To TOP or Not to TOP

Done it

Worse than palms, I'm forever doing them. Sold here as Leylandi, Castlewellan Gold, grow fast. These were 10 years old.

Best pic is 5.

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arbdog

dg is wright. I am not saying one growing singly on its own in a feild isnt nice. they have normally been abliterated by the home owner or a gippo and do look a eyesore. But anyway I still dont like them so there skanky and i dont like poplar either so there skanky too!

nicholas saale

I seen five live oak,water oak trees top to day by a person that does no a thing about trees

Eric Frei

2nd time this week the islanders door knocked my street!

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dguntertrees

You probably could've got a good deal there Ekka!
Maybe they could have dropped some leaves in your pool too?!

Eric Frei

Rogues, hacks, cowboys, door knockers and even just dumb ole everyday tree loppers do this sort of crap.

They're unconsciencable, they care not for you or the tree just their dollar today.

This pic is who the victims were. Pics are out of my mobile phone hence the poor quality but the message is there.



And here's what's left of the spotty gum, do note that the reason for this pruning was the guy who lives at the house at the back didn't like the tree over his roof, so he sourced and organised the "legend tree workers" for the Friary.

The dark lower trunk is weeping from stem canker, a fungal pathogen that is hitting spotty gums hard this year.


Of course they spiked the prune (more like hack lop job/topping./hatracking garbage) and made sure they spread those pathogens further.


And to the left (just seen in 2nd pic) a poinciana got whacked with the hap-hazard topping so they trimmed that up ... of course more lopping on damaged branches!


So I gave them the bad news, and a quote to finish the job, a removal and stump grind. Yep, year 2008 and this crap is rampant, careful who you trust!

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treevet

Smackdown tree service rowed over there?

Eric Frei

There would be no Aerial rescue if that were the case.

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treevet

"man yer ice axes mates, we're surrounded by sharks"

newguy18

but the smackdown crew aren't hacks,aerial told us so.He's an arboricultural legend guys.

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old schooler

TREE-SURFER

Sick, just sick.

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Jeff Darby

Some councils in Sydney are trying to prevent this sort of thing going on, On the council approval for removal or prune/trim it states only a level 3 Arborist can do this work.
Not much l know,but it's start.Queensland is a definate worry??We all have hacks but QLD seems to be hack central!

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treevet

Your right JayD we all got the hacks.

Eric Frei

Frankly, it makes me sick.

Even before I was an arborist I gave a stuff and didn't do that sort of crap. I went to the library and loaned books etc, didn't have internet till 2004.

In this day and age there's no excuse.

Just today I pull up at a body corp to do a tree assessment and guess what, all the neighbours trees that were hanging over the fence were hacked off, stubs, torn bark etc. Yep, the lawn man did it and the neighbour was not happy. Irony is the Body Corp get me for a report yet lawn man to hack the trees.

I just dont get it, why hire a carpenter to tile your bathroom?

And the worst part is the powers to be dont care, the hacks sport logo's of various associations, licencing and regulation just wont happen so where is the catalyst for change?

What have you got to make change?

Oh, a bunch of OHS BS moulded around incompetent and unqualified hacks who injure themselves and a standard for pruning that no-one reads or enforces. It's a joke.

So the hack can say he worked compliant to OHS also, just violated some AS4373 BS, who is going to do anything about that?

Who is going to do anything about the ole "treelopper" pissing in the customers pocket about their trees? ... "Yeah love, she stuffed (as he scratches his balls) seen a dozen times nowhere near that bad come crashing down." I've heard of these "legends" actually going around giving free advice, giving for instance schools advice on their vegetation management ... they know coz they got 15 years experience being stupid.

Here you go, true recent story, It happens, all the time, read it for yourself, these people ARE NOT NORMAL!

Exposing another shame file

Why do I get so PISSED OFF, coz no-one else gives a shit, the people with power do nothing, the clients dont know better and gravitate to the cheapest fool, and my profession goes down the drain to the lowest common denominator. I honestly always think about leaving to do something else where there's some dignity for all!

You consumers need to change your ways, you also drive this bus, you want hacks and cheap useless bastids then whine and carry on when you get shafted, so snap out of it and DEMAND QUALIFIED PEOPLE and SEE THEIR QUALIFICATIONS. Mine are all on my website, nothing to hide, so are lots of videos, pics etc throughout this forum.

I even see many of the "consultants" websites never show who their arborist is, what papers he's got etc .... just see common blow it out your backside BS there. Stuff like "our highly qualified arborists will use their xray vision and magic carpet to bla bla bla" ... what a load of rubbish.

When you know your stuff, proud of your education you dont hide it. I repeat, forget the powers to be ... they dont give a shit, sadly it's up to us which includes you the consumer.

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phill ellison

we got the same problem here in Wellington too Ekka with Samoans church group going round door knocking , over towering old folks, topping trees badly, and robbing money of them crazy. Some tree are protected from the council, and all they get is a smack n on the hand and that bloody crazy , i will get some photo of a once a nice copper beech been hack by them

treevet

You know when I moved to this town 25 years ago all the trees were well on the way to becoming exactly 55 feet tall. That was the heighth of the bucket truck of the hillbilly tree service I wore out and caused to disappear. Not by low prices, just by telling people the truth and following up with literature (there were no websites to send one to then).

The way to effect faster change than that though, is to take some of your spare time from the tavern or golf course, etc. and sit on your local UFB (urban forestry board) and if you don't have one then start one. You'd be amazed how people take notice when you have credentials, know what you are talking about and it not only doesn't cost them anything but, will actually save them big tax or replacement $ (private trees) when you are giving your valuable time away with no ulterior motive other than your affection for trees.

treevet

A topped beech offends me more than any other tree with internodals for some reason. They rarely sprout and decay spreads like wildfire as they do not compart. very well.

spartek

I get sick and tired of telling my customers about the horrors of topping. Recently I have made some copies of topping literature and I simply ask them to read over the info ,and then we can discuss why "I WILL NOT TOP YOUR TREE". MY customers are highly impressed and they imediately respect your point of view .The more we inform peolple of this so common practice of "butchery" ,the better chance we have to reverse the trend.

newguy18

I'm one of 2 tree guys who won't top trees.The other one did until i subbed out to him on a large dead oak removal[he's afraid to climb,bucket baby]He asked my thoughts on it and i taught him proper pruning and explained to him why topping is bad,he dropped it then and there,i reffered him here but he hasn't registered yet.Its only one out of 12 tree guys in my area,but its an improvement.

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spartek

Well Spoken NG, and this crap you hear , "Well, the customer gets what they want cause they're payin for it ". Give me a break , would you cut down your customer's neighbors tree cause they paid you to. NOT!!! We definately have our work cut out for us though, teaching these hacks the right way.

newguy18

You can call me Bill,everyone else does.

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spartek

OK Bill , you can call me Pat

treevet

Just don't call me late for supper haha

newguy18

Okay Pat,where you at in ohio?I used to live in akron,in the kenmore/summit lake area.I was about 50 blocks from firestone park.

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spartek

Im in Goshen ,Oh . Thats about 25 miles east of Cincinnati

treevet

very nice area

newguy18

I have an uncle in wellborn.Not to mention family all over ohio and pennsylvania.

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treevet

when you comin up for a visit?

spartek

Hey Treevet , wheres most of you work and do you get out on the east side of town much?