Eric thats nice. Now please understand that i am not going to get snarky BUT you know as well as i do as soon as someone F***s up and gets hurt using spikes on palms, Workcover is going to come in and say why were you not following work practises as set out in the standard?? this will then lead to absolute mountains of paperwork and extreme headaches,nashing of teeth and tearing of hair,with no-one to blame but ourselves and more than likely a fine of some sort.I dont want to be a wet blanket but it is the truth.