Tree protection controls a new approach

derwoodii

Hey hi new member been lurking reckon its time to contribute.

For ten years tried to get support for this idea. Nup no go, been told its un realistic never get up. So need your feed back, is it?

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dov

I actually kinda like the idea, but can see a couple of issues with it's execution:

1. The councils won't want to lose any control and will have to provide inspectors to keep tabs on the tree professionals. That would would either need to be charged to the tree profs making it too expensive or to the landowner making them pay twice for what they receive now.
2. Secretly we ALL LOVE TAKEDOWNS.

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Apocalypsse

Looks like an interesting idea but I do have to agree that its unrealistic in this current time, maybe in the future but its extremely unlikely any council would go for that.

Eric Frei

I'm against it, flat out.

Any intervention into a free market system will bring issues.

What is wrong with the system now?

Tree is protected .... so home-owner rings council and finds out the tree is protected, but they want to remove it. The home-owner either has a council officer inspect the tree (some councils do this but not all) or gets an arborist report (some councils have criteria for this).

The deciding level of education is the AQF existing system, why re-invent the wheel. why allow over 600 councils to have all there little BS systems when there is a national system? Councils need to pin their level of qualification to the existing system. Home-owners then need to find people with the correct qualifications, simple.

I can go about my work not worrying about any boys clubs, kick backs, greasy back room deals, intervening organisations or any other grub skimming off the top of my business.

The free market place determines the cost of the report, like any other profession. If you need an engineers report, you ring around and engage an engineer for one, why do we have to be different?

I already don't like councils inspecting home-owners trees, that isn't really on. And in the poll of this thread many think the same. I have the experience and education why does some govt employee take my job? do they do that for other professions? Nope, they just check up or get a second opinion.

Should councils (govt) assess private trees | poll | Vote Yes or No

As far as unqualified people doing the works go, that again can be controlled by councils stating the work has to be done by a Level 3 arborist etc, simple.

This is all not new and being reasonably well handled already elsewhere.

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derwoodii

Alright thanks all, the feed back is what I wanted. Yeah its a bit far out and likely not to get up, but 10 years back I was trying to find any better way than my local City employing a goon to drive around pinging tree contractors.
I reckon we are agreeing that, councils should leave the tree assessment to the blokes who know it best, Pro contractor's. The education stuff is just bonus if needed choose national standard. To tired to think clear now will pick this up later. Any way ta again.
Arrg the grease in my eyes makes readin that veri hard....

Eric Frei

You are on the right track ... just need to plug into existing systems and cut out the middle man.

Middle man = council lists, organisations, etc. anything that stands between you and your customer is a grubby leech middle man.

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derwoodii

I guess my frustration with the current system is. Go ask any TPO or VPO council its % of approved permits "I dun this" its very high 90% to 99% high. So why make an old lady jump all these hoops apply fill in a detailed doc pay a fee $30 to $100 per tree work it though admin then send an officer to go look to say. Yes yup its a goner then leave her to worry about that while she chases down a contractor.
I,m saying yes protect trees but let the good tree blokes make the on-site informed decision when they do the quote. Sure a bit open to corruption er perhaps no more than some councils. But the few bad guys will still sox,em money & run. The bad owners will find a way, drill n fill or a Sunday morning hire saw. So these laws controls and all the costs capture only the honest citizen and in the end the numbers say 99% of their request are fair dinks.

Thanks all a dream just let me dream.

Eric Frei

If your electrical is crook, or even your plumbing do you expect the council to come and inspect and advise or do you get a suitable contractor? You know the answer.

So why is it that when a rate payer owns a tree on their private land the council has to inspect it?

The lady should lodge an application for works on a protected tree supported with an arborists report. The council should after that event either request more info, view for themselves or make the decision.

To allow contractors to make the call out there will open the largest can of corruption worms you ever seen, and to think that wont happen you are a dreamer.

How many tree work companies now engage level 5 arborists on staff and pressure that staff member to write removals? A dang lot of them and the arborists that write the reports know it. They know they have to feed those machines and that tree crew. It may not be the case in every company but I assure it's very common and I know that for a fact because I get asked often enough to do it and I refuse. Removal is the final option, after all avenues have been explored and debating removal now over long term TLC should be part of the report with reasoning as to why the tree should come out now.

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