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Old 23rd April 2008, 02:12 PM   #53 (permalink)
Ekka
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Default Re: Knife in a Gun Fight - Self Defense in this Millennium

Now Australia's imprisonment rate is

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The imprisonment rate of 153 prisoners per 100,000 adult population
Source: Prison Statistics Australia

And we dont have conscription.

Maybe if the monies spend on armed forces was halved and spent on special cops instead it would be better.

But a rate like this
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3,042 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males
and not being dealt with is a system and country in denial.

Now our indigenious prison rate is way over the top too.
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With an imprisonment rate of 1,888 prisoners per 100,000 adult Indigenous population (a 5% increase
on the 2002 rate), Indigenous persons were 16 times more likely than non-Indigenous persons to be
in prison (15 times more likely in 2002). The highest Indigenous imprisonment rate of 2,744 prisoners
per 100,000 adult Indigenous population was recorded in Western Australia.
However they try not to lock them up so much anymore, they try to have their own communities and Elders policing them, many systems are trying to break the mould on this. Do realise a lot of our Aboriginals live in dedicated "alcohol free" communities. There's serious efforts made however the crux of the matter is they commit crime, but not shooting people, more like burglary, fighting and rape. If you lock them up they hang themselves leading to huge and expensive enquirires into "Arboriginal Deaths in Custody". But do realise, these people were only discovered 230 years ago, mistreated till 1950's region.

That means their heritage, their culture has not adjusted. They are hunters and gatherers by nature but now have a complex system of laws and monetary values to deal with. The feeling of loss would be very present and Australias previous govt was in high denial of recognizing their grievances. It is being addressed, no matter how you look at it in 1770 the Brits stole their land, in a system of first come first serve they were here first.

I too agree that conscription, a base of at least 3 years of forces training, ripping these bums from their inept parents and instilling some value, some skills, some purpose and respect wont do them harm. Our adolescent male suicide rate is high, young men are a little lost in todays world and army etc other than the first 3 months of hard core training does a lot for a person.

When the youngsters F'up the MP's and the military deal with them, that alone is far more worrying than the civil system which would prohibit a month of toilet scrubbing and midnight guard posts.

Australia still has a lot of guns around, hand guns (pistols) were always sort of "banned", but beyond the argument of "it's not guns that kill people but people" then the USA needs to look closely at the people it has bred.
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