oak removal to reach 2000 pounds really quick and yes, it better be structurally sound. usually its large limbs cut right back to the trunk. Live oaks have excellent structure most of the time that allow for this.

i suppose one of my limitations is a lack of abundance of money. so i go from 1/2 inch lines right to 3/4 inch lines. actually never owned a 5/8 or 9/16 and i am interested in this jacketed spectra, sounds awesome.
you are right though, most trees do call for a 1/2 inch line.
i have just gone through my 2nd double braid and will get a 3rd soon.


maybe its a tough guy thing

rbtree

Anyone wanting line should call my bud Ben at Dantrawl Fisheries & Industrial Supplies. Tell him Roger sent ya. They buy huge volumes of line from Puget Sound Ropes as they supply all kinds of gear for our fishing industry...they are awesome splicers as well.

Ben can get Samson, but his best prices are on PS rope. They don't make any arbo climb lines

Their poly double braid is very good and similar to Samson. The coating adds to the cost, of course. The double braid spectra core, poly sheath is called DS Composite and is similar to Amsteel ll by Samson. 9/16th was 1.12 a foot 18 months ago, I think.

1/2" DB, coated, is about .60 a foot, a lot cheaper than competing lines....

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stirmantrees

thanks rb.

my uncle owns miami cordage and they make all kinds of rope, rigging, etc, for cranes, boats, etcl. he was telling me years ago about that new kind of rope that was coming out. i think it is or was called dyneema style rope. looked expensive at the time but out here having lighter stronger ropes the ticket.

by the way. love the vids.

FlashD

It's usually large cottonwoods. Any time we take anything that big, it's out of a bucket, never climbing. My boss, Charly Pottorff, is pretty big on taking everything as large as we can. I'll try to take a 6' long by 4' diameter piece and he tells me to double it maybe even triple it. Sometimes it worries the guys on the ground, but I trust our equipment, New England makes some great products.

Eric Frei

Dang that rope looks good and strong! 5/8 is 24,600 lbs or 11,158 kgs breaking.

I take it you can get an eye splice?

Hey Roger, out of interest what would a 600' roll of that cost today?

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rbtree

Of 9/16th, abt $675.....5/8 ?? maybe $800....

Doubt you'd want to pay the shipping.

Remember, HMWPE static line isn't for normal rigging applications, due to it's near zero stretch.

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NeTree

5/8" Stable-Braid. 'Cus anything bigger is just bragging.

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